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Mark Mayhew



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Are Too Many Shows On Radio Pre-Recorded Reply with quote

Why are so many of the Shows on Radio 2 Pre-Recorded.

SLS's with Steve Wright, Pick of The Pops with Dale Winton, Sounds of the 60's with Brian Matthew are clearly pre-recorded.

Why is this.

I think Shows should be pre-recorded only as a matter of last resort. I would much prefer to listen to shows which are presented live.

What do others think? Perhaps you don't care one way or the other.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark,

Some Pre-recorded show like SOTS and the Dale Winton one are ok, what I don't like is when a show clearly pre-recorded but it is broadcast as "live" asking for listeners to text or call in etc. If a show is pre-recorded it should say so at the beginning
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Are Too Many Shows On Radio Pre-Recorded Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
Why are so many of the Shows on Radio 2 Pre-Recorded.

SLS's with Steve Wright, Pick of The Pops with Dale Winton, Sounds of the 60's with Brian Matthew are clearly pre-recorded..


Probably cost. Not only might it cost more money to get presenters into the studio at awkward times of the day or night (or weekend) but in some cases like POTP or SOTS it doesn't really matter anyhow. And it's no different in that respect to TV production is it?

Of course, technical support costs additional money on Saturdays and Sundays, so if the Beeb can cut costs (and pay Evans' salary) by a pre-record then it seems sensible.

With Brian Matthew, I guess he's spared the job of getting up really early on a Saturday and doing his show (is it still put together in Birmingham?) because of his age. Pre-recording also allows for retakes and editing as well.

As far as Dale is concerned, he spends much of his year in Florida, so unless he did it over the line it makes`sense to pre-record in batches, which I believe he does. I think (though I may be wrong) that he merely records the links between the tracks, with the programmes then being stitched together in DAR later.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firewirefred-Would Brian Matthew make a number of his shows in one go similar to Dale then.

Indeed what is the postion regarding David Jacobs-he must be about 10 years older than Brian Matthew.

I can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the 'live' stuff we seem to get these days is the presenter asking the listener to text / e-mail on some thought up topic, eg what strange thing have you taken on holiday with you ? (Aled) or what strange things have you seen ? (janice today)..so being 'live' these days is bad news for the listener Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nod-I much prefer live broadcasting to pre-recorded shows.

I have no problem at all with the presenters asking us the listeners to text in on various subject matter-it's all part of the fun/interaction which radio should be all about imho.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding SLS it's either recorded or live. You can sometimes tell when it's recorded, but Steve does foul up sometimes a few weeks later on the afternoon show saying 'he's been somewhere for the weekend a few weeks back'.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've noticed recently that steve has made a point of stating that certain parts of his show were recorded earlier, especially the interviews. just need him to admit tim and janey aren't live in the studio next Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
Nod-I much prefer live broadcasting to pre-recorded shows.

I have no problem at all with the presenters asking us the listeners to text in on various subject matter-it's all part of the fun/interaction which radio should be all about imho.


A lot of it is voice tracked and the production teams add the music in.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seymourwhitebits wrote:
i've noticed recently that steve has made a point of stating that certain parts of his show were recorded earlier, especially the interviews. just need him to admit tim and janey aren't live in the studio next Smile


You can tell Tim is there on Mondays when the stars are live. You used to tell the some parts where recorded as they used to sound different to the live parts.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

janey was trying to remember the name of the sweets she liked as a kid. they said someone will tell us. i text in with iced gems to see if they would mention it. surprise surprise! not a mention. like pj said before, you can catch him out if you text in.

- see seymour sitting smug as he posts his invoice to reclaim his 10p for a wasted text Laughing -
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seymourwhitebits wrote:
janey was trying to remember the name of the sweets she liked as a kid. they said someone will tell us. i text in with iced gems to see if they would mention it. surprise surprise! not a mention. like pj said before, you can catch him out if you text in.

- see seymour sitting smug as he posts his invoice to reclaim his 10p for a wasted text Laughing -


Did you say " Love the show" at the end of the text? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn it! THATS why they didn't read it out! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Less and less of Radio 3 is live nowadays too.

Quite a change having the proms live at this time because usually the 'Afternoon Concert' and evening's 'Performance on 3' are pre-recorded, and so there's faded out applause, presenter just saying stuff like 'that was a really good performance' etc etc rather than saying anything about the live performance that he ought to have just sat through. It all just comes over as fake.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
Indeed what is the postion regarding David Jacobs-he must be about 10 years older than Brian Matthew.

