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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

A car on fire has been driven at the main terminal building at Glasgow Airport, police have confirmed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257194.stm

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Whats next? Shocked

Cherskiy · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject:

That'll no doubt mean the end of drop-off points at airport terminals in the UK - or they'll be moved even further away from the terminal buildings.
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gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject:

Not necessarily. If they put concrete bollards outside the entraces this would stop this kind of incident.
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Cherskiy · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject:

They already had them at Glasgow, if memory serves.
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gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

2 People have now been arrested. One of the mens clothes were on fire and was quickly put out and he was handcuffed.

I can now imagine tanks will return to Gatwick and the police are swarming the back of Gatwick where the plane spotters are.

gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject:

Cherskiy · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:

At Glasgow, IIRC, with a jeep you could probably easily get through one of the crash gates on Inchkeith Road and straight onto the GA apron, and then within a minute or so onto the main apron (or the runway).

I know it would be easy enough at Newcastle - at one point there's just a flimsy metal pole barrier between a road and the south side aprons.
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gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject:

gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject:

The only good thing is that these attackers seem to be almost comically incompetent. Thanks god most terrorists are not the sharpest tools in the box. Laughing

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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

Third time unlucky. Shocked

So looks like they can't defend themselves as the public seemed to restrain them.

gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject:

Cherskiy · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:

Let's see how the shiny new Home Secretary deals with this 'new' terrorist threat....
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Cherskiy · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

Edinburgh Airport has just closed to all vehicles, which are now being turned away by police at the roundabout on the A8. Flights are not affected, but it's a long walk from the A8 to the terminal building.... especially for anyone turning up in a taxi with baggage!
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The good news is nobody was injured thank goodness.

gfloyd · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject:

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6257606.stm

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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

iknewdavidjacobsmum · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 336

I got really P'Od about the July 7 attack. Got emails from people in other parts of the world expressing sympathy.I replied Just how do you think this country would have survived if Parents/ Grandparents had hidden during WW2?
I believe we should "Carry on Regardless"
And nobody has tried to blow up my car which is old and knackered and I could do with the money. Plot against skint Brits here.

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Cherskiy · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:45 am Post subject:

As usual, we'll have the same old 'increased security' at airports and other choke points for a couple of weeks, until some other news story takes over - providing there's no further attacks of this nature. Tanks and armed police may reassure Joe Public when he's jetting off to Malaga and make good copy on TV, but they do practically zero to stopping terrorists - all that happens is the public suffer more security checks and the crazies just move onto a different target.

Despite assurances that 'we will not let terrorists never win', they do in a limited fashion - take yesterday for instance. The story dominated Snooze 24's output (the only other item to be broadcast between 1515 and 2230 as far as I could see was the weather). The usual links with Iraq and discussions about 'if we pull our troops out this year will the threat recede' got going on the radio phone-in shows last night. Interviews with politicians (including the PM this morning) included a similar theme. Announcements of increased security (and ergo reduced public access, time taken to board flights, etc.) were made. All of the above is a limited victory to any Al-Qaeda-linked terrorist, because their aims (Iraq) is being discussed, more members of the public are inconvenienced and the only thing on the news is this story.

I'm waiting for a campaign against motorway bridges and rail bridges to start - if I wanted to cripple the country easily and with less risk of detection, that's where I would start. Detonate a huge car bomb under say one of the supports under Spaghetti Junction, or a bridge taking the M1 over a river, for instance. It wouldn't necessarily have to destroy the bridge, just damage or weaken it. Release a video to the newsies and watch what happens - Snooze24 would do their work for them. Do that in a few choice spots over the entire road and rail network and you've achieved much more than trying to burn down an airport.

If I was a nutter and had access to a SAM (nothing fancy, just a SA-7 'Strela' would do - there must be lots of ex Russian/Warpac examples for sale in the illegal arms trade), I'd be standing about two miles away from an airport, and target an aircraft as it was climbing out (where it was most vulnerable). You don't need to be loitering around the perimeter fence to down an airliner.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the crazies were plotting such things right now.
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iknewdavidjacobsmum · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 336

Your comments are all too right. I dropped a bottle of Spanish Brandy at the baggage reclaim at Gatwick a couple of years ago. Smell or what? But there was nowhere I could put it as there are no bins. Just had to leave it and tell people I was not an Alki.
Don't think they believed me.

