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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't get me wrong (there's a song there) I like Scott, we had some great laughs on the old R2 MB. Next time Scott, don't be so prolific in your postings and give the game away! I was disappointed on the POV MB when you denied who you were to John H and myself, but c'est la vie! Laughing


I agree Briant, if he could just try and be more thoughtful in his postings, stick to one opinion, post something worthy! Then maybe a useful dialogue without arguments could occur. Stop the lies, stop 'liking' programmes that he can't stand as it's so false and winds people up, stop ranting about shows he never listens to - they are for other listeners.

But I know folks on here who will never tolerate him and who pounce on him whenever his mask slips, and all hell is let loose.

A read through the Members' Warnings thread means only one course of action, and I have to side with folks who don't want him here.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Briant wrote:
Don't get me wrong (there's a song there)....


Ah yes! The Rutles! The best ever Beatles songs never to be written or performed by the Beatles! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steering the thread back on track....

I noticed in the Guardian article that the comedy hour will move to 11pm on Thursdays. Does this spell the sad end to Bob Dylans' programmes on R2? I know they're available on 6 Music but still... I really hoped the comedy hour was bowing out. I guess it's something to do with public service nonsenses?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
Briant wrote:
Don't get me wrong (there's a song there)....


Ah yes! The Rutles! The best ever Beatles songs never to be written or performed by the Beatles! Smile


Or The Pretenders
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry a little off topic. I think Andromeda Android who I believe is Scott is hanging himself on the POV MB.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind.

Scott who?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with John Wright.

Scott just can't control himself re his message board postings-he just ends up winding everybody else up with his repetitive postings on the same old subjects.

He should find himself a new hobby by imho.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
colby wrote:
Briant wrote:
Don't get me wrong (there's a song there)....


Ah yes! The Rutles! The best ever Beatles songs never to be written or performed by the Beatles! Smile


Or The Pretenders


I cannot quite see the connection or how The Pretenders measures up against The Rutles for "Beatleness" in their songs.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very impressive.

If POTP moves to Saturday, it'll give me something to listen to after 10am.

AT LAST--a 2 hour slot for SOTSev. This is years overdue and Johnnie Walker is an excellent choice of host.

The 'cosy' teatime show on a Sunday would never have been lost if Ed Stewart hadn't been frozen out. It'll be good to have it back and Paul O'Grady is just the man for it.

I''m sorry, in a sense, to see a reduction in Alan Titchmarsh's time but somehow, for me, this show has never quite become the sum of its parts.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
colby wrote:
Briant wrote:
Don't get me wrong (there's a song there)....


Ah yes! The Rutles! The best ever Beatles songs never to be written or performed by the Beatles! Smile


Or The Pretenders


I cannot quite see the connection or how The Pretenders measures up against The Rutles for "Beatleness" in their songs.


The Pretenders had a hit called 'Don't Get Me Wrong'.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
colby wrote:
I cannot quite see the connection or how The Pretenders measures up against The Rutles for "Beatleness" in their songs.


The Pretenders had a hit called 'Don't Get Me Wrong'.


You're right, of course. My apologies - that one slipped by me! Smile

Now I come to think of it, my favourite rendition of "Don't Get Me Wrong" wasn't by the Rutles, it was the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, which is really just an earlier incarnation of the Rutles.

Anyhow.....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like Theme Time Radio Hour' will be rested or moved to replace the ' Comedy Hour?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny (in a perverse fashion) that the so-called "Comedy Hour" has taken so long to kill off. I don't know any regular listener to R2 who has ever liked it, and of course the messageboards have always reflected a wider dislike of the slot. Yet the Beeb has persevered with it for years and years. It does prompt memories of the wonderfully funny Kenneth Horne and also The Clitheroe Kid (featuring little Jimmy Clitheroe - was it on Sundays?), but those days are gone and comedy on Radio 2 has been unfunny and insignificant for a good couple of decades, imho.

I'd like to see a Johnnie Walker show on Saturdays from 1.00-3.00pm (with somebody better than Ross before it too!) but I guess that's not worth contemplating any more. I liked his "Saturday Sequence" on R1, which was the invention of Jim Moir if JW's autobiography is anything to go by.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could JW do 1-8pm ? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be good, but I think it would finish anyone off to broadcast for that length of time on a regular basis.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If some people just listen to Dermot's Saturday show then it will sound a modern version of Saturday Sequence. I had a guess Dermot will pre-record some shows once X-Factor starts at the end of the year.

I just wonder if Bob Shennan will kill off celebrities presenting on Radio 2 once he introduces his own schedules and ideas?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
If some people just listen to Dermot's Saturday show then it will sound a modern version of Saturday Sequence.


