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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Evans' "Show in a field" discussion on R2MB Reply with quote

I'll do Helen the favour of reproducing part of a thread on R2MB this morning:


Helen May wrote:
Apart from the fact I detest Chris Evans' voice so never listen, has it occurred to you that not everyone has a laptop in their kitchen or has the time to watch anything at that time of the morning? Fine if you a student, on holidays or have nothing better to do. I have one that I can use in the kitchen but it's too much of a distraction most of the time.

Also I always thought radio was to be listened to and allows you do other things while you listen. That other medium, called television was what for watching things.

H


To which the indefatigable host Peta replied:

Peta (U24) -Host wrote:


That's a really miserable response Helen May.

Loads of people absolutely loved watching it online and said so enthusiastically on the discussion area.

You obviously have time to post to message boards in the morning, which is great.

But why put a downer on it for those that did enjoy it? Each to their own, I just can't see why you have to be miserable about something other people obviously took a huge delight in.

Oh well, have a good bank holiday weekend.


What a pompous reply. "Loads of people absolutely loved...."? What bullsheizen!!!!!

It proves that Peta is little more than a cog in the BBC's PR machine. If you denigrate golden-boy Evans in any way you're castigated by the BBC robots!

Big Brother got it right (in George Orwell's "1984"):

"War Is Peace,
Freedom is Slavery,
Ignorance is Strength,
Evans is to be Adored - or else it's Room 101 for you"


PS: Mark O - please note that "Peta" is female not male as you seem to think on those appalling BBC messageboards.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It beggars belief, it really does. I agree wholeheartedly with Helen. I've never understood why people want to or have the time to watch tv on weeekday mornings, let alone why anyone would want to watch as well as listen to that buffoon who thinks he's God's gift to broadcasting.

As for"Peta"'s response...speechless. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Colin Smile

I was furious at Peta's response, what business of hers is it when I post? I was tempted to say that because I'm not Scott Nelson I'm penalised because I hate Evans.

To me it was obvious just from the name of the poster I was replying to (Sweetweet or something like that) that they spend their lives watching and tweeting!

At the end of the day who has time to watch a video of a radio programme at that time of day?

H

PS I've not even looked to see if Peta or anyone else has responded as I've just been to the dentist ugh!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadeinSurrey wrote:
It beggars belief, it really does. I agree wholeheartedly with Helen. I've never understood why people want to or have the time to watch tv on weeekday mornings, let alone why anyone would want to watch as well as listen to that buffoon who thinks he's God's gift to broadcasting.

As for"Peta"'s response...speechless. Rolling Eyes


Thanks MiS, I sometimes wonder if I'm living on the same planet as Peta.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Thanks MiS, I sometimes wonder if I'm living on the same planet as Peta.


Helen - rest assured that you're not from the same planet as her. She's from the planet Zog. I've seen her sort in "Doctor Who" (another product of the BBC).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't be bothered to post there any more, and I thought Peta's response was very, very rude.

I thought that was a very valid point you made H, and for Peta to respond like that makes me think she did too! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Evans' "Show in a field" discussion on R2MB Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Evans is to be Adored - or else it's Room 101 for you"

I still wonder if BBC employees have to swear something to that effect in front of a shrine to him as part of their induction, as suggested here: http://r2ok.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=84320&highlight=#84320
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess what I'm now in pre moderation.

I'm seriously thinking of taking it further as it's one rule for Scott and the other for the rest of us.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Guess what I'm now in pre moderation.


Welcome to the club!

Helen May wrote:
I'm seriously thinking of taking it further as it's one rule for Scott and the other for the rest of us.


I tried the complaining route when they (a) suspended my registration "pending decision by the moderation team" and then (b) was permanently banned because I privately told them that they were incompetent.

I questioned their moderation policy in the light of a certain Mr. Nelson's continued spamming and their reply was that the Terms & Conditions of Use allowed them to take whatever action against users as was deemed necessary without explanation. In other words, they can do what they like and aren't accountable to the users.

One thing I did criticise was the speed at which a pre-mod post was approved compared to the non-appearance of another one. Perhaps the clue is that the former praised the way that Evans had improved breakfast "beyond all expectations" whilst the other criticised him heavily. OK, so I know I appeared somewhat inconsistent but at least it proved a point beyond doubt. The mods are obviously on orders to help boost Evans' popularity at all costs.

It's for that reason that I think users (or at least those which Lonegroover rather quaintly calls "the Evans Detractors") are on a losing battle and that's why I don't bother with it any more.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As they were mostly for talking about sliced bread last Sunday night when Scott was running amok on the boards, it's crazy, but if it continues I'll do something about it.

