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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:12 am    Post subject: Return of the prodigal............ Reply with quote

John,
Have decided to come back to the forum from R2, having seen the despicable way that the R2 host, Peta, saw fit to defend ageist comments, modding all those who dared to point out her lack of legal knowledge in respect of an indefensible posting by Scott Nelson.
You, at least gave some kudos to the arguments against.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The R2MB is appalling, and I can understand your motivation in defecting.

I (in more than one guise!) have been IP-blocked from that forum for posting comments and criticisms which have not only been reasonably argued but which are in keeping with my interpretation of the rules and regulations set by the BBC. However, they do have the benefit of a catch-all clause which gives the mods and admins the right to prevent any registered user from posting at any time without having to give a reason.

I guess one could brand this as "censorship" (depending upon the viewpoint being expressed), and although I wouldn't go quite that far I do think that contributors who consistently express a negative view of programme management practices aren't regarded very favourably.

It's ironic, because the more persistent (you could could say obsessive!) posters like the one to whom you refer above seem to get away with murder. Perhaps it's OK to express one's delight at the great job the presenter of "an interactive show for all the family" is doing?

Who knows?

Meanwhile, I wonder if David Cameron is contemplating the axing of those civil servants who have nothing better to do than spam and troll web forums? If so, I can think of somebody whose job would be axed immediately. Shame that, eh? Smile

Welcome back, anyhow. I came back recently after I realised that there's more potential in totally independent web forums like this than there is with the BBC's own whitewash PR jobs on the web!

I'm sure Peta works for the BBC PR department. You'd think so by reading her own posts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very out of touch with what has gone on recently as I've more or less given up message boards.

I am a bit shocked to say the least at the comments above that HE appears to have been given a free hand over the R2 boards given the trolls were the biggest cause of them closing in the first place!!! Which might have saved a few of us a lot of grief to say the least!

I personally never got that wound up by him or had a problem, but clearly many people did. I also found Peta to be a good person and she helped around the time of the DNA changeover which IMO is when everything started to go pear shaped on the R2 boards.

I think Peta has a big job on her hands with the R2 boards plus the added factor that the Hosts are not located or actually part of R2 like they used to be years ago when the boards first started, when you actually had producers of the shows etc. involved. The reality being they will never be the same again sadly that is life...although a bit bizarre agreed that one of the main trolls seems to have a free hand.

Can only suggest you send her a polite message on her h2g2 page which will appear on her list of posts here Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the beginning of the year - when the BBC were desperate to stoke up interest in Evans' appointment to Breakfast - it became abundantly clear that Peta was, and is, little more than a Public Relations mouthpiece for her employer.

I made a couple of quite reasonable points about how BBC management were in a "do or die" position with Evans and that his tenure of Breakfast simply had to work, hence the sheer amount of publicity overkill they were giving it across all media channels.

I dared to question the intelligence - let alone integrity - of those who are running the BBC in general and in return I received a couple of very stern emails telling me in no uncertain terms to stop. When I continued to voice my opinions in what is, after all, an open forum (in theory) in a manner I considered to be quite reasonable, I was summararily IP blocked. No decent, logical explanation was offered to me and they never recinded that decision. Apparently, in the terms and conditions of using the BBC messageboards they can block users for any reason they like and not be answerable to the user.

Despite still having one or two "open" user accounts (I've forgotten how many) which use different IP addresses I haven't bothered posting there for a few months now and I doubt I ever will.

And, in my personal opinion (and note that I do not necessarily represent the opinion of the owner of this forum or anybody else who posts here!) Scott Nelson has a screw loose, but that's a discussion for another day!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Colin all I can say is that it sounds well a bit worrying indeed, there is no way on principal I would have my IP blocked by the BBC without complaining. When you say emails were they personal or were they the bog standard ones you get when told off.?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BDG wrote:
Well Colin all I can say is that it sounds well a bit worrying indeed, there is no way on principal I would have my IP blocked by the BBC without complaining. When you say emails were they personal or were they the bog standard ones you get when told off.?


