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gfloyd
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Behind Geddon's Wall
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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How many did Evans drop? _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | How many did Evans drop? |
I have no idea if he dropped or increased yet.
Its sad that its got to the stage on this board where we cant have any discussion without the same old comments been posted by the usual suspects. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Chris Evans' audience was something like 4.88m last time. That is just a guess. |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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And I expect it's about the same this time. But seeing as people were crowing about Evans 150,000 loss after JW will the same people crow about Wogan's 240,000 loss? |
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iwarburton
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. Is there a way to find out whether audiences for individual programmes are going up or down? I'd particularly like to know this in respect of some of the specialist programmes.
Ian. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Not as such. Its up to the stations to announce individual programme audiences, if they choose to.
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Classic fm has some information on some of their programmes:
Every single weekday programme on Classic FM has grown its audience over the past three months, with morning show presenter Simon Bates the most powerful man on commercial radio. His show now attracts 3.062 million listeners, a rise of 146,000 people on the quarter.
Classic FM’s evening chillout show Smooth Classics At Seven, presented by John Brunning has also seen a surge in listeners, with its audience up by 114,000 people to 1.643 million over the last three months.
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The Alan Titchmarsh show is an obvious rip off copy of Classic fm's Smooth Classics at Seven. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Rajars
Magic's Fox seizes London crown
John Plunkett Guardian Unlimited Thursday October 25 2007
Fox: has increased Magic's breakfast audience by 50% since he took over the slot two years ago
Magic's Neil Fox has leapfrogged Capital rival Johnny Vaughan and Heart's Jamie Theakston and Harriet Scott to become the number one commercial breakfast show in London.
The Magic breakfast DJ helped take Emap's "more music, less talk" station through the barrier of reaching 2 million listeners a week for the first time, and cemented its position as the number one station in the capital, a title it has held for the past three quarters in a row.
Fox had 885,000 listeners each week in the third quarter of this year, 5,000 more than Vaughan and 75,000 more than Theakston and Scott between the hours of 6am and 9am, according to Rajar figures released today.
The victory would have been all the sweeter for the Magic DJ, who lost out in the race to succeed his former colleague Chris Tarrant in the breakfast hot seat at Capital three years ago.
It is the first time Fox has taken the London breakfast show crown. He has increased Magic's breakfast audience by 50% since he took over the slot two years ago.
However, Capital claimed Vaughan remained the number one breakfast host when his show's new slot, between 6.30am and 10am, was taken into account.
Overall, Magic had 2.03m listeners in the capital, up from 1.96m in the previous quarter and 1.64m in the same period last year.
Global Radio's Heart remains in second place among the commercial stations in terms of reach, with 1.95m listeners, up from 1.81m in the previous quarter and 1.71m in 2006.
In terms of audience share in London, Magic and Heart are neck and neck with 6.2% each, unchanged from the previous quarter.
Capital also put on listeners, up to 1.71m from 1.52m the previous quarter and 1.46m the same time last year.
The GCap station reclaimed third place in London in terms of market share from Emap's dance station Kiss, with a 4.7% share of the audience, up from 4.1% the previous quarter but flat year on year.
Kiss had 1.59 million listeners, a 4.3% share of the market. It was up from 1.51m listeners the previous quarter and 1.32m the same time last year.
GCap's Xfm had 557,000 listeners, down 50,000 from the previous quarter but up slightly year on year.
However, the new music station - which has axed DJs from its daytime schedule - saw its share of the audience slump by nearly half, from 2% the previous quarter to just 1.2% in the space of three months.
Global's London talk station, LBC, was also down around 50,000 listeners on the quarter to 586,000. Year on year it was down marginally from 594,000, a 3.1% share.
LBC's talk rival, BBC London, had 518,000 listeners, up 70,000 on the previous quarter, a 1.4% share of the market.
GCap's Choice had 611,000 listeners, up from 500,000 the previous quarter, a 2% share.
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Smooth London Breakfast is really down, but once Graham Dene arrives there will be a battle with four London stations. Still if you were to put likes of Neil Fox or Johnny Vaughan up against Moyles on a national scale they would blast him off the dial.
I would think those loses with Wogan are due to the fact the time he has off, and would say listeners tune out when he's away? I still enjoy Johnnie at breakfast and only can take Wogan as a pinch of salt. |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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iwarburton wrote: | Thanks for the info. Is there a way to find out whether audiences for individual programmes are going up or down? I'd particularly like to know this in respect of some of the specialist programmes. |
Rajar only makes sufficient information public to be used in press announcements, but most of the detailed info is available only to those organisations who pay a (hefty) subscription.