One thing I'll never ever do is praise Evans........... Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
As they were mostly for talking about sliced bread last Sunday night when Scott was running amok on the boards, it's crazy, but if it continues I'll do something about it.

One thing I'll never ever do is praise Evans........... Evil or Very Mad

H

I wish you the best of luck and do please keep us posted on how it all goes.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
One thing I'll never ever do is praise Evans........... Evil or Very Mad


Well, yes. I did it only to prove a point - hard though it was!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am also in pre-mod on the Radio 2 messageboards for daring to say something supposedly negative about Sarah Kennedy-I merely suggested that perhaps Lynn Parsons should be offered the gig permanently.

Those boards are a joke-as Helen says it's one rule for Scott, and one rule the rest of us.

I wish you well Helen if you take things further.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to post on there but now use this mb instead as the people are nicer and nobody takes over
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That response is incredible. Whether you like him or not, it does seem Evans only innovation on the Breakfast Show is to add lots of video content. Surely that's a valid point for discussion about what is supposed to be a radio show?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
That response is incredible. Whether you like him or not, it does seem Evans only innovation on the Breakfast Show is to add lots of video content. Surely that's a valid point for discussion about what is supposed to be a radio show?
And surely an inappropriate one for a host to make.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Guess what I'm now in pre moderation.

I'm seriously thinking of taking it further as it's one rule for Scott and the other for the rest of us.

H


So am I!
I also questioned why its acceptable to use the word "p*ss". As a teacher I certainly think its an unacceptable swear word.

And leaving the post on the screen for all to see but to remove those complaining about it is just poor management and a spit in the face to those who care and contribute.

Let me know if you take it further Helen because I certainly want to.


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I think replying to your post on Sunday sealed my fate! I used the word reprimand with obvious connections to another poster............

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pre-modded months ago at R2MB but persisted in complaining about ageism, comments made about elder presenters by posters and by Peta for allowing comments to continue/remain, her attitude was not appropriate. I got banned soon after, though I suppose 'suspended' as my screen name remains on my postings.

It's strange that Peta seemed to change. She actually joined R2oK and exchanged a few friendly private mails with me but seems that if you don't agree with her on something then she won't listen and then cuts you off as if you were a troll.

I offered much advice based on years posting at R2MB, warning that she'd lose posters, and now all she has mainly are a bunch of posters who don't actually like Radio 2 and continually want presenters replaced.

Other than R&M fans the only supporters of Radio 2 she has are fans of SOTs and Friday/Sunday evening programmes and they are constanty abused by others. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
It's strange that Peta seemed to change. She actually joined R2oK and exchanged a few friendly private mails with me but seems that if you don't agree with her on something then she won't listen and then cuts you off as if you were a troll.
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Yet the one person who, most definitely is a troll, is allowed to remain almost unchecked over there. I wouldn't be surprised if his name wasn't spoken of in hushed tones! I notice that Peta has never posted on this board.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering if he was a stooge fake account created by them just to get a reaction from posters. I've known other message boards do it.

There is absolutely no logic why he's allowed to create a "xxx should be axed" thread daily and it not get moderated or removed. Yes, we know you think Ken Bruce, Alan Titchmarsh, SOTS, FNIMN and MC Desmo should be axed, but there's no need to keep posting it daily.

If you're reading this Peta, shame on you for ruining on what could have been a good message board and driving people away. It's no skin off my nose if you lose your job as a result of the cuts if its shown that the service isn't worth the money.
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Helen May wrote:
Guess what I'm now in pre moderation.

I'm seriously thinking of taking it further as it's one rule for Scott and the other for the rest of us.

H


My O/H thinks he gets away with it because HE (SN) is really Chris Evans! Laughing
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Looks to be all kicking off over there today! A thread entitled "Teflon Coated" by chiefbrody (U14295803) will no doubt be deleted, but I'm sure Nelson's reply will stay.

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Are Patrick Kielty and Zoe Ball no go areas For constructive criticism on this board? Why do posters get modded or banned for having their say?

I think they are both inarticulate and amateur so go ahead, ban me too
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Just made my complaint about the moderators.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/
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Have you had any response Gibbo?

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I think we should assault the moderators/admins with as many complaints as possible just to enforce the point. A few months back I email three complaints per day for several days, but of course all those after the first three were ignored. The more people that complain the better.

