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Barty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

becky sharp wrote:
John W wrote:
becky sharp wrote:
posted, on the BBC messageboard a link to another forum ...not this one ...and said.."See you on there"


and R2ok is heavily moderated! Eh? I'm only 12 stone. Smile

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He's a card isn't he? Very Happy


He's a something, but decency prevents me from saying exactly what that something is. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: BBC board moderation - inconsistent and "political" Reply with quote

Hello everyone.

First, might I say it's a pleasure to be here and to have a voice again. I genuimely don't want to abuse this or be seen as abusing it, especially after the current dire state of my relationship with the BBC. (not just in premod but having been pitched further into the Outer Darkness, in terms of a "restricted account" - ie, barred, in circumstances I think are deeply suspicious and which I am actively challengnig,)

I have written an account of how I got to this all-time low, as so much about it does not seem to add up and it chimes uncomfortably wiyh the experience of others as related on this thread and elsewhere.

The only trouble is - it's long. I have left a copy with John Wright for him to read, and perhaps if he has no issues with length or content I will post it here. Is it possible to post a link to a version stored elsewhere, whivch might be an acceptable compromise?

But for now - glad to be back!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject: Being banned by the BBC - 2 Reply with quote

I hope this works - this is or should be a drect link to my livejournal account, where I have posted the article on being banned by the BBC.

It should appear as top article on the journal page. Read on if you like, but the rest of my scribbled stuff is mainly rubbish., about schooldays, Terry Pratchett pastiche, and so on..


http://agprov.livejournal.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Agpov. Your link works OK.

I read some of your story, all a bit painful and similar to what has happened to many folk here.


(Note: anyone wanting to know how to add links, images, smilies, quotes etc., there are some instructions (I think) in the 'Annoucements' section going back years.

There are buttons above the message section where you type, for img, url, font type/style/colour, and a good way to learn is to choose a good posting with quotes and links and images etc and click the quote button top-right of message and there you can see/work out how it's done, and you'll figure out what the buttons do.

There's Preview of course, and also Edit so you can correct your errors. You can do that quickly or much later (when you do it much later an edit message appears at the foot of the message).


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Being banned by the BBC - 2 Reply with quote

AgProv wrote:
I hope this works - this is or should be a drect link to my livejournal account, where I have posted the article on being banned by the BBC.


Ag, I thought I was treated badly by the BBC mods but your story is appalling!

I'll say it again: something's bubbling at the Beeb that we don't yet know about. They're super-paranoid at the moment. Why?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John

Appreciate what you are saying about closing this board, but can understand why it has had so many recent postings.
Many of us especially recent members like myself, who have gone down the route of
a) Whoever is this rude person?
b)Why am I not allowed to criticise, complain or have any of his posts removed?
c) Why are my posts removed when I say anything that he does not agree with
d) Is there anything more sinister behind this, if not the mouthpiece of the BBC, are his postings being encouraged by them to voice their opinions
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: BBC board moderation - inconsistent and "political& Reply with quote

AgProv wrote:

I have written an account of how I got to this all-time low, as so much about it does not seem to add up and it chimes uncomfortably wiyh the experience of others as related on this thread and elsewhere.


I read your account of your treatment at the hands of the BBC Moderators with interest, AgProv. It leaves a nasty taste, but sounds fairly typical of what has happened to a number of us, although it may be more extreme in degree.

Sad to hear of your disappointment at being excluded from h2g2, but in the short time I have been here, I have found this a much friendlier place than the BBC Radio 2 Message Boards!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BBC didn't like freedom of speech. They can all make excuses to why these Message boards" are closing. I don't condem those who slag people off and make it personal, but I do object to discussions being removed for know reason. There needs to be a committee set up across the UK for the listeners to be able to meet up with bosses at the BBC. At the end of the day they forget we pay for the service. We expect to be respected.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadie Su wrote:
d) Is there anything more sinister behind this, if not the mouthpiece of the BBC, are his postings being encouraged by them to voice their opinions


That's my favoured option. I can't see how the MB admin team can justify their cock-eyed actions unless this was the motive.

I love juicy conspiracy theories - and this is a prime candidate.

Like I've said a few times already - something's up!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be interested to know that Peta only has 9 friends on Facebook. Guess who one of 'em is?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may be interested to know that Peta only has 9 friends on Facebook. Guess who one of 'em is?


Let me guess - her co-conspirator and/or her alter ego?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian, when you say Peta's FB page, is that a R2 based page or her personal page?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
Ian, when you say Peta's FB page, is that a R2 based page or her personal page?


It doesn't really matter, since individual Members (who have "friends" associated with their registration) are in turn associated with "groups" (eg: The BBC Radio 2 group). So we're probably talking about Peta's "Facebook friends".
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now here's a thing: the contents of 'Radio 2 Messageboard Closing' and 'Goodbye and Thank You' have been wiped (at least this is what I found when I went to have a look at the last goodbyes).

Others - like 'Chris Evans is the Most Talented Presenter' still have their content!

Interesting.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed Colin, I have a FB account so I understand the dynamic, I was simply interested to see if we were getting a balanced understanding of said friendship. It would explain quite a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it (probably from reading the Radio 3 board), the moderation of the board is done by an external company. I wonder who owns them?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
Indeed Colin, I have a FB account so I understand the dynamic, I was simply interested to see if we were getting a balanced understanding of said friendship. It would explain quite a lot.


