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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Calling ernie! Reply with quote

But where is ernie? Has he left after arguing with colby?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that with a bit of determined effort we can get there before that date - even if the milkman can't face the truth about the drivetime rentagob!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope Ernie has not left-I enjoy reading his posts and the intelligent points he makes.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
I think that with a bit of determined effort we can get there before that date - even if the milkman can't face the truth about the drivetime rentagob!


The truth, Colby, is only what you believe it to be- it seems where the truth of Drivetime is concerned, yours is an entirely different version to the one I and around 6 million (as near as makes no difference) other listeners believe.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
The truth, Colby, is only what you believe it to be- it seems where the truth of Drivetime is concerned, yours is an entirely different version to the one I and around 6 million (as near as makes no difference) other listeners believe.


How right you are, Rachel. However.... I still have an opinion, and my opinion counts because I help to pay the drivetime host's fees as well.

And if indeed "6 million" people have a preference for such banality then who am I to question them? (It also demonstrates that 50+ million have no desire to listen. I should add).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
Rachel wrote:
The truth, Colby, is only what you believe it to be- it seems where the truth of Drivetime is concerned, yours is an entirely different version to the one I and around 6 million (as near as makes no difference) other listeners believe.


How right you are, Rachel. However.... I still have an opinion, and my opinion counts because I help to pay the drivetime host's fees as well.

And if indeed "6 million" people have a preference for such banality then who am I to question them? (It also demonstrates that 50+ million have no desire to listen. I should add).


It's a gift. Smile Actually you don’t have to contribute a brass farthing to Radio 2. BBC Radio is completely free at the point of use. I assume that you mean you pay a licence fee. Well the licence fee is a licence to hold television receiving equipment in your home and is optional – nothing to do with Radio. BBC Radio is a public service funded from the public purse, and whilst you contribute to that in same way that we all do though our taxes, BBC Radio has many stations to cater for every taste in programming- so to complain about a single programme on just one of those stations seems extremely churlish given that you are not required to listen to any of the BBC Radio Stations at all.


"If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system, or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence. "
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
I still have an opinion, and my opinion counts.



colby, you've been on this forum a while now. With a history of the usual forum problems here, the rules were developed to avoid confrontaion, we like discussion but not confrontation.

Why are we talking about a presenter on a 'prediction' thread?

Your opinion counts but please refer to Rule 2 (in the announcements section):

2. Continual spamming of opinions, especially opinions moaning about a particular presenter or show, or genres of music that the poster does not listen to, will not be tolerated. This Forum is not aimed at descending into the public denigration of respected broadcasters, nor is it for postings clearly displaying ignorance of music.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, John - how about this for a bit of informed debate that doesn't resort to bad-mouthing certain presenters nor showing an ignorance of music:


Rachel wrote:
It's a gift. Smile Actually you don’t have to contribute a brass farthing to Radio 2. BBC Radio is completely free at the point of use.


It is not a gift. The whole of BBC Radio is funded from revenues obtained from the licence fee receipts by virtue of the fact that the British Broadcasting Corporation is funded thus. The revenue from the Licence Fee is used by the BBC to fund almost all of its operation - with the exception of BBC Worldwide and the BBC World Service, the latter of which is funded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

Rachel wrote:

Well the licence fee is a licence to hold television receiving equipment in your home and is optional – nothing to do with Radio.


That's correct. We require a Licence to use Television Receiving equipment whereas we don't require such for radio reception. It doesn't imply that BBC Radio isn't funded from the same revenue source, however, and therefore it doesn't change the fact that my contribution to the BBC's total budget also helps to fund Evans' salary.

Rachel wrote:
BBC Radio is a public service funded from the public purse...


If, by that, you're implying that the BBC is funded from tax revenues then you're wrong. I repeat - BBC Radio operations at all levels (with the exception BBC WS) are funded from the BBC's central funding pool that in turn comes from Licence Fee receipts.

Yes it a "public service broadcaster", but that relates to its brief which dates back to the days when it first received its Charter in 1927 or thereabouts.

Rachel wrote:
......and whilst you contribute to that in same way that we all do though our taxes...


Wrong. See above.

Rachel wrote:
...BBC Radio has many stations to cater for every taste in programming- so to complain about a single programme on just one of those stations seems extremely churlish given that you are not required to listen to any of the BBC Radio Stations at all.