You can obtain more detail my signing up on the website itself. Personally, I couldn't give a hoot - it's all much of a muchness these days, with GCap forcing all of British radio to sound like it's come out of the same jelly-mould!
mark occomore wrote: | I would think those loses with Wogan are due to the fact the time he has off, and would say listeners tune out when he's away? I still enjoy Johnnie at breakfast and only can take Wogan as a pinch of salt. |
"take Wogan as a pinch of salt"??
I think people are turning away from Wogan because he's getting really boring now. The morning-show sparkle has long gone. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="firewirefred"] iwarburton wrote: |
mark occomore wrote: | I would think those loses with Wogan are due to the fact the time he has off, and would say listeners tune out when he's away? I still enjoy Johnnie at breakfast and only can take Wogan as a pinch of salt. |
"take Wogan as a pinch of salt"??
I think people are turning away from Wogan because he's getting really boring now. The morning-show sparkle has long gone. |
Chris Best from Smooth Breakfast North West' would be the ideal replacement. Someone whos not been heard on Radio 2? |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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But is it a GCap station? |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: | And I expect it's about the same this time. But seeing as people were crowing about Evans 150,000 loss after JW will the same people crow about Wogan's 240,000 loss? |
Chris has said on his blog today that his figures are up for this quarter. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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nod
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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excellent, more people realising he's good |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Ian Robinson wrote: | And I expect it's about the same this time. But seeing as people were crowing about Evans 150,000 loss after JW will the same people crow about Wogan's 240,000 loss? |
Chris has said on his blog today that his figures are up for this quarter. |
You read his blog as well? Sheeesh! 10/10 for endurance. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: |
You read his blog as well? Sheeesh! 10/10 for endurance. |
Yes you have been useful in building up my endurance. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: |
Yes you have been useful in building up my endurance. |
Excellent! |
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igs007
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: | And I expect it's about the same this time. But seeing as people were crowing about Evans 150,000 loss after JW will the same people crow about Wogan's 240,000 loss? |
errm...no because for wogan, it was the summer period (Q3) and as mediaguardian rightly explains, many people were on holiday and the summer is traditionally a drop off point in RAJAR's. Also, Moyles dropped a relatively similar amount, so it's none of the rubbish being said about 'oh, Wogan's getting old' etc.
Some people on here have mentioned that the JW/CE change has stabilised since the drop off, showing that people perhaps aren't as bothered who's presenting. Equally, I suppose, there hasn't been a huge rush of people thinking Evans is back on, let's listen. I'm merely suggesting one or the other, take as you wish.
Congrats to Evans on his apparent increase in numbers. Shame he didn't actually say how many up. Still, an increase is an increase, so let him have his moment. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Ian Robinson wrote: | And I expect it's about the same this time. But seeing as people were crowing about Evans 150,000 loss after JW will the same people crow about Wogan's 240,000 loss? |
Chris has said on his blog today that his figures are up for this quarter. |
Good, but who needs figures we knew it already. |
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firewirefred Guest
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Good, but who needs figures we knew it already. |
Who needs figures? Lesley Douglas, that's who! How else is she going to justify employing that idiot to her superiors? |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Jonathan Ross, the BBC's highest-paid presenter, lost 200,000 listeners from his Radio 2 radio show this summer as people tuned in to rival stations, according to official figures.
Ross, who earns £6 million a year, pulled in 3.05 million listeners to his Saturday morning programme between July and September.
This compared to 3.25 million in the previous three months and 3.16 million during the same period last year, according to figures from Radio Joint Audience Research (Rajar).
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So everybody is down except Chris. Chris for breakfast is the only conclusion to draw. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Who's listening to what? *
Terry Wogan, Radio 2 - 7.68m
Chris Moyles, Radio 1 - 6.98m
Today, Radio 4 - 5.91m
Chris Evans, Radio 2 - 5.08m
The Archers, Radio 4 - 4.51m
Simon Bates, Classic FM - 3.06m
Jonathan Ross, Radio 2 - 3.05m
Woman's Hour, Radio 4 - 2.68m
Breakfast, Radio Five Live - 2.29m
Christian O'Connell, Virgin - 1.15m
* Three months to end of September; source, Rajar
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Evens breaks the 5m mark for the first time adding about 200,000 since Q2. Chris Evans had 4.85 million listeners to Drivetime in Q2; Q1 was 4.81m. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Simon Bates for Radio 2? _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | Simon Bates for Radio 2? |
I like Bates Saturday afternoon film music show on Classic fm a lot. Don't see why he needs to be on Radio 2 though? _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Bates is a pompous ass who's ruined Classic FM. Luckily for Radio 2 he's on such a cushy number he's likely to stay there.