The major difference, though, is that Johnnie Walker knows a helluva lot more about music spanning 4 decades than does Dermot.

mark occomore wrote:
I just wonder if Bob Shennan will kill off celebrities presenting on Radio 2 once he introduces his own schedules and ideas?


He's been in the job long enough to shuffle the brooms in the closet, and traditionally the new Spring/Summer schedules kick in around Easter. So what we have now is what we're going to get for the next 6 months I suspect.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, are you serious "X-Factor starts at the end of the month!??? Rolling Eyes

Surely not!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mark, are you serious "X-Factor starts at the end of the month!??? Rolling Eyes

Surely not!


I thought that the "Yawn Factor" started in Autumn and ran down to a Christmas climax.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did mean end of the year Laughing I wonder when Paul O'Grady is off who will step in? Surely not Simon Mayo?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="colby"]
mark occomore wrote:


mark occomore wrote:
I just wonder if Bob Shennan will kill off celebrities presenting on Radio 2 once he introduces his own schedules and ideas?


He's been in the job long enough to shuffle the brooms in the closet, and traditionally the new Spring/Summer schedules kick in around Easter. So what we have now is what we're going to get for the next 6 months I suspect.


I would expect for the next year? I would expect Bob Shennan to imput some of his ideas after the summer? It will also be interesting to see who will cover who over the summer season when Holidays kick in?
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It will also be interesting to see who will cover who over the summer season when Holidays kick in?


I'm not sure why, do the standins ever get the long term jobs ? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could see Richard Allinson covering for Johnnie Walker on the Sound of the 70's show when he is on holiday.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One or two points.

Before going off sick, I was doing a two-hour show on the local Community Radio, which I hope to resume when I'm better. It would kill me to do seven hours a time!

Re Jimmy Clitheroe, his show was usually on a Sunday with a weeknight repeat. This was itself a good example of a show which, marvellous at its height, was allowed at least two or three series too many, with tired old ideas reworked endlessly.

I'll forgive Alan T just about anything for cheering me up so much this evening by playing the Gerard Hoffnung extract of letters from foreign hoteliers.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Re Jimmy Clitheroe, his show was usually on a Sunday with a weeknight repeat. This was itself a good example of a show which, marvellous at its height, was allowed at least two or three series too many, with tired old ideas reworked endlessly.


Maybe, but at its height it was funny. That's the point.
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Steering the thread back on track....

I noticed in the Guardian article that the comedy hour will move to 11pm on Thursdays. Does this spell the sad end to Bob Dylans' programmes on R2? I know they're available on 6 Music but still... I really hoped the comedy hour was bowing out. I guess it's something to do with public service nonsenses?

Nick


As far as I'm aware, Theme Time Radio Hour is not a weekly show; it has been produced over three 'seasons' in the US. There are still a few new episodes to broadcast on 2, but as long as it stays on 6music at least, I'm happy.

I don't think anyone's mentioned the loss of Suzi Q's show from the schedules. This is a great shame. The music was fantastic each week, and much of it is not played elsewhere on 2. As for the rest of the changes, POTP on Saturday is a good move (back!), but I'm not yet sure about Allan Carr's show - the concept sounds very local radio. I still don't see why Dermot needs 3 hours, the show would work better back to 2 hours again (and Suzi Q could keep her show!) sundays seem good, but I'm a bit sad to see Johnnie Walker losing a general music show as his knowledge and passion is reflected not just in the 70s but in music today. which is more than can be said for many other presenters on 2.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a bit sad to see Johnnie Walker losing a general music show as his knowledge and passion is reflected not just in the 70s but in music today. which is more than can be said for many other presenters on 2.


Yep, couldn't agree more. Johnnie's knowledge and insight is second-to-none and he's a real broadcasting treasure who seems to be increasingly sidelined by BBC management who don't seem to have the first idea how to run a decent radio station without having to resort to Focus Group feedback.

It wouldn't have happened in Jim Moir's day - he was a man who had a real passion for radio, and who progressed up through the ranks over many years.

Let's hope the new controller shows a bit more sensitivity and intuition than the previous incumbent - who didn't exactly demonstrate much of an ability to run a proverbial drinking session in a place where beer is brewed.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't mind Dale being switched to a Saturday - might even listen to it in lieu of the dire Comedy Hour. Then, of course, I'll have to switch the radio over/off completely until 8pm when Gambo arrives (where's Suzi going to? Was just getting to like her programme!). Not sure about a complete 70s line-up for Sunday tea-times, liked the eclectic mix better, but I'll still give it a go.
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iwarburton wrote:
One or two points.

Before going off sick, I was doing a two-hour show on the local Community Radio, which I hope to resume when I'm better. It would kill me to do seven hours a time!

Re Jimmy Clitheroe, his show was usually on a Sunday with a weeknight repeat. This was itself a good example of a show which, marvellous at its height, was allowed at least two or three series too many, with tired old ideas reworked endlessly.