Well, having established that I do indeed help to fund Evans' salary through my contribution to the BBC's overall budget I don't think it's a matter of whether I'm being "churlish" or not, does it?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
OK, John - how about this for a bit of informed debate that doesn't resort to bad-mouthing certain presenters nor showing an ignorance of music:


Rachel wrote:
It's a gift. Smile Actually you don’t have to contribute a brass farthing to Radio 2. BBC Radio is completely free at the point of use.


It is not a gift. The whole of BBC Radio is funded from revenues obtained from the licence fee receipts by virtue of the fact that the British Broadcasting Corporation is funded thus. The revenue from the Licence Fee is used by the bBC to fund almost all of its operation - with the exception of BBC Worldwide and the BBC World Service, the latter of which is funded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

Rachel wrote:

Well the licence fee is a licence to hold television receiving equipment in your home and is optional – nothing to do with Radio.


That's correct. We require a Licence to use Television Receiving equipment whereas we don't require such for radio reception. It doesn't imply that BBC Radio isn't funded from the same revenue source, however, and therefore it doesn't change the fact that my contribution to the BBC's total budget also helps to fund Evans' salary.

Rachel wrote:
BBC Radio is a public service funded from the public purse...


If, by that, you're implying that the BBC is funded from tax revenues then you're wrong. I repeat - BBC Radio operations at all levels (with the exception BBC WS) are funded from the BBC's central funding pool that in turn comes from Licence Fee receipts.

Yes it a "public service broadcaster", but that relates to its brief which dates back to the days when it first received its Charter in 1927 or thereabouts.

Rachel wrote:
......and whilst you contribute to that in same way that we all do though our taxes...


Wrong. See above.

Rachel wrote:
...BBC Radio has many stations to cater for every taste in programming- so to complain about a single programme on just one of those stations seems extremely churlish given that you are not required to listen to any of the BBC Radio Stations at all.


Well, having established that I do indeed help to fund Evans' salary through my contribution to the BBC's overall budget I don't think it's a matter of whether I'm being "churlish" or not, does it?



Do you think it may be a good exercise to find out exactly what percentage of your taxes funds the BBC, and what percentage of your contribution to the BBC helps to fund Chris Evans’ salary?

I reckon it’s going to start with a zero followed by a decimal point, several other zeros then a number between 1 and 9 but which ever number it is between 1 and 9, when rounded to two decimal places it will be zero, which is exactly how much your and my opinions on the BBC are worth individually.

Your opinion does though, affect how quickly this MB will get to 100, 000 posts - assuming of course that you tell us how much you dislike Chris Evans in almost every post of every thread.

I accept that I'm wrong and you're right - the BBC is funded entirely from the licence fee. You choose to buy a licence - nobody forces you.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
Do you think it may be a good exercise to find out exactly what percentage of your taxes funds the BBC, and what percentage of your contribution to the BBC helps to fund Chris Evans’ salary?


The only proportion of my taxes that fund the BBC are those which form part of the grant which is made annually by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to the BBC World Service.

Rachel wrote:
I reckon it’s going to start with a zero followed by a decimal point, several other zeros then a number between 1 and 9 but which ever number it is between 1 and 9, when rounded to two decimal places it will be zero, which is exactly how much your and my opinions on the BBC are worth individually.


The arithmetic is irrelevant, Rachel. We're constantly reminded that "it's your BBC" which means that we're all stakeholders, and under the BBC's Royal Charter we have a right to have a say in how things are done.

Rachel wrote:
Your opinion does though, affect how quickly this MB will get to 100, 000 posts - assuming of course that you tell us how much you dislike Chris Evans in almost every post of every thread.


Look back through my posts and you'll see that such a statement is clearly untrue.

I'm very enthusiastic about music - especially that which falls within the remit of BBC R2, and I'm happy to engage in chat about all things related to music. I'm also very interested in the media-related technology (I have a professional interest) and I'm also happy to engage in discussion about this. It's not all about Evans.

But, as a Licence Fee payer, I'm also not without my views about the way my money gets spent, and that seems fair.

I thought this website was supposed to reflect the interests of the so-called "Radio 2 Preservation Society". If that's the case, what's gone wrong John?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colby, you rightly point out that Radio 2 is funded entirely from the TV licence fee. It’s a fair cop Guv- what do I know?