Anyway... interesting figures. Do "listen again" figures count towards RAJAR? It's perfectly possible that the 200,000 not listening live to Wogan or Ross are listening later online - after all Radio 2's promotion of it, somebody had better be doing that! |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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If Bates walked through the doors of radio 2 there'd be a mass walk-out by staff (if you want to know why ask some of the production and tech staff who had to work with him at Radio 1 in the days immediately before the infamous Bannister clearout). |
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nod
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Thats assuming they have a mass of staff by then |
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Briant
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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'Chris for breakfast?' Thank goodness I listen to Today on Radio 4, then! |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: | If Bates walked through the doors of radio 2 there'd be a mass walk-out by staff (if you want to know why ask some of the production and tech staff who had to work with him at Radio 1 in the days immediately before the infamous Bannister clearout). |
I can't ask them because I don't know them. Can I ask you instead? |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Interesting to learn that Terry Wogan's audiences have nosedived further yet Chris Evans' leaps to 5.08m. Maybe people are getting pissed off with Wogan's tiresome format and inane drivel?
Wake Up to Wogan has never been the same since the late Paul Walters stepped down. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
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And I am glad the smug, pompous, slimy Simon Bates is doing so well on Classic FM. He's one old dinosaur Radio 2 can do without. Might I suggest Steve Wright moves his afternoon show to Classic FM?
Bates and Wright. Two slimy slugs on the same schedule once again. |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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firewirefred wrote: | But is it a GCap station? |
Yes! Dosn't mean Radio 2 couldn't approach him too present on the network? |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: |
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gfloyd wrote: | Jonathan Ross, the BBC's highest-paid presenter, lost 200,000 listeners from his Radio 2 radio show this summer as people tuned in to rival stations, according to official figures.
Ross, who earns £6 million a year, pulled in 3.05 million listeners to his Saturday morning programme between July and September.
This compared to 3.25 million in the previous three months and 3.16 million during the same period last year, according to figures from Radio Joint Audience Research (Rajar).
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So everybody is down except Chris. Chris for breakfast is the only conclusion to draw. |
Mark Lamar was covering Ross, say no more Chris will take over breakfast and it be on from 7-9.30am.. |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mark, if Chris Evans does succeed Wogan on breakfast then my guess is the whole weekday breakfast schedule will be revised. Chris will probably go out from 6.30 - 9.30am. There's no way the dire and outdated Sarah Kennedy will remain on her stagnated slot once Wogan goes. Keeping her there would be like putting David Jacobs back on weekdays at 1pm! |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | firewirefred wrote: | But is it a GCap station? |
Yes! Dosn't mean Radio 2 couldn't approach him too present on the network? |
But it does mean that it's likely to be the same old boring programming style that comes out of the GCap franchise-format sausage machine, though.
mark occomore wrote: | Mark Lamar was covering Ross, say no more Chris will take over breakfast and it be on from 7-9.30am.. |
Heaven help us all, then! Having that pillock on at breakfast is about the worst possible option, methinks. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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J_ROC72 wrote: | Interesting to learn that Terry Wogan's audiences have nosedived further yet Chris Evans' leaps to 5.08m. Maybe people are getting pissed off with Wogan's tiresome format and inane drivel?
Wake Up to Wogan has never been the same since the late Paul Walters stepped down. |
At least you are consistent. You dont like anyone. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ernie, what were Chris' audience figures last time? Were they 4.88m? I guess some people are a but riled he's managed to exceed their expectations! |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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J_ROC72 wrote: | Ernie, what were Chris' audience figures last time? Were they 4.88m? I guess some people are a but riled he's managed to exceed their expectations! |
2006 Q1 5.00m (Walker)
2006 Q2 4.85m (Evans)
2006 Q3 4.88m
2006 Q4 4.83m
2007 Q1 4.81m
2007 Q2 4.85m
2007 Q3 5.08m _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west.....
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Scott_Nelson Guest
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'm not going to display contempt and nastiness against Chris Evans being a SUCCESS on Drivetime. Congratulations to him, I say. Like I said, Wogan's listening figures are probably down because of the boring clap trap we get every single day. |
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Ian Robinson Site Admin
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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J_ROC72 wrote: | Mark, if Chris Evans does succeed Wogan on breakfast then my guess is the whole weekday breakfast schedule will be revised. Chris will probably go out from 6.30 - 9.30am. There's no way the dire and outdated Sarah Kennedy will remain on her stagnated slot once Wogan goes. Keeping her there would be like putting David Jacobs back on weekdays at 1pm! |
The one flaw in your argument is that Chris is a HUGE fan of Sarah and shares the same production office. I bet he'd be happy to keep her as a lead-in. |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ian Robinson wrote: |
The one flaw in your argument is that Chris is a HUGE fan of Sarah and shares the same production office. I bet he'd be happy to keep her as a lead-in. |
Yes hes always mentioning her. Last night he gave her show far more promotion that if he had just played a trailer for her.
I suspect Chris doesnt want to get up early. If he decides to do breakfast it probably wont be a 6.30am start anyway. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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