They were the automated ones to start with, but after I then sent emails back asking what was going on, I got a couple of personal ones - not by Peta but by "admins" who were somewhat patronising in tone. I was very, very rude to one of them!!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Th R2 message board sucks. It's run and moderated by morons. I was banned for having the username R2-Icon. ( which I'd had on there since the day it re-opend without a problem but was only banned when I posted something negative about Chris Evans.) So I rejoined, then got banned for pointing out ( rather usefully I thought) that SN was being childish. They don't want me to join again as I've also been IP blocked. I've now withdrawn all my support and interaction with Radio 2. They will of course not miss my input very much at all but I'm one of those black and white poeple, I'm either on your side, or you are the enemy. There's no grey area. My not insignificant influence, and spare time, will now be put to trying to reduce the BBC Licence fee ( popular with voters I'm sure, and the Chancellor I hear) and reducing the size of the BBC by around 30%. Watch and learn folks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I've just rejoined over there (mainly to complain about Radcliffe & Maconie) and was dismayed to discover it's not really changed in all the years I haven't used it. Quite why they tolerate certain wind-up merchants is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Around about the time that Evans started his Breakfast stint I heard from a friend of mine who works as a freelance contract broadcast systems engineer (mostly on audio network routing systems, by I won't bore you with the details) was working in Western House and he told me that there was a really negative vibe around Radio 2. Apparently a lot of people - not just presenters but also production and tech staff - were really not happy with the way that Evans had been brought in, although this was only one of a series of growing problems that have persisted in the last year or two. It appears that the controller isn't held in the highest regard by all staff either!

Anyhow, I made a jibe about the "water cooler talk" around the building and said that I knew for a fact that there was bad feeling within the network.

Peta immediately censored my message without explanation. So I posted the same thing in a slightly-reworded way. That never even appeared on the board, because they'd put me in pre-mod.

I got a very angry email from an "admin" questioning my "information" and effectively questioning the truth in my claim to know somebody "on the inside". It was a real knee-jerk, and seemingly frantic, reaction from somebody who'd obviously been told to suppress anything anti-Evans or R2 Controller. So much for "interaction".

What a prat! Does nobody in the UK know anybody who works for the BBC? I know several - I've been involved on and off with the BBC (mostly in the regions) since the late 1970s and I've seen lots of useless smart-arses like them come and go over the years.

Anyhow - guess whose fixed IP address has been permanently banned from all BBC interactive services?

You got it in one.

The big problem is that the BBC is cowering under the stairs because they're not really sure what the new governing coalition is going to do with the corporation. Perhaps that's a good thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one asking me to stop complaining about a certain person's posts on a Sunday night......

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that my IP has ever been blocked, but I think my message on the 6 music boards that had this in it: http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/RWfcZ79KRr0S_thommo-the-terrible could be in with a chance of the quickest removed record. Any ideas why?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The word idiot seems to be banned, even i***t, which was removed in double quick time this morning.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
The word idiot seems to be banned, even i***t, which was removed in double quick time this morning.


Yes, I had to suffer such indignity, too. It's very odd isn't it - especially considering what the R2MB's biggest and longest-serving troll gets away with day-in, day-out, year after year.

If you read the BBC Message Boards terms and conditions you'll see that they can effectively make any decision they like about any post and poster for any reason without any more than the most basic explanation. It has to be said that such powers are used selectively and subjectively!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's very bad form for the host to come across as being so pro Evans and more or less say we are wrong to dislike him.

I have an idea I'm on borrowed time over there at the moment!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes you wonder if there are now 10 commandments at the Beeb. No 1 being 'Thou shalt get down on bended knee & worship at the shrine of Evans, lick his boots & kiss his arse'.
Anyone got any more?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
I have an idea I'm on borrowed time over there at the moment!


To be honest, Helen, I don't know why you persevere as you do. I don't even waste energy logging in anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't bothered with the R2MB since I found this one - what's the point? I'm sorry to hear that the BBC's general arrogance has infected the mods as well. Quite frankly, I am fed up to the back teeth with the Beeb at the moment, sick of their trailers, appalled at the way they foist talentless people on us ad nauseum and fearful for their future. I hope this new government brings them down several pegs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would seem that Peta is involved with the CE breakfast show these days, well today at least, hence her pro Evans stance which I think is wrong for the host of a board. IMHO she should remain impartial.

She was somewhat rude to me (as noticed by other posters) when I suggested on the back of her response to another poster who was complaining about his dominance of the R2 homepage, that perhaps he should have his own website.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dead right H!

I thought she was extremely rude. The points you made were erudite, worthy of consideration and yet dismissed in a manner which frankly, these days, makes me loathe to contribute on that board.

