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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha- there's the answer..... commercial radio is only interested in selling us cornflakes, so they'll make their “breakfast” show as long as they can get away with, so they can keep firing adverts at us, ( I'm surprised there isn't an “all day breakfast show” somewhere) Radio 2 doesn't need to do that., so let's just move the start back to 07:30 and everyone will be happy.
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In a short period of wakefulness last night I had Janice on. She certainly didn't sound too happy about it, and was getting plenty of messages in support. (Then Lynn arrived, dressed all in cream, and I drifted off... Smile )
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see there is a debate going on over on the Radio 2 message board regarding Janice Long seemed to have been pennalised for this. I suppose you have to start later in the day for this. Chris Evans didn't want to start at 7.30am and was moved to 7am. Sarah isn't leaving and I guess didn't want a weekend show, or there wasn't one for her? Someone had to come out with a bad result. Janice could have started at 11pm-2am? It all depends on individual contracts. Sarah must have been offered an extra half hour

I hope Janice now will be heard during the daytime, maybe covering for Ken Bruce?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aha- there's the answer..... commercial radio is only interested in selling us cornflakes, so they'll make their “breakfast” show as long as they can get away with, so they can keep firing adverts at us, ( I'm surprised there isn't an “all day breakfast show” somewhere) Radio 2 doesn't need to do that., so let's just move the start back to 07:30 and everyone will be happy.



The offer was on the table for Evans I guess, but his terms were start earlier, so it was 7am. Or I guess it wouldn't have been worth getting out of bed for what he's going to offer and the BBC are paying him.
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So not only is it his fault that Terry is going but it's also his fault that the rest of the R2 team have to be reorganised to accommodate him.

Who runs the show Bob Shennan or Chris Evans? Difficult to see who really calls the shots at R2 these days, and don't forget who pays them? Us mugs of course..............

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever it is that Chris Evans has 'to offer' I'll be declining it! Rolling Eyes
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Ok, so what can Chris Evans bring to the 07:00 to 07:30 party that Sarah Kennedy doesn't already?.. Hang on let me think for you.... yes.... Sarah does music... and oh, what's that other thing she does.? It's on the tip of my tongue.. chat! Yes, Sarah does that too... erm ... it's getting tough now isn't it?.... oh hang on ......Travel!!! No...no no, you can't have that, Sarah has that covered too. Ok then ..... features!!! There, gotcha. Nope! Sorry! Sarah has the Show Tune feature, so you see with Sarah, we already have great music, great chit-chat, features and travel.. so........anything else? Dancing!! Doh! You got me. Sarah doesn't dance. Dam, if only she'd thought of having a dancing spot in the last half hour. Still it'll be interesting to hear Chris Evans dancing on the radio. Oh he can tap can he? Oh Marvelous! That'll work well for about 10 seconds. BUT, just to be clear, it's right that Chris will be doing Breakfast - just not from 07:00.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
...Until now it hasn't really mattered where the Radio 2 lines have been drawn, because the switch from Sarah to Terry and Terry to Ken has been seamless



That's what I was thinking.. what's the difference between SK's show and Terry's? if you have an early breakfast then Sarah's show would be a breakfast show for you.
I don't listen to SK much at all but I have heard her "review" the papers so surely that makes it more of a breakfast show than Terry's?
I wont be listening to Chris Evans either.. he tweaks my ears at teatime let alone first thing! Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And let's not forget that "allegedly" CE requested that the usual newsreaders be replaced by Moira Stewart. It seems obvious which of the two, CE or BS, is running Radio 2 these days.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="essexlady"]And let's not forget that "allegedly" CE requested that the usual newsreaders be replaced by Moira Stewart. /quote]

Well, call me cynical if you must, but I think the promotion of Moira Stewart is just another of CE's "ploys" to attempt to win the mature listeners over. This guy is one scheming, self promoting, ego centric megalomaniac. I never heard anyone make so much fuss about switching shows. Can you imagine JW holding mega concerts about switching from Drivetime to his Sunday afternoon slot and then to his Sounds of the Seventies? No, because for JW it's all about the music, and for the "ginger whinger" it's just all about him. Everything this guy does is for "public consumption", and he's just one step up from Katie Price for me.

Do I dislike him?? Well..... yes, I guess I do, a bit. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh good, another Evans bashing thread.Rolling Eyes

It's only an extra half an hour folks, sheesh!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The feeling is mutual Minx! It's the most over hyped programme change over I've ever heard. He'll come another cropper one of these days.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
Oh good, another Evans bashing thread.Rolling Eyes

It's only an extra half an hour folks, sheesh!



