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Jill Hickman
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This is really scary - has Rachel been taken over by aliens?
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I can see where Rachel's coming from. Radio 2 will never please everybody all of the time either with programme material or individual presenters but all in all, with all it's faults we wouldn't want to lose it.
I'm just so glad that we now have alternatives to listening to Radio 2!
Today, I haven't drifted from Internet radio at all and what have I missed? more waffle... terrible play lists... X factor.. celeb talk... annoying trails... really annoying texts from plebs... and a presenter I can't stand to listen to!
What I have heard is really great music most of which I haven't heard before.
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Ruddles, of course they would.  They would leave like water through a 100yard crack in the Hoover Dam. People said Chris Evans wouldn’t attract listeners, and he has, anyone else, and I mean anyone else would drive listeners away. Facts, as I said before are stubborn things. Chris Evans brings in more listeners to Radio 2s weekly reach than all the other DJs/presenters added together. You’re right, it’s not rocket science.
For those whom say, it’s not about listeners- take it from me, yes it is. All you can do with a radio, is listen- that’s it, just listen, nothing more, nothing less: of course it’s about listeners. If Chris Evans’ numbers drop below 6 million- he’d discover it’s all about listeners too.
Saying radio isn’t about listeners is like Easyjet saying you can’t take a parachute on an aeroplane- where else would you take one!?
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| Rachel wrote: | | For those whom say, it’s not about listeners- take it from me, yes it is. All you can do with a radio, is listen- that’s it, just listen, nothing more, nothing less: of course it’s about listeners. |
Not strictly true, Rachel. With the Evans "show" it's about the listeners phoning in and doing silly things, encouraging Chrissy-boy to be even more silly than he is, texting in with ridiculous trivia and "interacting" with the hyperventilating host in ways that drive most sane people completely nuts.
I wish it were just about listeners..... sadly, that's not what radio seems to be about these days.
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John W
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| Rachel wrote: | so we’ve lost 2 million listeners, how do I justify my decision to my boss?
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Because Johnnie's audience is a DIFFERENT audience.
Most of the new R2 brekkie fans and pure Evans fans will go back to commercial radio or Radio 1, many togs will return, many Walker fans will return, and folks who listen whatever is on will keep listening.
Why is the NUMBER of listeners all-important to you and Shennan?
Are you saying that if the Evans replacement can't improve on 9 million he will have failed?
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And would the breakfast show, as presented by the replacement DJ, still be trailered to the point of saturation as it currently is?
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| Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | | And would the breakfast show, as presented by the replacement DJ, still be trailered to the point of saturation as it currently is? |
I very much doubt it.
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| John W wrote: | | Are you saying that if the Evans replacement can't improve on 9 million he will have failed? |
If the weekly reach goes up- not a problem, John but it wouldn't, which means they weren't different listeners after all.
| Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | | And would the breakfast show, as presented by the replacement DJ, still be trailered to the point of saturation as it currently is? |
This is where you guys really let yourselves down. It’s quite disappointing really.
You never ask the right questions, base everything on your own likes and dislikes. That’s not how life works. Sometimes you have to do things for the common good.
Colin, only a tiny percentage of listeners text/e-mail in and an even smaller percentage get read out. For the masses radio, is just listening. You KNOW that.
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| Julian Lennon was good on todays ( Tuesday ) show. |
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| It was a jolly good show this morning from top to bottom, Mark, I liked the idea of the Producer getting in single-male guests like Michael Buble as potential husband material. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Colin, only a tiny percentage of listeners text/e-mail in and an even smaller percentage get read out. For the masses radio, is just listening. You KNOW that. |
But not all presenters act in such an excitable and infantile manner when "interacting" with listeners as does Evans with his doting public. |
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| Rachel wrote: | If the weekly reach goes up- not a problem, John but it wouldn't, which means they weren't different listeners after all.
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Rachel,
But why does weekly reach have to keep going up?
When Evans was given the brekkie spot the controller knew that there WOULD be a change in who listened to him, there WOULD be a change in the audience.
