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Yes. In this country you're not allowed to be successful without your peers, your competition and your government calling for you to be regulated, taxed, or, in this case, dismantled and all fruits of the good work which the taxpayer has funded be given away to commercial interests which are probably largely owned abroad. 
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Commercial Radio is poor- I don't understand why anyone listens to it. It's just cheap tacky adverts for things we don't need nor want. Commerical Radio should pick up its bowling bag then haul its sorry backside off the airwaves. We could then sell the airspace to model aircraft enthusiasts.
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Well, I support the call for Radio 2 daytime shows/music to change. I've posted to the timesonline:
I think the BBC executive producers should spend more time trying to give three of their stations an IDENTITY, make the stations more different from each other. Radio 1, Radio 2 and 6music.
An example of how difficult it currently is to describe three of the stations' identities is seen on the BBC's own iplayer page. This is how that page describes the three stations:
BBC Radio 1
- Entertainment, Pop & Chart, Rock & Indie, more...
BBC Radio 2
- Entertainment, Comedy, Pop & Chart, Folk, more...
BBC 6music
- Entertainment, Rock & Indie, Pop & Chart, more...
Now, I accept each station can 'entertain' differently but why do all three cater for 'Pop & Chart'?
There is something fundamentally wrong there, and it comes down to a failure to meet the station remits/licences.
When you think about it, most commercial stations are mainly 'Pop & Chart' so why should THREE BBC stations try to compete with them AND with each other?
Radio 2 in particular has a remit to COMPLEMENT the commercial output, provide something different rather than compete. The daytime hours of Radio 2 in particular fail to complement the commercial output.
I don't purposely listen to Radio 1 or 6music, but I do scan the DAB knob during the daytime hours if I'm at home and it's mainly pop/chart post-1980 all the time on all three stations.
Millions of people sitting at home enjoy other music. It's time that the BBC Radio 2 executives accept that millions of people who are at home in the DAYTIME, like 'light' music, like jazz, swing, stylish vocalists, light classical, and 'variety' music, and I don't just mean OLD records, as there are artistes today who perform light music.
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Eloquently put, John. Thank you.
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I personally wish daytime Radio 2 would go back to how it used to be about 10 years ago.
It had so much variety, you could hear Ella Fitzgerald next to Led Zeppelin, Matt Monro next to Pink Floyd etc etc.
Music on Radio is so exciting when you don't know what's coming next, be it a love song, a rock song, a great group, a trad jazz record, a comedy record, a forgotten band that you've never heard of, and so on.
Now, you know EXACTLY what songs are going to be played over and over again and again and again until you hate them..
How are younger listeners going to get to hear all the great older records through Radio as I did through Radio 2 when I was younger.?
You only have to listen to the non stop oldies or tracks of my years to hear that people love a VARIETY of music.
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Agree with that completely Gaz, well put.
It's part of the reason I've drifted away from Radio 2 during the daytime.
Paul O'Grady's show is good to listen to as is R&M's evening show with plenty of variety.. pity they are not on during the day but I fear Radio 2 will only sink to new lows for my taste.. 
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| John W wrote: | | Radio 2 in particular has a remit to COMPLEMENT the commercial output, provide something different rather than compete. The daytime hours of Radio 2 in particular fail to complement the commercial output. |
Just a minute. Radio 2 (and Radio 1) is a national, mass-market, publicly-funded radio station. Why does it suddenly have to play second fiddle, to COMPLEMENT the commercial ones, and not the other way around?
It is the commercial sector which has changed, from an independent local service, catering at off-peak times for the minority music tastes (Radio Trent used to have superb rock, folk, country, nostalgia, soul and jazz programmes in the evening), to a "syndicated" one serving up such a bland middle-of-the-road formula of music, as we have observed many times here. And they now have the nerve to cry foul because they are not (perecieved as being) as successful as they once were.
Radios 1 and 2 do have clear and separate identities. The playlists overlap, but I can't really imagine many people listen to both. 6 Music is the pig in the middle and it does overlap both, though possibly more 1 than 2. I'd be quite happy for the commercial sector to take over that slot, but what would they do with it?