It's gone too far now and the R2MB serves no useful purpose at all that I can see.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lot criticize Scott Nelson for being a troll but are you any different yourselves, with your constant sniping at Chris Evans?
We enjoyed the show in the field while at work, without watching it online.
Why get so het up about something that you have no interest in?
Just because your little gang don't enjoy Chris Evans show it doesn't mean that everyone shares your views, does it?
And while I respect your opinions about not liking his show, your vicious and nasty comments about Chris are absolutely no different from Scott Nelsons comments about other presenters, and are worse a lot of the time.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gazmando wrote:
You lot criticize Scott Nelson for being a troll but are you any different yourselves, with your constant sniping at Chris Evans?


There's very little sniping here - just constructive (even if subjective) criticism - and what criticism there is is usually well reasoned in a way that Mr. Nelson's certainly is not.

He clearly sets out to provoke the strongest of reactions with his ridiculous comments, phantom schedules and rude, insulting remarks. What's even worse is that he is allowed to do so in a publically-funded web forum, whereas this is privately operated.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"One thing I'll never do is praise Evans"
"That buffoon who thinks he's Gods gift to broadcasting"
"That horrible man"
"Self serving cretin"
""Egotistical, gobby, selfish, downright irritating"
"I detest him and his voice"
"Hideous little man"
Just a tiny little collection of the posts on here, and I think there are worse but haven't got the time to look through them.
That's what I call a great selection of really CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, be proud of yourselves.
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gazmando wrote:
That's what I call a great selection of really CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, be proud of yourselves.


I can be as constructive as you like - but what is there to be constructive about where Evans is concerned? The man is about as divisive as anybody working in broadcasting at the moment - an observation that comes from within and well as without the BBC.

Expressing one's thoughts about the man in the way you've highlighted seems quite reasonable to me. To turn the table through 180 degrees, I agree with Rachel who feels that Alex Lester's considerable skill and appeal as a radio broadcaster is vastly under-rated, and he is certainly under-utilised by the controller.

There. It works both ways. Good enough?
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I don't understand it Colin.
You say "There is very little sniping here- just constructive criticism- and what criticism there is is well reasoned"
I then post a small selection of comments from different members that clearly aren't constructive or well reasoned, and then you say "what is there to be constructive about Evans?"
You just seem to be contradicting yourself there.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gazmando,

I take your point that those comments on their own do not look contructive.

But I'm sure such comments get explained in people's postings in some cases.

Chris Evans, to many posters here and elsewhere, appears to be successfully manipulating the BBC by certain of his actions, particularly his promotion of the One Show, the format of the Breakfast Show with Moira and his side kick putting him firmly 'in charge' of the show, a tiresome style of presentation which aims to justify his shouty manner, various very non-radio activities on his shows that get a high level of promotion on the radio webpages etc etc.

All of that does not appeal to a lot of people, and surely you can at least acknowledge that.


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gazmando wrote:
I don't understand it Colin.
You say "There is very little sniping here- just constructive criticism- and what criticism there is is well reasoned"
I then post a small selection of comments from different members that clearly aren't constructive or well reasoned, and then you say "what is there to be constructive about Evans?"
You just seem to be contadicting yourself there.


There's no contradiction at all. I genuinely have nothing constructive to say about Chris Evans - not only does the sound of his voice annoy me but I'm annoyed at the way the BBC is pandering to him and "bigging him up" in every way possible in order to give him a higher profile on the corporation's output channels. Even though I avoid listening to him and watching him, I cannot avoid his presence across radio and TV through his annoying and irritating self-promotion slots. I really don't care for his latest jolly (or is it a "sporting challenge") with that tiresome sporting sidekick of his and I'm sick of hearing about it on R2, on TV and on the web. There's no escape.

There's a lot of very good talent at the BBC, both in terms of presenters and also in production, but the way in which Evans is being constantly touted as the greatest thing since sliced bread is only strengthening the climate of fear and suspicion that certainly exists within the organisation. Just look at the way that Adrian Chiles was snubbed on The One Show. What was that all about? What kind of management works in such a manner? The One Show has a production team of over 100 people - and the vast majority of them were appalled at the announcement (before Chiles himself was informed) that Evans would be doing the flagship programme. It explains why the atmosphere on the Friday show is strained - cringeworthy, almost.

It's very obvious that much is afoot within Radio 2 that we're not hearing about. You can tell by listening to the station's regular presenters that all is not well. I think this negative, almost depressed, atmosphere has come about since Evans' appointment to breakfast. I also think that Sarah Kennedy's departure "under a cloud" has something to do with this. Did she have a stand-up row with the controller? Was she told to clear her desk and be escorted off the premises (so to speak)?

We won't know for a long time yet, but I just know that "the Evans factor" has much to do with it.