I am sick to death of seeing the R2 homepage infested with Evans and his doings. To claim that there are hoards of people who are anxious to find out more about CE which necessitates plastering him all over the website, is to insult their intelligence even further, (than the fact that they are interested in the first place)! You can't avoid exposure to the CE self-seeking PR machine unless you are living in a media-free zone, which few of us are.

There are seldom less than 3 pics of the new R2Icon on the home page (sorry Rachel, that's no doubt why they objected to your nom de plume) and frankly, I've given up expecting to hear or see anything about my preferences, diminishing though they now are.

The whole R2 message board is extremely distasteful in my view. A clearly partisan host who can't help but add the irritating interrogative to the end of every posting is a bit more than I can bear, these days. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Minx I was beginning to wonder if I was going mad in thinking I'd spoken out of turn!

I wonder who decides what is the main topic of the R2 homepage?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
She was somewhat rude to me (as noticed by other posters) when I suggested on the back of her response to another poster who was complaining about his dominance of the R2 homepage, that perhaps she should have his own website.

H

Did you put in a complaint about it Aitch? Here's an E-mail addy I came across while scanning the boards this morning: radio2.hosts@bbc.co.uk
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Thanks Minx I was beginning to wonder if I was going mad in thinking I'd spoken out of turn!

I wonder who decides what is the main topic of the R2 homepage?


It will be the relevant web team editor who coordinates with the station controller and, where appropriate, programme producers. They'll get together at regular intervals to discuss web content in order to ensure a tie-in with programming plans and promotions.

So, you could say that the person who makes key decisions about R2 web content is the R2 controller himself. Oh, what a surprise!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just had a quick look over at the R2 web page. That idiot Evans is yet again featured - stupid hat (makes him look like a right nob), silly shades and annoying cheesy grin - in front of a load of Ferraris and making two "V for Victory" gestures with his hands. Sorry, Chrissy, but Churchill you ain't.

Enough.

I then check out the MB............. it's too much to bear skimming through the thread titles let alone logging in.

Saddos!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
Helen May wrote:
She was somewhat rude to me (as noticed by other posters) when I suggested on the back of her response to another poster who was complaining about his dominance of the R2 homepage, that perhaps she should have his own website.

H

Did you put in a complaint about it Aitch? Here's an E-mail addy I came across while scanning the boards this morning: radio2.hosts@bbc.co.uk


No I haven't but if it persists I will.

I just remembered that Soulsister was the other person who had her posts quoted in the press when we had all the problems over the censorship on the boards when Evans first got Drivetime. Interesting that she had the same feelings about the webpage, as she normally doesn't post on that part of the forum.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Helen May wrote:
Thanks Minx I was beginning to wonder if I was going mad in thinking I'd spoken out of turn!

I wonder who decides what is the main topic of the R2 homepage?


It will be the relevant web team editor who coordinates with the station controller and, where appropriate, programme producers. They'll get together at regular intervals to discuss web content in order to ensure a tie-in with programming plans and promotions.

So, you could say that the person who makes key decisions about R2 web content is the R2 controller himself. Oh, what a surprise!


Thanks Colin. I'm thinking of making a complaint about the webpage and the domination of Evans on it. Not right now but I'll see how things pan out.

I feel another Feedback letter coming on!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Thanks Colin. I'm thinking of making a complaint about the webpage and the domination of Evans on it. Not right now but I'll see how things pan out.

I feel another Feedback letter coming on!


Go for it, Helen! We're behind you all the way!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thatís probably correct, Minx but Chris Evans has a tough job on is hands if he is to fill the R2Iconís size sixes. The R2Icon is an indestructible uber-cool beautiful, blonde, management-protocol, cybernetic organism of perfect human female form, she has the comic genius of Joyce Grenfell, the majesty of Edith Evans, the eccentricity of Margaret Rutherford and the beguiling charm of Gielgud; her encyclopaedic knowledge is obvious, her enthusiasm informed and her style unaffected. Chris Evans on the other hand is just the middle-aged, overweight balding, hired help who happens to be contracted to work at Radio 2 for a while. As far as the R2Icon is concerned Chris Evans is in the same pile as the contract cleaners, he is just a body fulfilling a contract that meets a current need. As needs change, contracts change. The real R2Icon will endure. Smile ( I still like Chris' normal show though)

I should add that the R2Icon is a fictional character based on a blend of Kate Moss, Margaret Thatcher, Sally Traffic, Mariella Frostrup, Barbara Woodhouse, my mum in law, the lady across the road, a woman called Sally-Anne who was the most ruthless corporate animal Iíve ever come across, and just a little of myself. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:


I have an idea I'm on borrowed time over there at the moment!

