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Scott_Nelson
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 Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: £72 for a new passport! |
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Mine is due a renewal. I am NOT paying that price! Daylight robbery!
Shove your passports up your arse, Gordon Brown.
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John W
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Eh? That's not a lot of money for a 10 year document. If you have just one holiday a year that's only 7 quid each  Holiday insurance costs more than 72 quid a year and I get nowt for it. |
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seymourwhitebits
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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£7.20 a year to enable you to travel anywhere in the world seems very reasonable to me.
my digital tacho card costs £38 for 5 years which is £7.60 so you aint doing too bad mate 
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/fees.asp
My passport was only 44 quid when I bought it 10 years ago!
Inflation? That'll be the Government's excuse for these rises. |
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seymourwhitebits
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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granted its a steep rise but from your own link is this page
http://www.ips.gov.uk/passport/about-biometric.asp
these changes have to be payed for, after all its a very different world from 10 years ago.
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I cannot see how the Government can justify these price hikes. Before long it will be 100 quid for a passport. Average Joe can't afford to spend money like that.
Maybe the price hikes is Gordon Brown's way of cutting back on air travel? The higher the passport fees, the lesser people will fly because they won't be able to afford the passport fee hikes. |
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John W
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes but Scott average Joe has Sky, Mobile, car, drinks, costing £300 a MONTH, so 50pence a month for a passport..... |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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The more I hear how much the "average joe" spends on clothes, alcohol, DVDs, taxis, phones etc I doubt it'll affect people wanting to fly off on holiday, even at £100.
Maybe the monies gained from Passport fees helps towards increased security at the airports?
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seymourwhitebits
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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well if average joe cant afford the passport theres not much hope of average joe affording to jet around the world.
dont give gordon any ideas mate cos its only a short step to increasing tax on aviation fuel to make up the short fall in tax from cigarettes cos so many are quitting cos of the ban.
lets hope the new chancellor is a beer drinking, semi-detached home owning, mondeo driving ex trucker then i might get a break in the next budget!!!! 
i wont hold my breath 
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Average Joe probably does have a car, Sky TV, the internet, buys designer clothes and DVDs...within their budget. When you've got to fork out extra on a passport, that's a different matter.
Some people/families budget themselves so as they can afford life's little luxuries. |
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seymourwhitebits
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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i know how you feel though mate. i taxed my 2.0litre car last month at £205. i do 4000 miles a year in it.
my truck does 20000 miles a year, is harder on the road surface, does 12 mpg, belches out more s..s....s..........smoke than dot cotton and yet was taxed this month for £165!!!!!!!!!!!
they must have used the same calculator to price your passport
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John W
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| J_ROC72 wrote: | Average Joe probably does have a car, Sky TV, the internet, buys designer clothes and DVDs...within their budget. When you've got to fork out extra on a passport, that's a different matter.
Some people/families budget themselves so as they can afford life's little luxuries. |
That's doesn't compute, if they can spend £300 a month on 'luxury' items then £72 for a passport (for 10 years) is easily budgetable, especially with a credit card, c'mon Scott this is a rubbish point you're making |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Credit cards? And get myself into DEBT? I don't think so, John - so you can stick your rubbish advice!
As for car tax, mine was due at the end of October. I paid 100 quid for 12 months last year, this year it was 115 quid. A 15 quid price hike. Thanks, Gordon Brown. |
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John W
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| When it is something that you really need, a passport, then £72 is budgetable, especially if each year the hols are a grand and insurance another 100 quid |
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| John W wrote: | | When it is something that you really need, a passport, then £72 is budgetable, especially if each year the hols are a grand and insurance another 100 quid |
And given that a passport lasts for 10 years, so that could be considered as £7.20 per year.
By the way, buy travel insurance by the year as well - much cheaper! |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| John W wrote: | | When it is something that you really need, a passport, then £72 is budgetable, especially if each year the hols are a grand and insurance another 100 quid |
Most people have to save up for their annual holiday abroad. As passport renewal at that price is gross inconvenience. |
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John W
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| J_ROC72 wrote: | | John W wrote: | | When it is something that you really need, a passport, then £72 is budgetable, especially if each year the hols are a grand and insurance another 100 quid |
Most people have to save up for their annual holiday abroad. As passport renewal at that price is gross inconvenience. |
Nah, Joe has 10 years to save £72 for his passport, just a year to save for his £899 holiday. The passport is budgetable especially if he's also spending £300 a month on luxuries  |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| If Joe is on a budget, is saving for a holiday and doesn't spent money on luxuries (because he can't afford to) then the cost of a new passport would be a financial strain on him. Joe might only be able to save a tenner a week for his holiday. |
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Rachel
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps the increases in Passport Charges is part of an integrated green policy of discouraging "average Joe" from flying anywhere. Hence saving the planet. Yeah right! Of course the real reason is that socialist Governments don't want you to go abroad at all. It won't be long before we have Government sponsored "Passport Charge Busting Holidays" with a weekend by the sea in a damp B & B, a stick of rock and picture of you taken on the seafront holding a ferret, all thrown in for less than the price of a passport! Thanks Gordon. They'll be telling us how to live next! |
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| John W wrote: | | Nah, Joe has 10 years to save £72 for his passport, just a year to save for his £899 holiday. The passport is budgetable especially if he's also spending £300 a month on luxuries |
And even with the recent increases in air ticket costs, what you lose on the cost of passport price increases you gain on air travel costs. I've made 5 international return flights so far this year and it's never been cheaper. My two overseas holidays each year cost only a few hundred pounds for each of us all-in, so even at the new price the cost of passports won't make things more expensive overall.
