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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Jonathan Ross Suspended for 12 Weeks Reply with quote

Jonathan Ross will be suspended until January 2009. He will not be paid for this.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Ross survives. And gets 12 weeks off, presumably in some warm clime. Its tough at the top. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it was a bad broadcast. The other thing it wasn't Jonathan Ross to blame as it was a pre-record and was sanctioned by someone else. ( That is his defence )

So he gets let off and others leave who are more important than him?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So Ross survives. And gets 12 weeks off, presumably in some warm clime. Its tough at the top. Laughing

Whilst his book climbs the bestseller charts!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Thompson has warned Ross this is his final warning. Looks like it's Mark Thompson final warning?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Mark Thompson has warned Ross this is his final warning. Looks like it's Mark Thompson final warning?


Sounds like a Dads Army sketch. Not that Ross would know anything about Dads Army! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfloyd wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
Mark Thompson has warned Ross this is his final warning. Looks like it's Mark Thompson final warning?


Sounds like a Dads Army sketch. Not that Ross would know anything about Dads Army! Laughing

Well, I guess he won't be hosting that Fawlty Towers reunion now!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gfloyd wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
Mark Thompson has warned Ross this is his final warning. Looks like it's Mark Thompson final warning?


Sounds like a Dads Army sketch. Not that Ross would know anything about Dads Army! Laughing

Well, I guess he won't be hosting that Fawlty Towers reunion now!


Dont mention the war eh!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's got off lightly.

He should have been sacked -clear and simple.

Lets hope he gets his just deserts before the end of the suspenion period.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
He's got off lightly.

He should have been sacked -clear and simple.

Lets hope he gets his just deserts before the end of the suspenion period.


Now give the reason why he should have been sacked. First he has a defence that the show was pre-recorded and should have been looked at before it went to air? He needs to have warnings before you are sacked? Brand quit as he felt responsible. Lesley left as she was responsible what happened under her watch. Ross has a final warning. Mark your messages are just anti because you dislike him?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er he's overpaid Mark more than the head of state even the Queen and acted like a child on tax payers money? Is that a good enough reason?

He should know better, and has got away with it for far too long. Interested in Chris Evans statement on the R2 news, he made a very sensible statement and how they all recognised what happened was unacceptable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BDG-Completely agree.

Mark O-I think you have missed the point somewhat.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BDG-Completely agree.

Mark O-I think you have missed the point somewhat.


No I'm looking at it closely and sitting on the fence. Where some are charging in?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm looking at it closely and sitting on the fence.

Oh come on! You've had 4 days to form an opnion. 2 people have resigned, there have been questions in Parliament, and the papers are full of it - surely you have a view on it by now?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mark occomore wrote:
I'm looking at it closely and sitting on the fence.

Oh come on! You've had 4 days to form an opnion. 2 people have resigned, there have been questions in Parliament, and the papers are full of it - surely you have a view on it by now?


I have view surprised Ross is still around? Is he that powerful? Managers at the BBC are getting walked over by these guys and there production companies? Who are really calling the shots? Mark Thompson, but without fighting with them?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bottom line is Mark O that Ross is paid obscene money and he was on thin ice and has been for a long time. I keep saying this on varous forums but it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I think it is a good day for democracy and tax payers in this country we should learn from it. That complaining can make a difference.

Anyone who want to sign my petition as you did Mark O (very much appreciated XX) is welcome.

www.jezzasexiles.org (I need 200 signatures to get a reply from the PM!)

But I refer to it for a reason because in the last two weeks Lucy has moved ito her own flat and despite being registered blind we've have had to pay the full license fee within days they were on her like a ton of bricks before they get the proof. Fair enough but a bit excessive being told you can't watch TV until you pay up when you are newly moved in? Same today with Council Tax a carer was questioned on the doorstep at 8am!!!! Personal questions I've complained to the council and they are reviewing their procedures.

For me this issue is about accountability and how TAX PAYERS MONEY is spent and in the case of Ross it is obscene and I don't dislike him.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ross will not be without a hefty income while he serves the ban.

His BBC contract allows him to work elsewhere on “special projects”. And next month he will trouser at least £100,000 by hosting the British Comedy Awards on rivals ITV1


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1876901.ece
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BDG wrote:
Interested in Chris Evans statement on the R2 news, he made a very sensible statement and how they all recognised what happened was unacceptable.


Yes Chris spoke very well on tv last night [I think it was shown to a greater or lesser degree on all channels]. I especially thought his comments about the need for strong producers was quite apt.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfloyd wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
Mark Thompson has warned Ross this is his final warning. Looks like it's Mark Thompson final warning?


Sounds like a Dads Army sketch. Not that Ross would know anything about Dads Army! Laughing


Tee hee! Laughing that's why that tribute he did was SO embarrassing!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Chris Evans on TV.... Reply with quote

I thought Chris Evans' teary-eyed tribute to Lesley Douglas was embarrassing, akin to something off The X factor! Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed - soppy twit!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: Chris Evans on TV.... Reply with quote

Briant wrote:
I thought Chris Evans' teary-eyed tribute to Lesley Douglas was embarrassing, akin to something off The X factor! Shocked


Well a SCD routine wouldn't work would it? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Mark Mayhew wrote:
He's got off lightly.

He should have been sacked -clear and simple.

Lets hope he gets his just deserts before the end of the suspenion period.


Now give the reason why he should have been sacked. First he has a defence that the show was pre-recorded and should have been looked at before it went to air? He needs to have warnings before you are sacked? Brand quit as he felt responsible. Lesley left as she was responsible what happened under her watch. Ross has a final warning. Mark your messages are just anti because you dislike him?