I'll forgive Alan T just about anything for cheering me up so much this evening by playing the Gerard Hoffnung extract of letters from foreign hoteliers.

Ian.


Wasn't that hilarious Ian!

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Pick of the Pops deserves a better presenter, someone who sounds like they have heard the records before would be a good start. What a shame that Saturday nights which are brilliant at the moment with Suzi Q and JW will just have Gambo left for me!

Sundays for me will just be Johnnie's new prog. I can't stand Alan Carr and you can have too much of Paul O'Grady.

I wonder what will happen to the weekday schedules.............and I wish someone would put Allinson's Albums on Radio 2.
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Pick of the Pops deserves a better presenter, someone who sounds like they have heard the records before would be a good start.


He's old enough to be familiar with most stuff from the mid/late 50s and he worked as a club DJ before making it on TV, so I think he's probably sufficiently qualified, to be fair. I quite like his presentation of POTP.
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He may be old enough, but he doesn't sound like he knows the music and he misses out some good tracks then plays the 'sing something simple' type stuff! That is probably the producers fault though to be fair.
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It seems like tracks are missed out one week in order to balance out with those shows which feature releases from the same time frame in a subsequent show.

I don't think for one minute that he determines any of the musical content. In fact, I have a sneaky feeling he just turns up at the studio and rolls off the scripted links for several shows in one hit, with the actual programmes being constructed in the edit. There's nothing unusual in such an approach - after all, many studio-based TV quiz shows are recorded five shows per day, back to back, and POTP could be done in the same style.

He has said before that he spends most of his year at his Florida home - yet POTP is on all year round? He could, of course, even do his links down the line, which would confirm my suspicions.
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Well, he's 54 this year (according to wiki) so should be familiar with most of the 1960s onward. Mind you, he doesn't need to be, because the programme is compiled and produced by Phil Swern. Only the tracks which were going up in the charts of the weeks covered are played.

Considering how long he's done radio (I remember him on Radio Trent, and that's a l-o-n-g time ago) you'd think he would have a better sense of timing and finesse; he's like a carthorse clumping through it all. No-one's good enough to fill the space left by Alan Freeman, but almost anyone would make a better fist of it than our Dale.
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I'm inclined to agree about DW, I don't really make the effort to listen to POTP any more because he's just not the right presenter. Ed Stewart would be good.

I still cannot believe that Alan Carr is getting a show on R2, it's just plain wrong. He is a very acquired taste, there will be many people who will never switch on because of his fingernails-down-a-blackboard voice. Appalling.
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An afterthought--light music is again being pretty well ignored, despite the release of CDs and creation of some excellent related websites to a degree that suggests much public interest. Alan Titchmarsh now seems to be playing very little. Why not have an hour less of Mr Ross and a Brian Kay-style programme from 12 to 1 on Sat?

In fact--here's an idea. Today it's quite possible to produce shows of a high standard at home or in local studios using a programme like Audacity and putting the result on to a CD or datastick. Don't ask me re the technical details (I'm at the very early end of a long learning experience) but a friend of mine does it all the time for community radio.

Why doesn't the BBC approach the Light Music Society and ask it to suggest a knowledgable presenter who could undertake the task with some technical support? I'd be amazed if such a person couldn't be found.

Just a thought. Meanwhile, I shall make sure I include some 50s light music when I resume my show on Tynedale FM once I've recovered from my current illness.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Today it's quite possible to produce shows of a high standard at home or in local studios using a programme like Audacity and putting the result on to a CD or datastick..


Indeed, and here's the proof


http://www.r2ok.co.uk/dancebandshow.htm


http://www.r2ok.co.uk/parloursongs.htm


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iwarburton wrote:
Today it's quite possible to produce shows of a high standard at home or in local studios using a programme like Audacity and putting the result on to a CD or datastick..


And publish it as a podcast (music copyright issues permitting).
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After my complaint about the lack of light music on Alan Titchmarsh's show, I must give credit where it's due and report that last night we had a goodly selection (but I still want to see a dedicated show!).

Those on parade included Eric Coates, Haydn Wood and Ray Martin. Ernest Tomlinson was there, too, with his gorgeous Little Serenade.

Good, too, to hear Nicola by Steve Race. It must be decades since I previously heard it. Perhaps on another occasion they could play his Pied Piper, which is one of those tunes which everyone knows but few can name. It acted as a reminder that SR will reach the grand age of 88 on 1 April.

All this, the Die Fledermaus Overture and the Beatles' In My Life, too. A really good evening.

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Hi Ian,

I think it goes in waves, I'd noticed the lack of light music as well. I enjoyed last night's. A few theme tunes thrown in as well. Top Of The Form and Grandstand I think. Nice bit of nostalgia.

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