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mark occomore
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 Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: PRS Fees |
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Over the past few days GMTV have been running a section about PRS (Performing Rights Society) and people who play there radio's in public areas. I mechanic may have to pay a licence of £138 in his Garage and other work places could be collared.
I think this is getting insane now. Will we have to purchase a licence to play our Radios in the garden or on a beach? |
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RobbieM
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: PRS Fees |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | I think this is getting insane now. |
Nothing insane about it - and there's nothing new about this at all. It's always been a breach of copyright to play copyright audio in a public place (read the small print around the average CD label).
| mark occomore wrote: | | Will we have to purchase a licence to play our Radios in the garden or on a beach? |
If it's being played loudly and can be deemed "public performance" then the answer to that question is "yes". Plug earphones in (such as with an iPod or whatever) and the answer's "no". It's simple enough.
Put it the other way, wouldn't you feel miffed if your own music was being played to the public in a situation where somebody isn't paying their dues and where you're not getting royalties that are owed to you? I know I would. It's no different to your CD being pirated or somebody making illegal downloads. Is it any different to broadcasters paying royalty fees?
I think it's perfectly right that PRS is acting on behalf of its members, and I were a member I'd definitely be in favour!
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: PRS Fees |
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| RobbieM wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | I think this is getting insane now. |
Nothing insane about it - and there's nothing new about this at all. It's always been a breach of copyright to play copyright audio in a public place (read the small print around the average CD label).
| mark occomore wrote: | | Will we have to purchase a licence to play our Radios in the garden or on a beach? |
If it's being played loudly and can be deemed "public performance" then the answer to that question is "yes". Plug earphones in (such as with an iPod or whatever) and the answer's "no". It's simple enough.
Put it the other way, wouldn't you feel miffed if your own music was being played to the public in a situation where somebody isn't paying their dues and where you're not getting royalties that are owed to you? I know I would. It's no different to your CD being pirated or somebody making illegal downloads. Is it any different to broadcasters paying royalty fees?
I think it's perfectly right that PRS is acting on behalf of its members, and I were a member I'd definitely be in favour! |
Get out of here  we have been doing this for years. I know all about this and been around for years playing music in gardens etc etc, probably like you have done or still do? It's the greedy music artists who are not getting enough royalties from the Radio stations. So the person who speeds past me with his Window down blasting on the Radio should have a licence? It's a joke... |
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RobbieM
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: PRS Fees |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Get out of here we have been doing this for years. |
You think I'm oblivious to the fact? I've been around the block enough to know that's the case. However, it still doesn't detract from the simple fact that to provide "public performance" of copyrighted audio which has been produced by PRS members is a breach of that copyright. You can argue about it as much as you like but facts are facts....
| mark occomore wrote: | | I know all about this and been around for years playing music in gardens etc etc, probably like you have done or still do? |
No, I don't, largely because it annoys the hell out of me when other people do.
| mark occomore wrote: | | It's the greedy music artists who are not getting enough royalties from the Radio stations. |
I think you'll find that the vast majority of music writers and lyricists are far from greedy - and certainly not well off due to the fact that they've been ripped off for too long.
| mark occomore wrote: | | So the person who speeds past me with his Window down blasting on the Radio should have a licence? It's a joke... |
I take it you're not a PRS member, then, because if you were you'd be debating this from a different standpoint.
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's ridiculous too.. It's one thing to need a licence to play radio or music say; in a reception or dining room over speakers or a lift even, but to chase somebody for having a radio on which may be overheard by the public is flaming crazy! ( that's if I've understood the situation correctly of course)
But after hearing today's news about 40% increases for power then why not pile on the agony? welcome to Britain 2008... 
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RobbieM
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | I think it's ridiculous too.. It's one thing to need a licence to play radio or music say; in a reception or dining room over speakers or a lift even, but to chase somebody for having a radio on which may be overheard by the public is flaming crazy! ( that's if I've understood the situation correctly of course)
But after hearing today's news about 40% increases for power then why not pile on the agony? welcome to Britain 2008... |
There's nothing new in this story at all, actually. It's rather typical of "tabloid TV" (aka GMTV) stirring up a story that isn't really a story. The fact is that PRS has been working hard to recover monies due to its members for several years now, and they're stepping up the pressure as is their right. A breach of copyright is a breach of copyright whichever way you look at it.
It's no different whatever to somebody photocopying something I've published (and for which I receive royalties) and handing copies out to members of the public without offering me any payment. No difference at all.
So I think it's wholly fair - and if people don't like it they should stop ripping off musicians and create their own music for their "public performance". Which of course they won't - it's much easier to nick other people's.
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: PRS Fees |
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[quote="RobbieM"] | mark occomore wrote: | G
| mark occomore wrote: | | So the person who speeds past me with his Window down blasting on the Radio should have a licence? It's a joke... |
I take it you're not a PRS member, then, because if you were you'd be debating this from a different standpoint.
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The person in his garage shouldn't be targeted. People are only coming into his work shop and dropping off there cars and gone in a few minutes makes this a stupid idea for him to get a licence. |
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RobbieM
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: PRS Fees |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | The person in his garage shouldn't be targeted. People are only coming into his work shop and dropping off there cars and gone in a few minutes makes this a stupid idea for him to get a licence. |
A breach of copyright is a breach of copyright. If the guy doesn't agree with it he should switch off his radio. Simple.
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SantaFefan
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Yes Robbie, I agree with the idea of a licence for playing recorded music to entertain the public but if a radio is on for the benefit of the employees and any member of joe public who happens to standing around is crazy.
What about friends riding in your car listening to the radio?
Remember the Wimpy Bar music tapes? all the current songs but re-recorded by session musicians! I wonder if Wimpy had to pay a licence?
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RobbieM
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | Yes Robbie, I agree with the idea of a licence for playing recorded music to entertain the public but if a radio is on for the benefit of the employees and any member of joe public who happens to standing around is crazy.
What about friends riding in your car listening to the radio? |
It still doesn't detract from the fact that PRS is paid by its members to collect royalties due - and it's seeking to do this as effectively and efficiently as possible. That's a fact.
| SantaFefan wrote: | | Remember the Wimpy Bar music tapes? all the current songs but re-recorded by session musicians! I wonder if Wimpy had to pay a licence? |
No, because such tapes were commissioned by the distributor (Wimpy, in that case) and session musicians were paid a buyout fee. It's very common. It's the same as those naff Top of the Pops LP collections from the late 60s on which session musicians like Elton John and Rick Wakeman played - they earned only a session fee too. The only royalties payable were to the writers of the original music and lyrics.
PRS licence fees are only payable to PRS members - nobody else.
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pickle
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: PRS Fees |
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Feargal Sharkey was on GMTV to state the case for the PRS. Fiona Phillips said he was the author of some of the best known songs.
As a Planet Rock listener I had no idea Sharkey had a hand in Won't Get Fooled Again, Rockin' In The Free World and Hotel flamin' California! 
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