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igs007
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 Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Brand to 'Bland' |
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Two of our supposed 'quality' newspapers have gone on the attack today in their radio columns. Both are complaining that Richard Allinson and Alex Lester are bland stand ins for the shows that previously occupied these slots.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2008/nov/09/lester-allinson-radio-review
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article5108145.ece
I'm not that surprised at Miranda Sawyer having a pop (I wish Radcliffe and Maconie wouldn't give her a slot on their show - her contributions are worthless), but I thought Paul Donovan in the Times wouldn't have been as critical (still, he's spot on towards the end of his article, about Douglas' downfall). Anyway, it annoys me that they're calling two great radio presenters bland. I've listened to both shows and have enjoyed the music mix and bits of chat. This whole idea of backing off and becoming bland is now being overemphasised. Let's get on with it and allow these fine presenters to do the shows.
Miranda Sawyer saying that these minor changes will drive away the so-called hard fought, new found, younger radio 2 audience is drivel. It's clear then that she doesn't really understand the station, and that Lester and Allinson are both very popular. And did anyone say these changes are permanent?! Ross will bounce back, eventually, and Brand is off to rich pickings across the pond. |
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nod
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I've got to agree, they have to find some good replacements soon.
These guys are just filling in and don't usually have fulltime daytime shows for a reason. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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'We want your mundane stories...... a man driving a lorry who had just seen a cat's eye."
Mark M ain't gonna be happy.. 
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nod
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | 'We want your mundane stories...... a man driving a lorry who had just seen a cat's eye."
Mark M ain't gonna be happy.. |
What was in the back of his lorry, we've had that as a text topic before ? |
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igs007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| nod wrote: | I've got to agree, they have to find some good replacements soon.
These guys are just filling in and don't usually have fulltime daytime shows for a reason. |
Does Alex Lester's long established daily show not count then?! |
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nod
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gfloyd
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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They are bland. Well one of them anyway.
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| nod wrote: | | These guys are just filling in and don't usually have fulltime daytime shows for a reason. |
What is that reason? Richard Allinson had two very good shows on Radio 2 and, as has been said previously, Alex Lester has been on Radio 2 for the best part of 20 years. Richard only lost his show because of a Lesley 'Disaster' Douglas whim. Why should Radio 2 be just another station to cater for the teenage audience. Just about every other station caters for their needs. Where are people like me, who don't want to be gratuitously shouted & sworn at supposed to go. Let those that want to be shouted at go to Radio 1 or their ILR station and leave Radio 2 & 6 music for those Radio 1 listeners displaced by Matthew Bannister.
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gfloyd
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In his 20 year career Richard Allinson has only briefly (on Capital) held down a daytime slot. That should tell us something.
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nod
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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In my view they 'lack sparkle'.
I know I'm not the only one who thinks that. |
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NickSheffield
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | In his 20 year career Richard Allinson has only briefly (on Capital) held down a daytime slot. That should tell us something. |
To be fair - there are hundreds of people out there who could keep the nations' attention with a daytime radio show, and I believe Allinson to be one of these people. The fact he hasn't been given a proper chance, goes only to prove the level of competition; it is not a statment on his talent - of which I hear him to have bags. |
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nod
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nations attention ?
In my view he presents the same show over & over & over again, just decent music interrupted by reading out stories from the papers and texts / emails..that won't keep my attention , and doesn't for more than 10 minutes. How many times has he filled in on R2 and could have attempted to show something more exciting ? |
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NickSheffield
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| nod wrote: | nations attention ?
In my view he presents the same show over & over & over again, just decent music interrupted by reading out stories from the papers and texts / emails..that won't keep my attention , and doesn't for more than 10 minutes. How many times has he filled in on R2 and could have attempted to show something more exciting ? |
Well, see, I actually think he has quite a way with words and shows a lot of music knowledge - which basically is what I look for in my radio presenters. Okay, so there are people that surpass him of course (Radcliffe, Maconie, Harris, Walker and yes, Ross himself) but I think Allinson does a fine job. |
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nod
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Well, see, I actually think he has quite a way with words and shows a lot of music knowledge.... |
Sorry but I just don't see that side of him, I know others say he has a great musical knowledge but to me he just seems to know a lot of trivial facts about artists and records... |
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Mark Mayhew
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| well said Nick. |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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He didn't show much musical knowledge yesterday when talking to his guest ( ? ) about a classic song from the 50s...
"I wasn't born" he grinned.. 
The guest was amazed!
Oy! Allinson (  ) I know plenty of classics pre 52!
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| well said Mark. |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| nod wrote: | | NickSheffield wrote: |
Well, see, I actually think he has quite a way with words and shows a lot of music knowledge.... |
Sorry but I just don't see that side of him, I know others say he has a great musical knowledge but to me he just seems to know a lot of trivial facts about artists and records... |
I can't see that being a bad thing in a DJ who's playing their music.
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| If that's what you want then that's fine |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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So, we go from attacking Bland and woss to attacking Alice and Alex
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | In his 20 year career Richard Allinson has only briefly (on Capital) held down a daytime slot. That should tell us something. |
Richard was on Capital for around 17 years until he came over the Radio 2 in 97.