As well as writing to Timesonline, some listeners have been writing to Auntie Gillian in the Telegraph
I spent Saturday writing to people still furious at Malcolm Laycock’s departure from Radio 2 on Sunday nights and worried about the future of the Russell Davies and David Jacobs shows. They may be heartened that RadioCentre, commercial radio’s lobby, yesterday accused Radio 2 of “prioritising popularity not public purpose” by marginalising older listeners.
Beware. Commercial stations have been complaining for years that Radio 2 steals their audiences by exercising a freedom they do not enjoy. RadioCentre, conscious the BBC Trust is already reviewing Radio 2’s music policy, has smartly seized the moment to press the case again. Trustee David Liddiment is leading the study. A reader asks where Liddiment may be contacted. Write to BBC Trust Unit, Room 211, 35 Marylebone High St, London W1U 4AA.
That reader wishes to break up the BBC. Again, I say, beware. However indefensible the BBC is in some things, in others it is invaluable. No commercial network would broadcast a Malcolm Laycock show. It’s not his listeners they want. If, however, Radio 2 no longer pleases and you either have digital access or live near to BBC Radios Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, Kent, Cambridgeshire, Northampton and Three Counties, try Paul Barnes every Saturday night at 11.00pm. He plays great songs. You might have to nag him for British dance bands.
This doesn't answer the complaint that Radio 2 doesn't play music of sufficient variety during the day - "Something different every time". While a lot of us here have catholic tastes (what a stupid, horrible phrase) and would probably love to have Pink Floyd followed by Conrad Veidt followed by Runrig followed by Eric Coates followed by Black Eyed Peas followed by Nat King Cole, we have to accept that the vast majority of the listening daytime audience probably wouldn't. You can't please all of the people all of the time; judging by the audience figures Radio 2 does still please most of them.
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| Quote: | RadioCentre has claimed that the BBC is hiring certain DJs to attract younger listeners to Radio 2 at the expense of its public purpose.
The commercial station trade body noted that 15 to 34-year-olds are the fastest-growing demographic for the station, The Times reports.
Figures also show a 7% drop in listeners aged over 65, while the number of those aged 35 to 44 has risen.
Chief executive Andrew Harrison said: "Licence fee payers' money is being used to fund an obsession with youth, as Radio 2 pursues popularity, not public purpose.
"You'd have to ask what happens if Chris Evans were to succeed Terry Wogan, who is 71, in the breakfast show. You'd risk losing the TOGs [Terry’s Old Geezers or Gals] and bring in a new swathe of younger listeners."
The broadcaster said that it would not comment on the issue while a review from the BBC Trust is ongoing, but noted that the average age of listeners to Wogan, Jeremy Vine and Dermot O'Leary is 52.
A friend of Evans told the newspaper: "You can't blame Chris, or anybody else coming into the station for being younger than the people they replace.
"If Terry Wogan leaves Radio 2, then that is because the BBC is allowing a 71-year-old to retire." |
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We all know that if Wogan did go there would be a younger broadcaster. I don't know what attraction the togs would be like towards Evans if he ever was chosen? Also we all know that there are a far to many celebs on the station either covering or hosting full time gigs. |
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We all know that if Wogan did go there would be a younger broadcaster. I don't know what attraction the togs would be like towards Evans if he ever was chosen? Also we all know that there are a far to many celebs on the station either covering or hosting full time gigs. |
Mark, they'd be COGs 
Because commercial radio is a business not a service, it shouldn't be relied upon to provide anything. Commercial radio is useless- just a vehicle for ambulance chasers. Complaining that the Beeb are stealing their listeners is like Siberia complaining that the Caribbean gets all the sun. That’s just the way it is. |
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Agree about Commercial radio, Rachel, I just wish that BBC radio 2 would stop pretending it's radio 1 and give us back our music. If I hear that bloody Mica record one more time... 
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but it's golden..  I agree, it shoould be restricted to Radio1 or CBeeBees..