Sorry - I replied too quickly before reading your post properly. Yes, I think it's Peta's own associations. That said, I don't know for sure because I can't find her profile.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JQW wrote:
As I understand it (probably from reading the Radio 3 board), the moderation of the board is done by an external company. I wonder who owns them?


Some of the online moderation and management is contracted out, though I've been told that Peta has a desk within the main Radio 2 production office in Western House. I think she works on freelance contract for the Beeb.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A company called Tempero.

What is more interesting is what OTHER websites have got to say about Tempero.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalmatina wrote:
A company called Tempero.

What is more interesting is what OTHER websites have got to say about Tempero.


You can't really blame them - they're only doing what their contract would require them to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
Ian, when you say Peta's FB page, is that a R2 based page or her personal page?

She seems to have 2 pages - a private one (that I don't think has Scott as a friend), and a BBC Music one with 9 friends including Scott. But I suppose the latter could be a fake one or something.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get mixed up with the two different ones. The one with the orange logo is the current one.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Don't get mixed up with the two different ones. The one with the orange logo is the current one.


I've just been browsing it. Some of the posts are sickly and it looks like the usual Facebook waste-of-space. Best avoided.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalmatina wrote:
Now here's a thing: the contents of 'Radio 2 Messageboard Closing' and 'Goodbye and Thank You' have been wiped (at least this is what I found when I went to have a look at the last goodbyes).



Just checked - they seem to be intact. Messageboard blip maybe?

Have said that, many other threads have completely vanished!

A good thing that some people managed to save the R&M thread. Smile


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
Don't get mixed up with the two different ones. The one with the orange logo is the current one.


I've just been browsing it. Some of the posts are sickly and it looks like the usual Facebook waste-of-space. Best avoided.


I wont be getting involved with peoples illness about Radio2.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalmatina wrote:
Now here's a thing: the contents of 'Radio 2 Messageboard Closing' and 'Goodbye and Thank You' have been wiped (at least this is what I found when I went to have a look at the last goodbyes).

Others - like 'Chris Evans is the Most Talented Presenter' still have their content!

Interesting.

Here, for posterity is the closure thread: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F14126215?thread=7756584
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Lord Evan Elpuss - I will cherish it! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalmatina wrote:
Thank you, Lord Evan Elpuss - I will cherish it! Very Happy


Cherish it quickly because it looks to me like the database is being deleted (after legally-required backups are made, of course).
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome Dalmatina. Here's how the news was told on 6 music (which is only losing one board)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb6music/F14107994?thread=7756597&skip=180&show=20

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
The BBC didn't like freedom of speech. They can all make excuses to why these Message boards" are closing. I don't condem those who slag people off and make it personal, but I do object to discussions being removed for know reason. There needs to be a committee set up across the UK for the listeners to be able to meet up with bosses at the BBC. At the end of the day they forget we pay for the service. We expect to be respected.


Mark, you suggest that the BBC is against freedom of speech. In that case, why was Scott Nelson allowed to spout his ageist, offensive, insulting, obnoxious nonsense on the R2MB?

If anyone complained about or criticised Chris Evans, their postings were removed by Peta and the moderators. She was always massaging Evans's ego on the R2MB and telling us how much of a wonderful guy he is.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Mark but your post (as referred to above) is complete rubbish and makes no sense at all!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody opened a new post on the BBC POV boards asking where the radio 2 message boards had gone and after post 5 when they expressed disquiet and said they would write to their MP, surprise surprise the whole lot disappeared, no trace remains except the section that I copied, not sure how to get it on here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone had a look at smeggys.co.uk recently
I had a quick look today and there were a few names I recognised but there didn't seem to be much there about radio or music other than the Sarah Kennedy thing
I think that was where Mr Turbo Poster himself was heading last time I had any contact with him
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadie Su wrote:
Somebody opened a new post on the BBC POV boards asking where the radio 2 message boards had gone and after post 5 when they expressed disquiet and said they would write to their MP, surprise surprise the whole lot disappeared, no trace remains except the section that I copied, not sure how to get it on here.


Not removed, just moved to 'The BBC' messageboard:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpointsofview/F1951574?thread=7771003

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Has anyone had a look at smeggys.co.uk recently
I had a quick look today and there were a few names I recognised but there didn't seem to be much there about radio or music other than the Sarah Kennedy thing
I think that was where Mr Turbo Poster himself was heading last time I had any contact with him


Just looked on there and I see the three trolls are present: Scott Nelson, Iain Smith and Major Brit. They all posted on the R2MB at one point.

Guess who they're slagging off? Sarah Kennedy.

If only the winning the Lottery was as predictable. I'd be a rich beyond my wildest dreams by now.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Barty I didn't think to look there
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Singing Kettle wrote:
Just looked on there and I see the three trolls are present: Scott Nelson, Iain Smith and Major Brit. They all posted on the R2MB at one point.

Guess who they're slagging off? Sarah Kennedy.


A good reason not to bother with it, methinks.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smeggys does have a few nuggets of info on it but the presence of nelson turns my stomach. You could predict nelsons latest hot rumour on the R2mb because Iain Smith posted it on Smeggys, hence my theory they are one and the same. Confused to be honest avoid it Very Happy
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I don't know why SuperTroll doesn't set up his own forum and invite all his AlterEgoTrolls to join in the fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that was his Forum?
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