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The Singing Kettle



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:00 pm    Post subject: R2 In Concert / Radcliffe & Maconie Reply with quote

I know I am not alone in being very unhappy about the demise of Radcliffe & Maconie on Thursday nights. R2 In Concert, in my opinion, is a complete waste of airtime and money.

Some of the concerts aired on this slot have been more than 15 years old. When the BBC Trust instructed R2 to air more live music, I'm sure it didn't mean concerts that are almost 20 years old! Rolling Eyes

Over on the now defunct R2 MB, Peta said that Bob Shennan could not find any other show which could be axed to make way for R2 In Concert. So, what does the bright spark do? He truncates the Radcliffe & Maconie show!

Ahem, Bob, you couldn't axe another show? Did you not consider removing one of these pointless shows instead?:

Alan Carr? The Arts Show*? Dermot O'Leary? Sunday Love Songs? Elaine Paige?

* R2's arts show with Claudia Winkleman is a complete waste of time.
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Nigel



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just posted very similar on Alan Carr thread, completely agree. If In Concert is to be retained Saturday evening is a much more appropriate time.

Alan Carr "show" is like listening to someone running their nails down a blackboard for 2 hours.
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The Singing Kettle



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When R2 In Concert was thought up, why didn't Bob Shennan simply axe Alan Carr, move Paul Gambaccini to 6.00pm and introduce R2 In Concert to Saturday nights instead? The show would work well alongside Steve Lamacq and Bob Harris who follow later.

Can't stand Alan Carr. I'm sick of seeing him on Channel 4 and Comedy Central.
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Themanfromuncle



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Singing Kettle,

You sound very much like Scott Nelson.

You've mentioned exactly the same people Scott always bagged on and you've even used one of his favourite words, 'truncated'. I could have sworn I was reading one of Scott's posts then.

You were still banging on about him (Scott) just this week when everyone else had dropped the subject, and have highlighted his movements on another forum.

Come to think of it, you've also used the word 'axe' as well.

Am I just imagining this?
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Dalmatina



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
You sound very much like Scott Nelson.

You've mentioned exactly the same people Scott always bagged on and you've even used one of his favourite words, 'truncated'. I could have sworn I was reading one of Scott's posts then.


Woah, woah, woah!

I am sure Singing Kettle can defend himself/herself, but no-one has the monopoly on vocabulary!

One of my favourite dismissive adjectives is 'dire', but when I joined the R2MB and saw how much Scott Nelson liked the word, it kind of lost its magic for me!

You need far more evidence than that to prove that Singing Kettle is Scott Nelson whistling down the wind!
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Themanfromuncle



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on, I was simply asking a question as I smelt a rat in the house.

If you look at the R2 closure thread on this board you will see what appears to be an obsession with Scott Nelson. Virtually every post from Singing Kettle is a diatribe promoting Nelson, although put across in a negative fashion. That is classic trolling technique - to disguise one's self by deflection whilst the subject matter remains the same. The troll actually changes tack and even insults themselves in order to push one's own agenda. We even have links to where he's posting, his Facebook page and other subject matter.

There's also the lack of posting from said contributor following signing up, that is until this whole scenario kicked off with Nelson and the closing of the R2 message board, prompting multiple posts, most on the subject of Mr. Nelson.

I made no accusation, I asked a question as I don't want to see this fine forum plagued by a clever troll. If I'm sniffing a rat incorrectly, then it shouldn't prompt anything but an answer to the simple question.

If it were me, I'd have nothing to fear by simply clearing the matter up with a simple answer. I meant no harm, that you can be assured of. I'm a journalist, so I write for a living, and I can normally tell a stylistic match a mile off. Maybe my nose is too highly tuned, maybe.......
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kengeo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
Singing Kettle,

You sound very much like Scott Nelson.


I'm new to this forum, and have been catching up on all recent threads, and I must admit the thought had crossed my mind more than once.

I was a contributor to the R2MB, and am well aware of said individual.

I gave up posting after a post questioning his destructive presence and my fear of the MB being wrapped up because of it was rapidly removed.

It turned out I was right.

Not so sure about the conspiracy theories though.
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Dalmatina



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that two of you are exploring the same path!

I've only belonged to the BBC MB, so I'm certainly no expert in posting patterns, but I'll watch events unfold with interest ...
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Barty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any chance that we can discuss Scott Nelson related issues elsewhere please? (preferably not on this board, or as a PM to John W). This thread has already drifted way off topic.

ANYWAY ........... back to the original topic. In Concert is a joke, Radcliffe & Maconie (award winning, mind you!) should never have had a show chopped to accommodate the BBC Trusts' remit for more 'live' music. Bob Shennan showed a distinct lack of respect to Radcliffe & Maconie for instigating this change.

I've emailed the BBC about this on a number of occasions but always get the 'stock' reply. I haven't seen a single person supporting this change, yet Bob Shennan hasn't even bothered to re-think it.

So much for 'our' BBC.
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Themanfromuncle



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely Barty.

I was one of the more vocal people in this regard on the old R2 message boards, and I wrote to the BBC a few times, to different people, and received the usual standard reply. A case of complete disregard for the listeners this one. I find the attitude arrogant in the extreme.

In my opinion only, Radcliffe and Maconie is the best show on R2, bar none. As you say, award winning also, which although on it's own should not be the only arm of support for the cause, is well worthy of note.

It's such a shocking display by Mr. Shennan and the Trust, it's almost unfathomable. Such a great show should be on 5 nights, let alone cut down to 3.
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kengeo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only agree, its great listening. A better bet would have been to remove the pathetic infantile Alan Carr from the Saturday schedule and place In Concert in that slot. With some good recent contemporary concerts, it would be a winner!

But don't forget, some good news, next week - for one week only they're back for four days!
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Ian Robinson
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, must agree with Barty. There's no logic in replacing actual live music on R&M with old recordings live music to meet the criteria of "more live music." Yet the BBC fail to acknowledge this.
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Barty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:

It's such a shocking display by Mr. Shennan and the Trust, it's almost unfathomable. Such a great show should be on 5 nights, let alone cut down to 3.


It's not really the BBC Trust at fault though, not directly at least. They simply said that there must be more live music on Radio 2, and Shennan interpreted that in his own way, ie "ooh, look, I'll put on some old live recordings and dump one of Radcliffe & Maconie's shows. That'll get the Trust off my back. Job's a good 'un".

Etc.

What he has singularly failed to notice is that Radcliffe & Maconie often feature genuinely live music on their shows. Almost makes me wonder if he simply doesn't like R&M .......
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Themanfromuncle



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

......if indeed he has ever actually listened to their show?
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Barty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
......if indeed he has ever actually listened to their show?


I doubt it. I mean, it's not hosted by D-list celebs is it .............. ?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the horrible feeling that Bob Shennan doesn't actually like radio at all. After all, he seems to be doing his level best to destroy it.
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Barty



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He certainly doesn't give the impression of having any respect for music. If he did then he wouldn't be employing celebs as presenters and would be promoting and increasing the proliferation of shows like those presented by Radcliffe & Maconie and Bob Harris (to name but three).
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