If we shrink Evans show to what Wogan's was then I expect Evans new audience would be smaller than the old Wogan audience. Not just smaller but a DIFFERENT audience.
Similarly the next brekkie presenter may get a smaller audience but being so different from Evans that new presenter's audience will again be a DIFFERENT audience, so again can't say smaller is a failure.
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You are quite right John
If the BBC based everything on audience figures alone Radio 3 would have been closed down years ago
What is needed is quality broadcasting and a reasonable audience level rather than pandering to the idiots just to achieve audience share
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| ruddlescat wrote: | You are quite right John
If the BBC based everything on audience figures alone Radio 3 would have been closed down years ago
What is needed is quality broadcasting and a reasonable audience level rather than pandering to the idiots just to achieve audience share |
Trouble is that Radios 1 and 2 are being prepared for privatisation, after which the Murdoch organisation will own a significant share and will ensure that each station gives listeners what they really want.
There is no hope. |
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| John W wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | If the weekly reach goes up- not a problem, John but it wouldn't, which means they weren't different listeners after all.
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Rachel,
But why does weekly reach have to keep going up?
When Evans was given the brekkie spot the controller knew that there WOULD be a change in who listened to him, there WOULD be a change in the audience.
If we shrink Evans show to what Wogan's was then I expect Evans new audience would be smaller than the old Wogan audience. Not just smaller but a DIFFERENT audience.
Similarly the next brekkie presenter may get a smaller audience but being so different from Evans that new presenter's audience will again be a DIFFERENT audience, so again can't say smaller is a failure. |
Because an increasing reach is good for everyone, John: staying the same would be ok but just ok- in the last few posts, if you take it all together, there’s you saying the audience would be different and Ruddles saying they’d be the same with a few extra if someone else did breakie, if it were true that the Evans listeners would hang on and we’d get 7 million brand-new ones, then bring it on, baby! But you know in your heart of hearts that, it just wouldn’t be like that. There are around 13 ,14, maybe 15 million people listen to R2 at some point each week. If any new breakie presenter drew listeners from only that group, then nothing has changed. The bums on seats are same ones over the week. The management don’t give a flying toss for the listener numbers for any individual show: from where I sit a new show that brought in just 10 “new to R2” listeners would be a success. The cost of running the station is amortised across the weekly reach – the bigger the reach the more effective/efficient R2 is. That’s the deal!
The bottom line is this, if you already listen any Radio 2 show each week, then there’s no reason from a management point of view to try to get you to listen to more shows, one is enough. The point of Chris Evans was to get people who had never previously listened to R2 to listen- he did exactly that.
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| Rachel wrote: | | The point of Chris Evans was to get people who had never previously listened to R2 to listen- he did exactly that. |
..... and to jetison many of those who were existing customers. Er, sorry - listeners.
The customer is always right. Er, I mean, "listener". |
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| ColinB wrote: | ..... and to jetison many of those who were existing customers. Er, sorry - listeners.
The customer is always right. Er, I mean, "listener". |
So what is it, Colin, about ex Wogan listeners that makes them so special, that you think Radio 2 should cater only for them? Surely a listener is a listener- all equal. |
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I don't think Wogan's ex listeners think they are special Rachel, only that they won't be brow beaten into listening to an inferior breakfast show.
Most people haven't the time to search for something else (is there something better than the current offering?) at that time of the morning and if they want music, time checks and a bit of news they have just given in and left the dial tuned to Radio 2. Hence his large listening figures, but I wonder how many really like though? Something I've not done yet, I'd rather have silence as I think a lot of ex Wogan listeners would opt for.
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| Rachel wrote: | | So what is it, Colin, about ex Wogan listeners that makes them so special, that you think Radio 2 should cater only for them? Surely a listener is a listener- all equal. |
I haven't mentioned anything about Wogan listeners being "special" - I've just referred to the fact that the Controller, BBC Radio 2 evidently doesn't give a toss about alienating a large tranche of faithful listeners for the sake of bringing in his golden boy (well, I use the word "boy" when I should state "40-plus-person" but it doesn't quite have the same ring to it, obviously).