H


I think the board itself is - they have just closed the Radio 1 and 1Xtra Boards.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:

I should add that the R2Icon is a fictional character based on a blend of Kate Moss, Margaret Thatcher, Sally Traffic, Mariella Frostrup, Barbara Woodhouse, my mum in law, the lady across the road, a woman called Sally-Anne who was the most ruthless corporate animal Iíve ever come across, and just a little of myself. Smile


That's a very unlikely mix, Rachel. I mean........ Mariella Frostrup??????

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I think the board itself is - they have just closed the Radio 1 and 1Xtra Boards.


Let's hope the R2 MB suffers a similar fate. It's a complete waste of web space!
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RockitRon wrote:
Helen May wrote:


I have an idea I'm on borrowed time over there at the moment!

H


I think the board itself is - they have just closed the Radio 1 and 1Xtra Boards.


I think that is because more Radio 1 listeners use the blogs and Facebook to comment on the Radio 1 and 1Extra shows Ron. That was what the Host said anyway and I can see that it could be the case.

I don't think R2 listeners use that avenue for contact and not all the shows have blogs. I don't like Facebook and wouldn't use it to leave a comment about a Radio show. I can't quite work out why you'd go to a Facebook page rather than the website of whoever/whatever you want to comment on. That's just me though!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
I can't quite work out why you'd go to a Facebook page rather than the website of whoever/whatever you want to comment on. That's just me though!


Now that all major organisations have latched on to the PR value of Facebook (software is used by the major brands to crawl social networking sites for all mentions of their brand and product names in an effort to gauge public opinion) it could be that, in the longer run, Facebook is a better public platform for protest. After all, just look at the success of the 6Music campaign and also of last year's "Christmas No.1" shocker.

The only problem with Facebook is that the anonymity of posters is much more difficult to secure; on the BBC MB's it is at least possible to assume a completely different identity and several of them (if a certain civil servant from Essex is anything to go by) but as a means of putting things onto the record Facebook is probably a better public forum these days.

Is there a BBC Radio 2 Facebook Group? I'm sure there must be, but if not I might start one!!! Smile
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There is already one set up by Peta a while ago but I don't think it's used (I wouldn't use it) that much. I prefer to keep things separate if you know what I mean.

I'm not sure if my page is still activated or not as I don't use it, apart from if I want to look at something and that is the only avenue available. Then I usually deactivate it again.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The moderating on the Radio 2 messageboard is a complete disgrace...the bias shown towards the board troll is astonishing .. reasonable posts by the board's reasonable posters are censored while the troll is left to freely post not only provocative posts but nasty ones too...
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becky sharp wrote:
The moderating on the Radio 2 messageboard is a complete disgrace...the bias shown towards the board troll is astonishing .. reasonable posts by the board's reasonable posters are censored while the troll is left to freely post not only provocative posts but nasty ones too...


Yes, I have a pretty good who you refer to. It is indeed a sham - and the reason I don't log in and post any more.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
becky sharp wrote:
The moderating on the Radio 2 messageboard is a complete disgrace...the bias shown towards the board troll is astonishing .. reasonable posts by the board's reasonable posters are censored while the troll is left to freely post not only provocative posts but nasty ones too...


Yes, I have a pretty good who you refer to. It is indeed a sham - and the reason I don't log in and post any more.
I won't name the troll (and yes we all know who we are talking about)as I suspect even seeing their own name written no matter what the context gives the troll a thrill.... Rolling Eyes
If I was so seemingly disliked (and not without reason in this case) I would never darken a messageboard's doorstep again.... Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Becky - if you search out the troll's own Facebook page (obviously you need to be a Facebook member) you'll see that his mission is to be the web's biggest troll with disruption being his main aim.

The fact that the BBC Messageboard admins allow this to continue is not good at all.
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I've seen his FB page,Colin and it only leads to the conclusion that this troll is the very thing he calls other posters, quite frequently, on the R2 board.....begins with i... Wink
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Nowadays, I can't listen to Pink Floyd's "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" without thinking of the troll in question!!! Smile
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Seems like the troll can do no wrong on the R2 boards once more. I don't think that Feedback is the right place to contact anyone got any ideas because it's really starting to get out of hand now?

I'm expecting to be put in pre mod , I've had 2 posts removed. One just said 'it's one rule for us and another for him', it's ludicrous.

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