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| MadeinSurrey wrote: | | Agree about Commercial radio, Rachel, I just wish that BBC radio 2 would stop pretending it's radio 1 and give us back our music. If I hear that bloody Mica record one more time... |
Oh I like Radio 2 daytime pretty much as it is, MiS, some of the music is can be a little repetitive at times but usually they're earworms- so that's ok.
Maybe Bob Shennan could do with a little nudge. It's time for the return of the R2 I-Con I think. |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | but it's golden.. I agree, it shoould be restricted to Radio1 or CBeeBees.. |
Radio One did have a few celebrities appearing on the radio. I can remember when Diana Ross stood in for Simon Bates. I guess that was just a one off and never seen or heard again on the radio. Celebrities have always been the focus on Radio. Radio 2 seem to be obsessed with them and not bringing in any proper DJ's. Richard Allinson seems to have lost his cover work. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Commercial Radio is poor- I don't understand why anyone listens to it. It's just cheap tacky adverts for things we don't need nor want. |
Er, bit of a generalisation there Rachel! The other day my wife was listening to our local "Heart" (if the word "local" and "Heart" can be used in the same sentence) and she heard a promotion for reduced-price theatre tickets. She immediately phoned up and bought some.
Hardly "things we don't need or want"!
If there was never any response to ads on radio or, for that matter, TV then the agencies would have given up placing them a long time ago.
| Rachel wrote: | | Commerical Radio should pick up its bowling bag then haul its sorry backside off the airwaves. We could then sell the airspace to model aircraft enthusiasts. |
The existence of the commercial stations is enough to remind us just how good the majority of the BBC radio stations really are, so let them continue to exist!
| Rachel wrote: | | As far as changing Radio 2 ... as you know, we don't do requests. |
Radio 2 has lost its focus and I think it needs a serious review. As Malcolm Laycock is quoted as saying, the station is too "soft-rock" focused and needs to return to a more diverse programming brief.
As for the commercial stations whinging about the beeb - yes, I think it's sour grapes. I do like Planet Rock, though; at least it's owned by musicians, and its programming content reflects this very clearly.
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| colby wrote: | Er, bit of a generalisation there Rachel! The other day my wife was listening to our local "Heart" (if the word "local" and "Heart" can be used in the same sentence) and she heard a promotion for reduced-price theatre tickets. She immediately phoned up and bought some.
Hardly "things we don't need or want"! |
Well, arguably buying discounted theatre tickets as a result of a local radio ad underlines my point about things we neither need nor want. If it was a great show, it would have been sold out weeks in advance, you’d hear people talking about it at the checkout in Waitrose and wish you’d bought a ticket. If they were begging you to buy a ticket at a reduced price on local radio, I’d give it a very wide berth. I hope you enjoy/enjoyed it.
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Radio 2 has lost its focus and I think it needs a serious review. As Malcolm Laycock is quoted as saying, the station is too "soft-rock" focused and needs to return to a more diverse programming brief.
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I disagree- Radio 2 is just fine-dandy in the main .. a little tweak here and there is all that is required.
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Precisely. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Easy - scrap the playlist, get rid of "celebrity" presenters, play a WIDE variety of music from several decades = great radio.
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| Rachel wrote: | | Well, arguably buying discounted theatre tickets as a result of a local radio ad underlines my point about things we neither need nor want. If it was a great show, it would have been sold out weeks in advance, you’d hear people talking about it at the checkout in Waitrose and wish you’d bought a ticket. If they were begging you to buy a ticket at a reduced price on local radio, I’d give it a very wide berth. I hope you enjoy/enjoyed it. |
You're missing the point. The fact that my wife picked up on the offer is a clear indication that the ad served a need; my wife heard the ad, thought "that's a good deal" and bought a ticket. So the ad was worthwhile on the part of both parties. The fact that the show was on had simply slipped her mind in the hustle and bustle of modern life, so the radio ad provided her with a timely reminder.