I guess what strikes me most about all this is that mainstream radio is now dominated by music-based breakfast formats whose main feature is banality. |
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| Very well put Helen and I totally agree. I breakfast and drive to work in silence. Like you, I will not be brainwashed into listening to inferior broadcasting. |
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A lot of people today just can't handle silence so they probably feel the need to have the radio on irrespective of who is the presenter
If Chris Evans left most people are not suddenly going to switch off and many more would be switching on
At least for the next couple of months I'm happy as I have an excellent breakfast show to listen to on Smooth- even with the adverts its a lot better than the Ginger one
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| Rachel wrote: | Because an increasing reach is good for everyone
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No it isn't, it's only good for those who choose to get reached.
| Rachel wrote: | The point of Chris Evans was to get people who had never previously listened to R2 to listen- he did exactly that.
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Yes but since Evans did brekkie, thousands of listeners who only listened to Wogan are now NON-listeners. They have completely abandoned Radio 2.
Statistically, taking into account the change in the length of the show time, Evans has attracted new listeners but lost MORE than he attracted. His figures for the same time are lower than Wogan. That is not success by your own standards Rachel.
And not by Shennan's standards, but he's trying to hide the failure by exending the show to catch some early risers.
| Rachel wrote: | | The management don’t give a flying toss for the listener numbers for any individual show |
And yet when a statistic of listener numbers is exceeded on any show they DECLARE WHAT A GREAT SUCCESS THE SHOW IS!
Rachel, they DO GIVE A VERY HIGH FLYING AND ACROBATIC TOSS! and you know it. And Colin's argument is sound. They want to maintain a high commercial value on Radio 2.
You are not being honest with us here.
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I can't say I was a Wogan fan, I had the radio on both at home and in the car, didn't really always get the 'in' jokes, but he was there and his company, and those around him was pleasant.
I had listened to Drivetime and had absolutely no preconceptions about Evans taking over, I even eagerly switched on at 7.00 on his first day in January. I guess I had hoped that there would have at least been some small bit of continuity from his predecessor, if only a newsreader - no one likes change.
I really cannot fully explain what it is, but I just find the whole show so bl**y objectionable, from the tones of Moira first thing to the Heloooo goodbyeeeee bit at the end.
I keep telling myself that I should let my objections drop and start listening but every time I try the guy just abjectly ****** me off! (rhymes with hisses) Sorry Chris hate the show! |
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| Rachel wrote: | | The management don’t give a flying toss for the listener numbers for any individual show |
To echo John's comment on the above, you should know that is clearly not so, Rachel. Each Producer and Executive (working in television as well as in radio) is governed by the weekly figures.
When I worked for an ITV company for a short peiod of time, my Programme Editor and Head of Department broke out into a cold sweat immediately before the publication of the previous week's audience figures. The tension was palpable. Why? Because they knew that it could affect whether the Programme Controller would be happy, whether or not the series was recommissioned, whether the advertising agencies would want to buy time within the programme and......... whether their jobs were safe for another year. It's in their interest to maintain healthy audience figures.
Radio 2 producers are in exactly the same position, and I'm sure that nice Mr. Shennan lets them know it. |
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Of course they’re concerned about listener numbers at show level, that’s their job! I’m talking about strategic level. Does the Chairman of Boots care if the Hackney branch makes a loss in a year the Corportation overall makes pot loads- no he doesn’t- The manager of the Hackney branch will care- cos his neck is on the line.
“You are not being honest with us here.”
I don’t accept that charge, John. |
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| Rachel wrote: | Of course they’re concerned about listener numbers at show level, that’s their job! I’m talking about strategic level. Does the Chairman of Boots care if the Hackney branch makes a loss in a year the Corportation overall makes pot loads- no he doesn’t- The manager of the Hackney branch will care- cos his neck is on the line.