I can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.


David Jacobs records his show during the week and then takes his team out to lunch afterwards.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess Andy Kershaw won't be live on Radio 3 for a little while now.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess Andy Kershaw won't be live on Radio 3 for a little while now.


Charlie Gillett can cover for him anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was already part of his "problems" I expect, he hasn't been on air at R3 since the shuffle in May which took away his four-nightly show. It's all classical up till 10 now, and then arts programmes tend to take over, then it's the fusion and experimental stuff on Late Junction till about midnight, no room for World Music - I guess nobody was listening to Andy's show Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
Firewirefred-Would Brian Matthew make a number of his shows in one go similar to Dale then.


I doubt it actually, because I get the impression that each music track is playing in his cans whilst he's in the studio. I think the requirement is slightly different to Dale's, though, because Dale can actually pre-record a show devoted to "1963" (for instance) knowing that this can be used again the next time that particular week/year is featured.

I think that SOTS is Brian's only presentation commitment now so devoting one production day is probably within his means.

I don't know where it's produced though. In the old days it was made in the radio studios at Pebble Mill but since that (horrible) production centre was bulldozed it could be made at the new place in Birmingham centre.

Or at BH? Maybe John can ask around for us....

Mark Mayhew wrote:
can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.


He used to drop into JV's studio live and offer up a one-line piece of advice didn't he? That clearly indicated that he was in for a pre-record.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfloyd wrote:
Mark Mayhew wrote:
Indeed what is the postion regarding David Jacobs-he must be about 10 years older than Brian Matthew.

I can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.


David Jacobs records his show during the week and then takes his team out to lunch afterwards.

A few years ago, Jeremy Vine used to have David Jacobs come in to his show and give his 'Words of wisdom' on one of the topics that had been debated on his show that day. Jezza used to say that David had come in to 'choose the tracks to be played on his sunday night show' after giving of his wisdom. I've noticed that this seems to have stopped now, anyone know why?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
gfloyd wrote:
Mark Mayhew wrote:
Indeed what is the postion regarding David Jacobs-he must be about 10 years older than Brian Matthew.

I can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.


David Jacobs records his show during the week and then takes his team out to lunch afterwards.

A few years ago, Jeremy Vine used to have David Jacobs come in to his show and give his 'Words of wisdom' on one of the topics that had been debated on his show that day. Jezza used to say that David had come in to 'choose the tracks to be played on his sunday night show' after giving of his wisdom. I've noticed that this seems to have stopped now, anyone know why?


The show could be recorded at a BBC studio closer to where he lives?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
Nod-I much prefer live broadcasting to pre-recorded shows.

I have no problem at all with the presenters asking us the listeners to text in on various subject matter-it's all part of the fun/interaction which radio should be all about imho.


I agree live is much better, I enjoy Terry, Ken, Sarah, Chris etc who are all live and they are skillful enough to present a show without resorting to the interactive level of think of anything the listener can respond to to allow me to fill the hours by just reading out the texts etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nod wrote:
Mark Mayhew wrote:
Nod-I much prefer live broadcasting to pre-recorded shows.

I have no problem at all with the presenters asking us the listeners to text in on various subject matter-it's all part of the fun/interaction which radio should be all about imho.


I agree live is much better, I enjoy Terry, Ken, Sarah, Chris etc who are all live and they are skillful enough to present a show without resorting to the interactive level of think of anything the listener can respond to to allow me to fill the hours by just reading out the texts etc.


If you actually talk about interesting things the listeners will respond. Its the desperate pleading for people to call in or text that sounds like a drowing DJ looking for a liferaft that is off putting.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly all of the "specialist" programmes could be pre-recorded. Whether by that reason or advance planning their playlists usually appear before the show has aired (esp Desmond Carrington, David Jacobs and Malcolm Laycock).

Dermot O'Leary has freely admitted he pre-records his, due to his TV commitments - next Saturday's list is already posted!

The one show which might benefit from such advance working is Elaine Paige's, but then we wouldn't get the relief of someone else presenting when she's off performing somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfloyd wrote:


If you actually talk about interesting things the listeners will respond. Its the desperate pleading for people to call in or text that sounds like a drowing DJ lookinf for a liferaft that is off putting.


Couldn't agree more, Terry, Ken etc do interactive and get responders without as you say.. pleading
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
Nearly all of the "specialist" programmes could be pre-recorded. Whether by that reason or advance planning their playlists usually appear before the show has aired (esp Desmond Carrington, David Jacobs and Malcolm Laycock).