It's not an Evans bashing thread, Toggy. It's just some people are annoyed that Chris taking over breakfast means that three other shows are having to move/change format or be cut short. Chris will be ok on breakfast- I was looking forward to it, but having Chris start "only an extra half an hour" early during which time he'll talk for probably about only 8 or 9 minutes is causing fans of other shows to miss out on the shows they like at the times they are used to. Is 8 or 9 extra minutes of Chris Evans talking really going to save the ratings? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does push out Deadly, John, Charles and others bringing in another newreader when Chris did have a large pick of the bunch to choose from? I guessing he was given a large budget for breakfast. I'm sure Bob Shennan isn't scared as he will attract the listeners.

It's a shame Terry wasn't offered a gig to end breakfast at 02 Arena etc? As Foxy said on Drivetime on Thursday there is another drivetime to follow Chris. So saying goodbye to drivetime, hello breakfast is trying to win listeners to breakfast.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
It does push out Deadly, John, Charles and others bringing in another newreader when Chris did have a large pick of the bunch to choose from? I guessing he was given a large budget for breakfast. I'm sure Bob Shennan isn't scared as he will attract the listeners.

It's a shame Terry wasn't offered a gig to end breakfast at 02 Arena etc? As Foxy said on Drivetime on Thursday there is another drivetime to follow Chris. So saying goodbye to drivetime, hello breakfast is trying to win listeners to breakfast.


No it isn't a shame at all. The whole idea is just plain wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should we have to pay for this stupid concert at the O2? I'm presuming the BBC is funding it.

Not what we pay our licence money for is it?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree the O2 thing is way over the top.
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This is just how Evans works. He crawled back with his tail between his legs, did a few TV interviews apologising for his past and thanked LD for another chance and now he's back to the same old me, me, me style of presenting.

When are those at R2 going to listen to what the listeners want? Some people will never forgive CE for barging in on JW's job but even less now we realise that all along he was brought to R2 to eventually take over from Terry.

His presentation style is just wrong, wrong, wrong. It doesn't suit the majority of the long term R2 listener. Why they are trying to attract new listeners I'll never know. Why can't thay let those of us who refuse to change have our R2 the way we like it? There isn't a viable alternative IMO.

And the biggest shame is that in between all that egostistical drivel he actually plays some good music, it's just that I can't be bothered to listen to him

Give him a Ritalin for God's sake
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night just before the six o’clock news, Chris apologised for being a bit “me, me me” over the last few months. It was quite odd really, cos after the news he was like a different person: back to the Chris we love. Yay! That doesn’t let him off the hook with the 07:00 start for breakfast though. You know what to do Chris, just say that it was all a big tease, you were always going to start at 07:30 … go on, you can do it, if not for them, if not for me, do it anyway, and save yourself.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Radio 2 early morning schedule released Reply with quote

The way everyone tells it, Evans reminds me of a relative I know who makes everyone wait for her regardless of what their plans are!

It sounds just like a typical Boxing Day afternoon at my sister's, waiting for this person to get out of bed and grace us with her presence so we can have our tea and open our presents!
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Toggy wrote:
Oh good, another Evans bashing thread.Rolling Eyes

It's only an extra half an hour folks, sheesh!


Ah good! I thought it was just me....
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Shaky Fan wrote:
Toggy wrote:
Oh good, another Evans bashing thread.Rolling Eyes

It's only an extra half an hour folks, sheesh!


Ah good! I thought it was just me....

So why did poor Janice Long have to suffer such a savage one hour cut to her excellent show?
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Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
Shaky Fan wrote:
Toggy wrote:
Oh good, another Evans bashing thread.Rolling Eyes

It's only an extra half an hour folks, sheesh!


Ah good! I thought it was just me....

So why did poor Janice Long have to suffer such a savage one hour cut to her excellent show?


Obviously because she does not have any 'clout' and the 'whinger' does!
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I've just come back to this thread after a few days away and a few things strike me.

Why is Radio 2 different to other stations? If most commercial stations make their breakfast show run from 6am to 10am, why is Radio 2 on the third presenter by the time 10am arrives. The answer is budget. Radio 2 has the budget to pay Terry Wogan and it can afford to give him the time slot he's willing to work. And Terry attracts and holds listeners.