SantaFefan · Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:48 am Post subject:

interesting quote from the New York Times this morning..

"As an American living in Britain, this is certainly a different life and a different perspective, to live with this kind of daily threat. But the Brits know who they are.
I know people who lived through the London Blitz. “Carry On” is indeed their motto. Do they understand that these extremists are doing this because of the war in Iraq? Yes, I think they do, Blair lost his job over it, despite his protestations to the contrary. They fervently want their troops home now, but see their involvement as an consequence of American hegemony.
But I saw an an Islamic extermist cleric stating after the July 7 bombings in London, “We will bury the British people”. I laughed when I heard this. No, you won’t. You’ve no idea who you’re dealing with."

iwarburton · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland

When the IRA's bombing campaign was in progress in the 70s and 80s, the group had a clear objective--to force the reunification of the Six Counties of Ulster with the Republic. We may not have wished it to achieve this objective but we knew what it was.

The rationale behind the current attacks appears far more diffuse and less discernible. Is it confined to revenge for the Iraq war? If so, how much revenge will need to be exacted to satisfy its ringleaders? What about the fact that many at Glasgow Airport may well have been against what was done and is still being done in Iraq? But the atrocities of 9/11 well pre-dated Iraq. So is there another underlying cause?

Unfortunately I think the terror threat will last for the rest of my life and possibly that of most people reading this.

Ian.

Cherskiy · Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:06 pm Post subject:

gfloyd · Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

Mark Mayhew · Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2897

I took a tube from the City to the West End today.

It was good to see British Transport Police actually walking through the tube train and looking at the passengers and their luggage/belongings (carefully).

In this day and age this should be the norm and not just because of the highten current security situation.

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

This terror threats were predicted along before the IRA campaigns. It's not new these middle east extremists are going to attack other countries apart from theirs.

Behind Geddon's Wall · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:39 am Post subject:

If the terror threat was so high, how come there were no coppers outside the country's largest coal fired power station?
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Cherskiy · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject:

Because the crazies haven't attacked one yet?
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gfloyd · Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:04 pm Post subject: 'Same Men Behind Attacks'

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273332,00.html

The attempted attacks on London's West End and Glasgow airport were allegedly carried out by the same men, Sky sources say.

"We have had it confirmed by sources that the two men who attempted to bomb London, it would appear, are the same two people who allegedly attempted to bomb Glasgow airport," said Marshall.

"In other words after that failed attempt they quickly went up to Glasgow and arranged this.

"I also understand that Scotland Yard were pretty much on their trail already."

Marshall said police were also already watching one of the eight arrested by police investigating the two bomb plots.

"The domestic security services were already aware of one of those arrested," he said.
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iwarburton · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland

I used to be, amongst other things, a NHS medical staff personnel officer.

It's quite surreal to imagine any former colleagues who may still work in this field now finding themselves in the front line of the fight against terrorism.

Ian.

gfloyd · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:

Cherskiy · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject:

I still work for the NHS - when I go back to work on Friday should I be suspicious of some of my colleagues? Shocked

Anyway, I thought doctors were supposed to abide by the Hippocratic Oath - thou shalt do no harm. Clearly that's no longer true - apparently it is hardly used nowadays, more's the pity.
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gfloyd · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject:

Terror Threat Level Reduced To 'Severe'
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Britain's terror threat level has been reduced from 'critical' to 'severe'.

That means a terror attack is no longer imminent - but is still likely at any time.

"It still means the authorities believe it is highly likely that there will be an attack at any moment," Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said.
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Earlier, an Anglican churchman working in Iraq said he may have been given a chilling warning about the attacks over two months ago.

Canon Andrew White said the message was delivered in a conversation with a terrorist he called the 'Devil'.

During it the man - who turned out to be a senior al Qaeda figure - used the phrase "those who cure you will kill you".
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So severe means "highly likely that there will be an attack at any moment"?

And "critical" is worse than "severe". What could that be? The end of civiliation as we know it? Rolling Eyes

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273642,00.html
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iwarburton · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland

Some of the distinctions used in assessment of the terrorist threat seem a bit vague to the person on the Clapham omnibus but may have a bearing on the level of resources being directed at the response.

For example, as someone said yesterday, how many times a year can you cancel all leave for key staff?

Ian.

John W · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 3367 Location: Warwickshire, UK