As for being constructive, Radio 2 employs a lot of very good and committed presenters and I'm more than happy to be constructive in my comments about them - notably Johnnie Walker (in my opinion the best broadcaster Radio 2 has), Alex Lester (who has a wonderful wit and great presence), Richard Allinson (just a good broadcaster with a superb musical knowledge), Paul Gambaccini.......... Brian Mathew.......the list goes on.

I just can't find anything constructive to say about Chris Evans.

So I won't.
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Gazmando

I'm sorry you dislike some of my comments (all of which were not written on this forum I'll add) but I, like Rachel, am a Geordie lass and as she says we tell it straight and call a spade a spade. I very rarely get angry but Evans to me is like waving a red rag at a bull.

From the day he arrived at R2 he, IMHO, has done nothing to endear himself to anyone who, and using the word that describe the purpose of this forum, wants to preserve Radio 2. He's pushed aside excellent broadcasters with every step and I really wonder where it will stop. Radio Evans? Well it's almost that now apart from the name above the door.

As Colin and John have said you either love him or hate him, and those who come into the latter camp are far from small in number.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
but I'm annoyed at the way the BBC is pandering to him and "bigging him up" in every way possible in order to give him a higher profile on the corporation's output channels.


That's my current gripe. I can take or leave CE. I like him for a while but then he gets on my nerves so I take a break and listen or watch something else.

But the way its rammed down my throat with endless trailers in other shows, the prominence on the R2 website and so on bothers me. Are the BBC flogging the proverbial dead horse or do they genuinely think that resistance is futile?
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It's all the trailers that get me as well Gibbo. I don't listen to his show but you can't escape him for the rest of the day and his prominent place almost everyday on the R2 homepage. I wonder how the other presenters feel when their shows aren't given the space they perhaps equally deserve?

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Enough is enough.

What we're doing here across several threads and sections is precisely what we're accusing Evans and the BBC of - over-exposure and frightening people away.

The trailers are no more nor less irritating than television commercials. People turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to those while they're on - why not do the same... Evans, O'Grady, Wogan, Mayo - at least it's only 30 seconds every half-hour, not five or six minutes in every twenty.

The Radio 2 home page leads with Jamie Cullum today, yesterday it was The Kiri Prize - it's bound to put there the events into which it has put the most effort.

He may not endear himself to all of us, and early impressions of Friday's The One Show are that it looks, and sounds, not so much a car crash as a motorway pile-up (which may or may not be all his fault - who's idea was it to book Katy Perry?), but, as yet, he has done nothing wrong, so there is no reason for the Beeb to give him anything other than their full support, and ignore the few dozen disgruntled message boarders who sound as bad as the man himself.

The time may come. Let's keep some of the powder dry and tend to our horses rather than shoo them off into the forest.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron

As for trailers they are on the increase, I'm sure (not just Evans either!). I rarely watch a TV one as we seem to record most commecial channel programmes and fast forward through them.

Do you really want this forum turned into a place where you can only talk about certain subjects? We complain about being treated like school children over there, surely we can have free speech here?

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.....as yet, he has done nothing wrong, so there is no reason for the Beeb to give him anything other than their full support


He gets more than just "support" from the BBC. They're promoting him heavily at the expense of many other skilled and respected broadcasters.
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I don't understand it Colin.
You say "There is very little sniping here- just constructive criticism- and what criticism there is is well reasoned"
I then post a small selection of comments from different members that clearly aren't constructive or well reasoned, and then you say "what is there to be constructive about Evans?"
You just seem to be contadicting yourself there.


The thing for me with Chris Evans is this- I like his Radio Show in the main- I like him when he’s doing just radio. When he started Drivetime, it was brilliant – I loved it- he was quite subdued at first (well subdued for him), which made the show really enjoyable. The problem with Chris Evans is, I think anyway, Radio bores him senseless- what is Radio? Just sitting in a room talking into a microphone between records- where’s the fun in that? He can do radio standing on his head but he forgets that radio isn’t about what goes in, it’s about what goes out. That is his problem. Because he is bored with the reality of doing the bread and butter of what goes in, he tries to entertain “himself” in the process- always pushing the boundaries- often with crazy – completely bonkers ideas – a show in hot-tub – a show in a field – a sporting challenge and the like. That isn’t what radio is about-(well not to me it isn't) that’s just him having fun at the input end but there’s no fun in those things at the output end for the listener-I’m not in the hot-tub, I’m not Surfing or playing Hockey, my speakers are always in the same place everyday, it makes no difference to me where he is- he could be on the moon as long as he plays good music and chats imaginatively between the tracks- that’s all we (I)want. Imagine if on the R&M show, R said, next week our show is coming from a cross channel ferry, yay!!!…M … err why?

To sum up, my constructive criticism for Chris Evans is this- when on the radio- do radio.


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