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So, by implication, is it the case that the Controller, BBC Radio 2 isn't in the least bit concerned about any significant fluctuations in the audience figures for the weekday breakfast show? |
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| ColinB wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | Of course they’re concerned about listener numbers at show level, that’s their job! I’m talking about strategic level. Does the Chairman of Boots care if the Hackney branch makes a loss in a year the Corportation overall makes pot loads- no he doesn’t- The manager of the Hackney branch will care- cos his neck is on the line.
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So, by implication, is it the case that the Controller, BBC Radio 2 isn't in the least bit concerned about any significant fluctuations in the audience figures for the weekday breakfast show? |
That's your very first good question, Colin. Well done.
The short answer should be no, but it isn't, for reasons that are obvious if you read my earlier posts.
The R2 Controller shouldn’t care and if it were me, I wouldn’t because my strategy would be entirely different. At the moment too many of the shows fish in the same pond, which makes the biggest catch quite important- a risky strategy which only becomes apparent on the day your big boat sinks. They've been lucky so far. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | So, by implication, is it the case that the Controller, BBC Radio 2 isn't in the least bit concerned about any significant fluctuations in the audience figures for the weekday breakfast show? |
That's your very first good question, Colin. Well done. |
I'm very honoured that my very first good question was posed to your good self, Rachel. Thank you.
| Rachel wrote: | The short answer should be no, but it isn't, for reasons that are obvious if you read my earlier posts.
The R2 Controller shouldn’t care and if it were me, I wouldn’t because my strategy would be entirely different. At the moment too many of the shows fish in the same pond, which makes the biggest catch quite important- a risky strategy which only becomes apparent on the day your big boat sinks. They've been lucky so far. |
The risky strategy is surely to turn one's back on a significant part of the audience in favour of another - especially when the focus of such decision-making relates to what should be the station's flagship radio show. |
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At the moment too many of the shows fish in the same pond, which makes the biggest catch quite important |
Surely, Rachel, BBC radio shows are only fishing in the same pond if they are broadcast at the same time?
There's only one Radio 2 schedule, so Evans does NOT compete with Wright for example. They are on at different times. They may have a similar type of audience and share listeners (some offices and factories and homes have R2 on all day) but it's different audiences.
Evans does compete with Moyles. But it need not be that way. If Radio 2 got back to it's traditional role of providing music and programming for the discerning listener then R1 and R2 breakfast shows would co-exist without any thought of competing.
The shows and their listeners should be chalk and cheese, like they used to be. Nowadays they are both cheese.
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Who is brow beating you into listening to anything?
And you say Chris Evans has big audience figures because people don't have the time to retune their radio and listen even though they don't like him.
I'm sorry but that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. |
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Nobody is. Funny that Jill Hickman also agrees, but seems you just like picking on me on everything I say on the subject.
Have you never left the radio on though because there is just nothing else and you need time checks etc at that time of day? Lets face it there isn't much else to listen to if you listen live so it's sometimes easier to leave it on. I don't I hasten to add.
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| I agree with Helen. I only have 3 presets on my factory fitted car radio so I have a choice of Radios 2 & 4 and a local channel. Often listening to CE is the best of a bad job rather than manually tuning at 50 mph. |
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| gazmando wrote: | Re Helen May
Who is brow beating you into listening to anything?
And you say Chris Evans has big audience figures because people don't have the time to retune their radio and listen even though they don't like him.
I'm sorry but that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. |
My dearest Gazzers
My wife has an alarm-clock radio that's difficult to retune. It comes on at 6.25am. She listens to the absolute crap that comes out of it for the 10-15 minutes it takes her to get out of bed and prepare herself for the day ahead. She likes something - anything - on the radio in that hazy period between waking up and getting up. She endures - yes, "endures" - Evans' imbecility.
When she gets up, I stretch over, utter something in the vein of "For god's sake STFU you idiot" and then turn over and return to peace and quiet for another 30 minutes.