But, as has also been observed, the world is getting up earlier. If Chris Evans wants an earlier start, he's probably right. And Uncle Bob agrees with him, too; released from the need to accommodate Sir Tel, he's pitching breakfast somewhere closer to where he wants it. I suspect he would like an even earlier start, but he's got to move slowly to take his audience with him.

I also suspect Uncle Bob values Alex more than he values Janice, hence the oddcast and keeping the airtime, even if Alex no longer gets the same audience.

Evans started his radio career with Timmy and learned about being a showman from him, hence the O2 gig. That wouldn't have happened if the Radio 2 management didn't want it to.

Yes, the pressure to perform is certainly on Chris Evans. He's got a programme 30 minutes longer than Wogan's; if he can't match the figures, then he's failed. The comparison with Chris Moyles hosting a ever-expanding breakfast show on Radio 1 in an effort to boost figures is obvious.

Wogan has manipulated the news readers to his will. Remember Fran being moved out of the breakfast roster? Wogan now has three foils who work with his style of presentation. Chris Evans is no different; he and his team have to produce a complete "sound" ("product?") that works as a whole. He's always been good at tapping the nostalgia market as part of a larger offering and the choice of Moira Stewart fits with that. Certainly there's no doubt about her professionalism, ability and experience.

But ultimately, the reaction of the audience will be the proof of the pudding. This group isn't an accurate cross section of that audience; the very title "The Radio 2 Preservation Society" says we don't want change and we hanker for the way things were. Well, that's not Uncle Bob's brief (sorry!) and he's got to think ahead of the game by several years to keep his audience up. Yes, people will grumble and there will be a short term dip in numbers, but Chris came back from this on Drivetime to top JW's figures. No doubt Uncle Bob will be hoping for the same when Chris moves to breakfast.

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In response to your question "why should Radio 2 be different to other stations, another equally valid one. Why should it be the same as other stations?

Also Radio 2 doesn't have 4 hour long shows. The 3 hour one in the afternoon is half an hour too long IMHO. I think you alienate as much as appeal to listeners with long shows, 4 hours of someone you hate makes you switch off and stay switched off.

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Rob wrote:
I've just come back to this thread after a few days away and a few things strike me.

Why is Radio 2 different to other stations? If most commercial stations make their breakfast show run from 6am to 10am, why is Radio 2 on the third presenter by the time 10am arrives. The answer is budget. Radio 2 has the budget to pay Terry Wogan and it can afford to give him the time slot he's willing to work. And Terry attracts and holds listeners.

But, as has also been observed, the world is getting up earlier. If Chris Evans wants an earlier start, he's probably right. And Uncle Bob agrees with him, too; released from the need to accommodate Sir Tel, he's pitching breakfast somewhere closer to where he wants it. I suspect he would like an even earlier start, but he's got to move slowly to take his audience with him.

I also suspect Uncle Bob values Alex more than he values Janice, hence the oddcast and keeping the airtime, even if Alex no longer gets the same audience.

Evans started his radio career with Timmy and learned about being a showman from him, hence the O2 gig. That wouldn't have happened if the Radio 2 management didn't want it to.

Yes, the pressure to perform is certainly on Chris Evans. He's got a programme 30 minutes longer than Wogan's; if he can't match the figures, then he's failed. The comparison with Chris Moyles hosting a ever-expanding breakfast show on Radio 1 in an effort to boost figures is obvious.

Wogan has manipulated the news readers to his will. Remember Fran being moved out of the breakfast roster? Wogan now has three foils who work with his style of presentation. Chris Evans is no different; he and his team have to produce a complete "sound" ("product?") that works as a whole. He's always been good at tapping the nostalgia market as part of a larger offering and the choice of Moira Stewart fits with that. Certainly there's no doubt about her professionalism, ability and experience.

But ultimately, the reaction of the audience will be the proof of the pudding. This group isn't an accurate cross section of that audience; the very title "The Radio 2 Preservation Society" says we don't want change and we hanker for the way things were. Well, that's not Uncle Bob's brief (sorry!) and he's got to think ahead of the game by several years to keep his audience up. Yes, people will grumble and there will be a short term dip in numbers, but Chris came back from this on Drivetime to top JW's figures. No doubt Uncle Bob will be hoping for the same when Chris moves to breakfast.