It's all a game of swings and roundabouts, really!
BTW - I don't say for one minute that low cost air travel is economically or environmentally sustainable - I'm commenting only on the relative costs of things. |
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Briant
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Quote from Rachel '...socialist Governments don't want you to go abroad..'
Ah, so that's why 80% of Americans don't have passports. I didn't realise America was a socialist republic, though I do know New Labour is anything but socialist given the ever widening gap between the rich and the poor. |
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gfloyd
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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With IDS cards on the way plus passport fees, it will all add up.
Good news for unproductive civil servants though. They must think Christmas has come early.
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Of course the real reason is that socialist Governments don't want you to go abroad at all. |
 You have to laugh. We've had a tory government for the last 10 years - how you can call the Blair/Brown regime "Socialist" is a puzzle really! Such is life.... |
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gfloyd
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| firewirefred wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | | Of course the real reason is that socialist Governments don't want you to go abroad at all. |
You have to laugh. We've had a tory government for the last 10 years - how you can call the Blair/Brown regime "Socialist" is a puzzle really! Such is life.... |
You would not have seen the huge expansion of the public sector under the Conservatives. I'm not talking about front line NHS staff BTW before you ask. I am talking about the plethora of unproductive admin jobs that are now rampant in the public sector.
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | You would not have seen the huge expansion of the public sector under the Conservatives. I'm not talking about front line NHS staff BTW before you ask. I am talking about the plethora of unproductive admin jobs that are now rampant in the public sector. |
There's that or Thatcher-style dole queues I suppose. And don't we need loads of people to keep governments supplied with all those checks and statistics? That started way before 1997. |
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There's that or Thatcher-style dole queues I suppose. |
No, there is the private productive sector.
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Rachel
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| firewirefred wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | | Of course the real reason is that socialist Governments don't want you to go abroad at all. |
You have to laugh. We've had a tory government for the last 10 years - how you can call the Blair/Brown regime "Socialist" is a puzzle really! Such is life.... |
America is the most socialist country on the planet, the people and the Governments there ( both versions) just don't know it because the indoctrination they call their education system imparts the conviction in everyone that they are free to live the American way.
Briant's comment about 80% of them not having a passport underlines that.
They do of course have an all powerful minority macro-capitalist sub-culture but don't we all. It's the golden rule. Those with the gold make the rules.
I think you've forgotten what a proper Tory Government is like. Blair and Brown may talk like Conservatives but they didn't, haven't and will never, do like Conservatives...... |
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Briant
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| ernie, I refuse to have an IDS card. I don't like Ian Duncan Smith! Or ID cards either! |
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firewirefred
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| Rachel wrote: | | America is the most socialist country on the planet, the people and the Governments there ( both versions) just don't know it |
Their constitution has a Clause 4 in there somewhere? ("From each according to his ability; to each according to his need"). Oh yes, you're right!
| Rachel wrote: | | I think you've forgotten what a proper Tory Government is like. |
Oh no I haven't. Believe me... I haven't. The experience is indelible.
| Rachel wrote: | | Blair and Brown may talk like Conservatives but they didn't, haven't and will never, do like Conservatives...... |
Thankfully. |
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Briant
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| Now don't forget that any county bumpkin can grow up to be President, as long as he has zillions of dollars and the war machine behind him and says 'God bless America' on cue. Or auto-cue. |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I might purchase a fake passport with the name Mohamed Nelson. |
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John W
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| J_ROC72 wrote: | | I might purchase a fake passport with the name Mohamed Nelson. |
That won't get you far, it is spelt Mohammed
You haven't got much right on this thread Scott, eh |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Mohammed, Mohamed, Muhamed, Mahamed...there are DIFFERENT ways to spell the name. The above is how some guys have spelled the name on benefit application forms I have processed in the past. |
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You mean you move a mountain of money to Mohammed/Mohamed Scott?  I used to teach lots of Mohammeds, the Ladybird book of electrics, (without Ohms law), electronics, theory of flight, binary and any other aircraft system I was asked to. It could be very difficult with sometimes as many as 6 students called Mohammed in a class and most of the rest called Ali! 
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark appears to be the equivalent to Mohamed in my office! We're full of them! |
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| J_ROC72 wrote: | | Mark appears to be the equivalent to Mohamed in my office! We're full of them! |
They're full of............ what, exactly, Scott?
Sorry, I misread your post! |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| White people! |
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| J_ROC72 wrote: | | White people! |
Thank gawd for that. I had visions of it being something very un-pc!!! |
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Scott_Nelson
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| Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Did I mention they were white Polish people? |
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