Of course you could (and probably will) argue that her quality of life doesn't depend upon going to the theatre on the day in question, but life doesn't work like that. We're allowed to make impulse purchasing decisions - and that's what my wife did. She's allowed to do that, you know.
| Rachel wrote: | | I disagree- Radio 2 is just fine-dandy in the main .. a little tweak here and there is all that is required. |
I think R2 is far from "fine-dandy in the main" but as it's a matter of opinion perhaps we'll leave it there!
PS: Yes, she enjoyed the show in a theatre that had few spare seats.
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You're missing the point. The fact that my wife picked up on the offer is a clear indication that the ad served a need; my wife heard the ad, thought "that's a good deal" and bought a ticket. So the ad was worthwhile on the part of both parties. The fact that the show was on had simply slipped her mind in the hustle and bustle of modern life, so the radio ad provided her with a timely reminder.
Of course you could (and probably will) argue that her quality of life doesn't depend upon going to the theatre on the day in question, but life doesn't work like that. We're allowed to make impulse purchasing decisions - and that's what my wife did. She's allowed to do that, you know. |
I’m not missing the point at all, Colby, as ever, you’re thinking far too short term. The ad, as you rightly say was maybe worthwhile for your wife, as she got a ticket at a reduced price. To say the ad was beneficial for the Theatre, is pure speculation, they may have sold only that single ticket as a result of the ad, so will have ended up way out of pocket and a great deal more.
Everyone listening to the ad will no doubt remember it subliminally – so when the Theatre puts on its next show, people will say, hang on, remember last time, we bought a ticket at full price, then a couple of weeks later they advertised them at a discount on the radio. Yes! So people will wait for the discounted tickets before buying them. The Theatre, will over time, realise that they are selling only discounted tickets, so will have to double the price and offer a 40% discount permanently; thus turning themselves into Allied Carpets… and look where they are now. Local Radio and their insidious adverts are the cause of everything bad that ever happens to a company gullible enough to believe that they work. The Theatre closes down, an indoor market moves in, full to bursting with 50p shops and drug dealers. There goes your town.
| colby wrote: | | I think R2 is far from "fine-dandy in the main" but as it's a matter of opinion perhaps we'll leave it there! |
You may leave it there but I'll decide where I leave it.
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PS: Yes, she enjoyed the show in a theatre that had few spare seats. |
I'm pleased- enjoy the theatre while it lasts |
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| Rachel wrote: | | I’m not missing the point at all, Colby, as ever, you’re thinking far too short term. The ad, as you rightly say was maybe worthwhile for your wife, as she got a ticket at a reduced price. To say the ad was beneficial for the Theatre, is pure speculation, they may have sold only that single ticket as a result of the ad, so will have ended up way out of pocket and a great deal more. |
You talk (or, in this case, write) some waffle Rachel!
| Rachel wrote: | | Everyone listening to the ad will no doubt remember it subliminally – so when the Theatre puts on its next show, people will say, hang on, remember last time, we bought a ticket at full price, then a couple of weeks later they advertised them at a discount on the radio. Yes! So people will wait for the discounted tickets before buying them. The Theatre, will over time, realise that they are selling only discounted tickets, so will have to double the price and offer a 40% discount permanently; thus turning themselves into Allied Carpets… and look where they are now. Local Radio and their insidious adverts are the cause of everything bad that ever happens to a company gullible enough to believe that they work. The Theatre closes down, an indoor market moves in, full to bursting with 50p shops and drug dealers. There goes your town. |
Blah blah blah.......... Gawd 'elp us.
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Pot, kettle, Colby! 
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| MadeinSurrey wrote: | | Pot, kettle, Colby! |
Ha ha! (At least I can recognise a wind-up when I see one!).
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I Love it.. I feel like Baldrick sometimes between these Super Wits.....
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Perhaps they should be on Saturday evening radio instead of Alan Carr!!
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| Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | | Perhaps they should be on Saturday evening radio instead of Alan Carr!! |
Bliney no. I have better things to do than be on a Radio 2 graveyard slot!
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Me too. Mind you, ANYTHING would be better than A. Carr, surely that is as far as Radio 2 can sink?
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