He used to present all shows on Capital from Breakfast to the Chart Shows etc, and when he left was on Early Breakfast. He was also on VH1 Live Weekend Cafe Show with Julia Carling.
I think all Papers are trying too attack Radio 2 at present. I wouldn't read to much into it. They will all find something new to talk about soon. HAPPY CHRISTMAS!! |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark Lamar probably couldn't do the show as he works for Ross Management company. At least we have some professional radio without gobs shouting at us on both slots. Well done Rich and Alex. |
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gfloyd
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Mark Lamar probably couldn't do the show as he works for Ross Management company. At least we have some professional radio without gobs shouting at us on both slots. Well done Rich and Alex. |
The BBC said Mark Lamarr was not chosen for "editorial reasons"
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | Mark Lamar probably couldn't do the show as he works for Ross Management company. At least we have some professional radio without gobs shouting at us on both slots. Well done Rich and Alex. |
The BBC said Mark Lamarr was not chosen for "editorial reasons" |
That was the editorial reason. Keep the comedians away.
I personally rather listen to Richard and Alex than Ross. It's a shame that Radio 2 will move them away after Christmas? So in the meantime Richard should be considered for a show in the New Year? |
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Well, R2 has gained a listener (or should that be regained?) after the suspension of Ross and the resignation of Brand. I'd rather have a clear distinction between R1 and R2, thank you very much - as someone's already said here, there's plenty of stations that pander to the whims of the sub-thirty brigade, and there's no particular need to dress R2 up as R1.5 unless there is a drive on ratings.
I too echo the sentiments re RA's musical knowledge. He certainly displayed this on his late lamented Saturday show, and whilst I can see where people are coming from regarding the mundane aspect of the texts, e-mails, etc., well, I'd rather have that than someone going out to be deliberately offensive. YMMV. RA over JR? For what my vote is worth, yes please. Pretty much the same goes for Alex, who I can now listen to at a reasonable time of day without trying to fit "listen again" into my week.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | gfloyd wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | Mark Lamar probably couldn't do the show as he works for Ross Management company. At least we have some professional radio without gobs shouting at us on both slots. Well done Rich and Alex. |
The BBC said Mark Lamarr was not chosen for "editorial reasons" |
That was the editorial reason. Keep the comedians away. |
Nah, Lamarr's been successful in that slot. With the simultaneous dropping of Alan Carr I'd assume Ross's agent spat his dummy out and wouldn't let his acts on the station that week.
Plus, of course, Richard is a 'safe pair of hands' - terrible interviewer though. |
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| It’s always possible that the management instructed them to be “bland and inoffensive”, so, if that’s how they are coming across, then that is a good indication of just how much talent they both have. It isn’t easy to be bland; it requires huge effort and a finely tuned talent to get being bland, just right. If like me you were a long time listener of Alex, you would immediately recognise that his Saturday Evening show is really toned down when compared to his weekday show. So if you’re expecting the Joy of Dwarfs or Nazi rhyming slang from Alex – you aint gonna get that on a Saturday night, not in the current climate anyway. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ian Robinson wrote: | | With the simultaneous dropping of Alan Carr I'd assume Ross's agent spat his dummy out and wouldn't let his acts on the station that week. |
Hang on... has Alan Carr's 'comedy hour' slot been dropped? I didn't know that. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| NickSheffield wrote: |
Hang on... has Alan Carr's 'comedy hour' slot been dropped? I didn't know that. |
Oh I hope so - it's pants! |
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| Rachel wrote: | | NickSheffield wrote: |
Hang on... has Alan Carr's 'comedy hour' slot been dropped? I didn't know that. |
Oh I hope so - it's pants! |
It was dropped for the first week of the suspension (at least) but seems to be back in the schedules now. Sadly.
Never mind - Out To Lunch is back soon! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ian Robinson wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | gfloyd wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | Mark Lamar probably couldn't do the show as he works for Ross Management company. At least we have some professional radio without gobs shouting at us on both slots. Well done Rich and Alex. |
The BBC said Mark Lamarr was not chosen for "editorial reasons" |
That was the editorial reason. Keep the comedians away. |
Nah, Lamarr's been successful in that slot. With the simultaneous dropping of Alan Carr I'd assume Ross's agent spat his dummy out and wouldn't let his acts on the station that week.
Plus, of course, Richard is a 'safe pair of hands' - terrible interviewer though. |
I thought Ross was Mark Lamarr agent? Richard is a good interviewer. |
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Ross, Lamarr, Carr (plus Jo Brand) all have the same agent - Off The Kerb.
Anyway... they've kissed and made up. It's an Off The Kerb show filling in for Ross's TV chat show until he comes back. |
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mark occomore
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| Ian Robinson wrote: | Ross, Lamarr, Carr (plus Jo Brand) all have the same agent - Off The Kerb.
Anyway... they've kissed and made up. It's an Off The Kerb show filling in for Ross's TV chat show until he comes back. |
It be a stinker for the BBC if Ross did leave? |
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