Chris Evans has been with Radio 2 for nearly 4 years.

The TV licence is renewable every 12-months- optionally.

I concede that if you’d bought a TV Licence and then at some point in the following 12-months, Chris Evans turned up on Radio 2- you’d have grounds to register your dislike of Chris’ show. However, since you’ve renewed your licence at least twice knowing that some of its cost will go towards Chris Evans’ salary then you have volunteered that contribution. If you had real conviction in your own opinion – you would discard your TV/TV receiving equipment and hence the requirement to buy a TV Licence, and then your contribution towards Chris Evans would be zero, and any opinion you have on him would be irrelevant.

Do you have real conviction or would you rather just do something/ listen to something else when Drivetime is on air? It really is just a tiny part of the BBC’s output.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
I thought this website was supposed to reflect the interests of the so-called "Radio 2 Preservation Society". If that's the case, what's gone wrong John?



Colby,

All that's wrong is you hijacked this thread (after someone enquired about the absent gfloyd) to rant about Evans, and the rule is not to use rants in an off-topic manner, so I've moved that discussion here.

Rant away!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
Do you have real conviction or would you rather just do something/ listen to something else when Drivetime is on air? It really is just a tiny part of the BBC’s output.


It is indeed, and you're right to point out that a couple of licence-fee rounds have occured since the bloke joined the station. It's not something that I feel a need to be "convicted" about - but my opinion is still my opinion and - as a stakeholder - I'm entitled to it.

John W wrote:
All that's wrong is you hijacked this thread (after someone enquired about the absent gfloyd) to rant about Evans


And where, exactly, was I "ranting" in the thread? A made a little joke, that's all. Can't people take even tiny jokes around here? Is that why there are so few members and even fewer participating members?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And where, exactly, was I "ranting" in the thread? A made a little joke, that's all. Can't people take even tiny jokes around here? Is that why there are so few members and even fewer participating members?



I didn't say you were ranting, I said you hijacked the thread (in order) to rant. The thread is moved here so that you can rant.

Most members who have left this forum have said that they left because of ranters and thread hijackers.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
colby wrote:
And where, exactly, was I "ranting" in the thread? A made a little joke, that's all. Can't people take even tiny jokes around here? Is that why there are so few members and even fewer participating members?



I didn't say you were ranting, I said you hijacked the thread (in order) to rant. The thread is moved here so that you can rant.


But it has never been my intention to rant about anything, and I don't think any of posts display any evidence of ranting, either!

John W wrote:
Most members who have left this forum have said that they left because of ranters and thread hijackers.


And quite right too.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
but my opinion is still my opinion and - as a stakeholder - I'm entitled to it.

John W wrote:
All that's wrong is you hijacked this thread (after someone enquired about the absent gfloyd) to rant about Evans




Stakeholder – “a person, group, organization, or system who affects or can be affected by an organization's actions.”

Colby, how exactly does not listening to Chris Evans affect you?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
colby wrote:
but my opinion is still my opinion and - as a stakeholder - I'm entitled to it.

John W wrote:
All that's wrong is you hijacked this thread (after someone enquired about the absent gfloyd) to rant about Evans




Stakeholder – “a person, group, organization, or system who affects or can be affected by an organization's actions.”

Colby, how exactly does not listening to Chris Evans affect you?


It denies me the pleasure of what I could be listening to at that time of day, weekdays. And I object to my money being blown on banality.

Next question Rachel? Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a rest you 2-why not agree to diasgree and leave it at that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:

Next question Rachel? Cool


No more questions thanks, Colby. I've seen enough of yours, to form an opinion of my own.

Oh and you should read my question very carefully and then your answer with the same care -it's quite funny really. Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
No more questions thanks, Colby. I've seen enough of yours, to form an opinion of my own.


Excellent! Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but where is ernie?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, but where is ernie?


Has he taken off on his milk-cart, perhaps? It's fast, apparently! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey!, what's been going on here Shocked just chill out everyone, it's only radio not a matter of life and death.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
Blimey!, what's been going on here Shocked just chill out everyone, it's only radio not a matter of life and death.


Don’t worry Toggy, it was raining yesterday. Smile The conversation in this thread was a lot like playing one of those early 80s arcade video games with only ten levels – when you get to level ten, instead of something spectacular happening, it just loops around back to level one again (quite boring really) but since you’ve done it already you move on.
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