I explained what I felt on another thread, but now that events have moved on, I'll repeat some and add.

Ross knew instantly that what he said was wrong and he should have taken responsibility, notwithstanding the fact that it wasn't his show or production, to stop the recording immediately, to make sure that it wouldn't be broadcast, and to proactively contact Andrew Sachs, his agent or management to apologise.

If any one of us did this to any of our customers, clients and contacts in the name of our employers or business, we would expect to be out on our ear with a P45 before our feet could touch the ground. Why should Ross be any different?

I think he should have resigned with Brand. On the face of it he has got off lightly, but he is permanently damaged; when he comes to talk contracts and money with any broadcaster in the future they have a stick to beat him down with, quite apart from the fact that none of them has the financial resources for mega-million deals any more anyway.

If, when Ofcom come to their report, the BBC is fined, I trust that he will get his chequebook out to cover it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Ron. As I've said, if Ross had any scruples at all he'd resign. I wonder how he feels this morning?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty stupid I would think. I wondered about this earlier, how he really feels in his own home, what fellow presenters think of it all.
I'd guess he must be pretty low right now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If JR hadn't said that RB had porked the Satantic Slut then this whole thing would probably not have happened. Everything after that comment is the two of them trying to dig themselves out of the hole created by that remark.

The programme should not have been broadcast, of course and then I doubt we'd even be having this discussion as we wouldn't be aware of it, unless Sachs had gone public, which I doubt
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that is very true shelster, which is why Ross should resign now.

I believe, though, Brand and/or Ross would have come up with something else at a later date which eventually would have had the same final result.

Lesley Douglas's obsession with Russell Brand was her downfall. I wonder if she and Russell ever.......


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said elsewhere that I don't think that Jonathan Ross will return to his Radio 2 show but I don't agree that he should resign, he was after all a guest on the show.

The person who should carry the can for this, if indeed there is a can to be carried, is the person who allowed the programme to be broadcast in the first place
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, the first person to mention on Radio 2 that Brand had slept with Sach's grand-daughter was David Baddiel but he's managed to keep himself out of this hysteria.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheltster wrote:


The person who should carry the can for this, if indeed there is a can to be carried, is the person who allowed the programme to be broadcast in the first place


He should go too, yes.

But what Brand/Ross did was indefensible. What else would they have done in the future had this episode not gone public. Who was next on Brand's guest list?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Director General on JV this lunch time made it clear that ultimately the responsibility lay with Senior Editors/Managers in the BBC and that is the main reason although he thought about he accepted LD's resignation was because she was aware of the content of the show before it was aired. Therefore the responsibility ultimately lay with her.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he accepted LD's resignation because she was aware of the content of the show before it was aired. Therefore the responsibility ultimately lay with her.


BDG,

Is that confirmed somewhere? If so I might have to re-instate one of iain_smith's rumour threads Wink


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Flashback.... Reply with quote

September 29th 2007: R2OK MB : Posted by myself:

'What JR can get away with on a late night chat show and what the Radio2 audience want at 10am on a Saturday morning are, in my opinion, two different things. Perhaps a friend should tell him.' Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I haven't seen it in writing John I know what I heard. It was on JV between 12 and 12.30 when JV was interviewing him, so you can listen again.

Someone picked up on EA that the Times reported she didn't listen to the show before it was aired. The DG clearly said she was "aware" of it's contents that to me is the main point ie she was told about it/saw the paperwork and didn't then choose to listen to check if for herself and let it go through.

Also Lyons Chair of the Trustees, when interviewed this morning when pushed on the point, refused to answer and said it was up to the DG to answer it, which he did on JV.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
I think that is very true shelster, which is why Ross should resign now.

I believe, though, Brand and/or Ross would have come up with something else at a later date which eventually would have had the same final result.

Lesley Douglas's obsession with Russell Brand was her downfall. I wonder if she and Russell ever.......


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Presumably John you have heard Gambo's interview this morning :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/fivelivebreakfast/2008/10/has_the_wrong_person_paid_the.html
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BDG wrote:
Well I haven't seen it in writing John I know what I heard. It was on JV between 12 and 12.30 when JV was interviewing him, so you can listen again.

Someone picked up on EA that the Times reported she didn't listen to the show before it was aired. The DG clearly said she was "aware" of it's contents that to me is the main point ie she was told about it/saw the paperwork and didn't then choose to listen to check if for herself and let it go through.

Also Lyons Chair of the Trustees, when interviewed this morning when pushed on the point, refused to answer and said it was up to the DG to answer it, which he did on JV.


Are you sure he said that B? I thought he said the opposite, but it's not yet on listen again.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be my hearing then Aitch! I could have sworn he said she was "aware" of the contents not that she was unaware but you could be right, I guess it's only one syllable difference! He did keep going on about Senior Managers etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't stake my life on it but I thought I'd heard it elsewhere as well. I hope it will be available on listen again at some point. I can't see that they would pull that interview in view of what has happened.

Gambo's interview was excellent, but then he nearly always is. He's so right when he said that someone will remember something that you said on the Radio.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shall feel an idiot if I'm wrong Laughing they have let it go through on the BBC message boards and it was in moderation for at least 3 hours.
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I've managed to listen to a bit on the internet radio, must just be the iPlayer that won't work just now, it said 'show not available'.

Mark Thompson said it wasn't one of the programmes that the controller managed to catch. Now I assume he means when it went on air. Will listen to the rest in a bit. That was about 14-15 mins from the start of the show.

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