Dermot O'Leary has freely admitted he pre-records his, due to his TV commitments - next Saturday's list is already posted!

The one show which might benefit from such advance working is Elaine Paige's, but then we wouldn't get the relief of someone else presenting when she's off performing somewhere.


Any show that doesn't need to interact with the listener could be pre-recorded, I expect all the specialist programmes are.

Being live does add something to a show which is hard to define, maybe they add some excitement that unpredictable things could happen, and I don't just mean bad. I am disappointed that a show like Dermots show isn't live as we get 'live' groups in the studio which aren't live then. I always finds it strange we also get 'live' concerts which clearly aren't.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are " live " when recorded to a "live" audience. So they call them " live " concerts.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
They are " live " when recorded to a "live" audience. So they call them " live " concerts.


Its good to know the performers were alive when the recording was made Laughing
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mark occomore wrote:
They are " live " when recorded to a "live" audience. So they call them " live " concerts.


Isn't everything live when you record it ? Confused
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gfloyd wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
They are " live " when recorded to a "live" audience. So they call them " live " concerts.


Its good to know the performers were alive when the recording was made Laughing


what about the audience, don't we need to know they weren't all dead ? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nod wrote:
gfloyd wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
They are " live " when recorded to a "live" audience. So they call them " live " concerts.


Its good to know the performers were alive when the recording was made Laughing


what about the audience, don't we need to know they weren't all dead ? Laughing


The problem with not telling the listeners it's live and telling a few jokes at the beginning making it live, people will say it's a taped laughter. This is whats happened on the Lotto show in recent years with no audience really there.
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The problem with not telling the listeners it's live and telling a few jokes at the beginning making it live, people will say it's a taped laughter. This is whats happened on the Lotto show in recent years with no audience really there.


The Wednesday show is a perfect example of that. Because the show comes from "Lottery HQ" (yeah, right it does!) - actually a studio near Gerrards Cross - there's hardly room to swing a cat let alone fit in an audience.

If you listen very carefully to the bit where the balls are released one by one, you can hear that the hoots are cycled between about 5 or 6 samples. One in particular has two loud hoots about 1 second apart, and this is played out every three or four turns.

Quite why they have to pretend there's an audience is anybody's guess. Which makes Channel 5's announcement that it's doing away with Noddies and Walking Establishers in TV news item edits all the more laughable really. Where does it all end?
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gfloyd wrote:
Mark Mayhew wrote:
Indeed what is the postion regarding David Jacobs-he must be about 10 years older than Brian Matthew.

I can't imagine for one minute David Jacobs struggling into the BBC Studios late on a Sunday night.


David Jacobs records his show during the week and then takes his team out to lunch afterwards.



In the days of the old studio David Jacobs used to pop in to Jeremy Vine's studio and they would mention something that had been in the show. David would them make a statement on whatever it was. I think he may well have used that studio as there was a turntable in it and David used to play some vinyl tracks.

Paul Jones definitely used that same studio around 2005 as he came as the JV show was ending the day I visited.

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There is definately a different feel to recorded programmes. I live on my own most of the time (I'm a part time single parent) and, to an extent, Radio 2 fills the lonliness gap. You're never quite sure what's going to happen with a live programme and you know someone's there, chatting away. It's a bit like having family around in other rooms, making a background sound.

Somehow, though. recorded programmes don't meet this need. You know there's nobody there, your friends have gone out leaving a CD playing. It starts to feel lonely again.

I actually got quite depressed in the build up to Christmas last year because of it. Ramsey's programme was dreadful - with no advance details of the ingredients he was going to use, who would realistically be following his recipe in real time? In which case, why broadcast it?? The programme was clearly recorded. The only clue in Wogan's programme that it could have been prerecorded was that Ramsey popped in when he clearly was, erm, "out for lunch"!

I would rather have good Radio communicators that I've never heard of than personalities who don't know how to communicate through the medium - I want Radio 2 to be my friend. But I want that friendship to be there 365 days a year. Is it really unreasonable to contract all of the regulars to broadcast live during the holiday period as part of the Radio 2 deal they get? Perhaps we should have a few more regulars around so the holiday load can be spread accordingly.

I want to spend my festive holiday in the (live) company of people I know and feel to be friends.

I know how difficult it is to produce programmes that sound live when you're actually recording them - I'm a presenter on a hospital radio station and I've tried!

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