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Hello Rob,


an interesting post, well, you make a few interesting points. Why is Radio 2 different to other stations? Because if it were the same,there would be no point having it. Nothing to do with budget, it's different because it needs to be.
Who says that “the world “is getting up earlier? Certainly , Alex, Sarah and Chris will be after Christmas but the rest of us: is there some EU legislation coming in to make getting up an hour earlier mandatory in the UK after Christmas? How many empty buses did Sarah see this morning? So yes OK: at least bus drivers are getting up earlier- no doubt to clock a sheet full of on-time-arrivals for the statistics, before anyone actually needs to catch one.

An even earlier start? Well my gut feeling is that the “new” morning schedule is very temporary and will last no more than three or four months. What happens after that- who knows? But the sooner Alex is back on between 05:00 and 06:00 the better. Moving Alex back an hour will ruin early morning radio. The arrogance towards and contempt for the very people whom Uncle Bob is there to serve is staggering.

Uncle Bob values Alex more than Janice- what an awful statement. Perhaps you'd care to rephrase that.

Ah Timmy Mallet – I really enjoyed Timmy Mallet... he's fantastic , maybe that's why I like Chris Evans so much.

Now the O2 gig , it's not really for the public is it? It's for London-centric arty media types- friends of Radio 2.( people with an Oyster Card) Let's face it, for anyone outside the M25, to get there and stay overnight on 23rd December is just not practical or affordable for most people. It's just a Radio 2 party that's all. One or two very lucky listeners might get a ticket but only to act as evidence of it being a public event.

Yes the proof of the pudding will be in the RAJAR figures but if Uncle bob is reduced to “hoping” that Chris will pull in lots of listeners, well: that doesn't sound very scientific to me.

The most interesting point you make is that this forum is not representative of Radio 2 listeners. Gosh! Well, if a group of Radio 2 listeners, made up from Radio 2 listeners from the four corners of the UK and everywhere in-between, in the age range 20ish to over 70ish, all of whom listen to Radio 2 on a regular ( every day) basis, isn't representative of Radio 2 listeners, then I don't know what other group could be. I assume you count yourself among our non-representative number? It's given that this forum isn't London-centric but that is what makes it so representative. Capital Cities are like Capital Letters.. on their own they mean very little, and are of little importance other than to themselves. Perhaps representative Radio 2 listeners are purist Dadaists, so don't bother to listen, after all, what would be the point?
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It was me who observed that the world is getting up earlier, based on no more scientific evidence than the knowledge that many people have further to travel to get to work these days, and that schools have generally earlier starting times, all of which prompts everybody else to get up and out earlier to avoid the peak and school-run traffic.

So by starting at 7.30 Chris is probably right in thinking that his target audience will have upped and gone before he's got going. I rather suspect that he would like an even earlier start than the one he's got.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I rather suspect that he would like an even earlier start than the one he's got.


Then he shall have it! That's the way it goes isn't it? Rolling Eyes
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If he gets much earlier I'll miss him altogether, so maybe he should start sooner!

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Yes, I suggest Evans is on from 2.55 -3.00, then all other shows to remain the same. We could then have a decent presenter on breakfast.
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According to Sarah looks like the paper review has been ditched from 11th Jan. Also Alan Dedicot will be with Sarah reading the news from 11th Jan. That may mean Alan is probarly preparing the news for Moria Stewart?
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This is bad news all round. Sarah's review of the papers has woken me up for many years, and I will really miss it. No doubt Ginger Nut has put his foot down and told the BBC that he wants to do it. As usual, what Evans wants, Evans gets Rolling Eyes . Good old Beeb : do we care what listeners and viewers want? NO. Evil or Very Mad
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I think it will have been BS not Sarah, can't say why or how I suspect.

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Helen, I didn't for a moment think It was Sarah's call, I suspect Evans's handiwork in this.
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I fail to see why Chris Evans would want to have the paper review. It stops the flow of the programme - it has always been my least favourite fifteen minutes of SK
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Really Ron - I have always enjoyed it and found it useful. As Sarah says, not everyone has a newspaper and the blind appreciate her doing it.
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Helen, I didn't for a moment think It was Sarah's call, I suspect Evans's handiwork in this.


Hi MiS Smile

No, from something that someone else has said I'd say it's not Evans.........

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I will really miss the paper review, that's one feature of SK's show I look forward to.
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I don't hear it too often but enjoy it when I do.

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Really Ron - I have always enjoyed it and found it useful. As Sarah says, not everyone has a newspaper and the blind appreciate her doing it.


Maybe Chris Evans is hoping to provide a service for the hard of hearing as well as the Blind.
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