Helen's right. We're creatures of habit. |
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| John W wrote: | | Rachel wrote: |
At the moment too many of the shows fish in the same pond, which makes the biggest catch quite important |
Surely, Rachel, BBC radio shows are only fishing in the same pond if they are broadcast at the same time?
There's only one Radio 2 schedule, so Evans does NOT compete with Wright for example. They are on at different times. They may have a similar type of audience and share listeners (some offices and factories and homes have R2 on all day) but it's different audiences.
Evans does compete with Moyles. But it need not be that way. If Radio 2 got back to it's traditional role of providing music and programming for the discerning listener then R1 and R2 breakfast shows would co-exist without any thought of competing.
The shows and their listeners should be chalk and cheese, like they used to be. Nowadays they are both cheese. |
That’s not what I mean, John. Radio 2 shows in the daytime are all pretty samey – so it’s likely that the type of listener will be the same. If Evans attracts 9 million in the morning and Wright attracts whatever it is in the afternoon- lets say for the sake of argument and simplicity, 9 million- the chances are they’ll be mostly if not all the same 9 million listeners- so total R2 listeners = 9 million. If however you were to air completely differing styles of show throughout the day, you will attract different listeners from different ponds so the total catch at the end of the day.. is much bigger than 9 million. The idea that you should nab 9 million then just keep as many as you can of those 9 million listening all day is near infantile- my mum could come up with a better strategy than that. Technology is such that it’s very easy to switch from one channel to another- so it makes it easy to attract additional listeners by putting out unusual bait. This is exactly the kind of strategy that I thought would be right up your street. I don’t understand why you don’t get it. We need more Can-can, less Ken more Jazz, less Jezza and more style, less Steve. The bread and butter shows are Breakfast and Drivetime, at the moment the rest are just corporate ego-trip time-fillers- we should have more variety on daytime- big band not bland jingle-land. |
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I'm not picking on you at all Helen.
I know you don't like Chris, but to say that ANY DJ only gets decent listening figures because people haven't got the time to turn the radio over is just wrong.
I did try and disagree with Jill Hickman on the R2 messageboards but I received a reply written entirely in capitals, which showed she wasn't reasonable so I haven't bothered since.
I enjoy reading your posts but if I think something is absurd I can't see the problem with stating that.
Saying that if you think I am picking on you then I do apologise and say that it is not my intention.
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Well Gaz at least it makes a change from you picking on me but I have to say I do agree with both Helen And Colin about the fact that many people just leave a radio on whichever show happens to be there
The fact is there are a lot of morons out there who just want background noise and that applies to many shows not just that at breakfast
Obviously people who take the time and trouble to visit this and other fora do not fall within the 'moron' category as they take the time and trouble to express a reasoned view generally very eloquently
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| gazmando wrote: | I'm not picking on you at all Helen.
I know you don't like Chris, but to say that ANY DJ only gets decent listening figures because people haven't got the time to turn the radio over is just wrong.
I did try and disagree with Jill Hickman on the R2 messageboards but I received a reply written entirely in capitals, which showed she wasn't reasonable so I haven't bothered since.
I enjoy reading your posts but if I think something is absurd I can't see the problem with stating that.
Saying that if you think I am picking on you then I do apologise and say that it is not my intention.
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Ok Gaz, truce (there is no peace dove smiley!)
I don't think I said (I'll stand corrected if I did) any DJ only gets good listening figures because people can't be bothered to re tune. However I do think that because there is such a poor choice particularly at that time of day he will pick up some extra listeners because of this.
As Colin says radio alarms are hellish to retune, why are they made that way? Mine is ancient but the newer ones are so bright you can almost see to read a book from the light given out by the clock! The newer ones seem to be yellow. The red numerals on mine are not quite as bright as the newer yellow one that was banished to the spare room as putting a tissue over the clock sort of defeated its purpose!
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Minx
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| Helen May wrote: |
As Colin says radio alarms are hellish to retune, why are they made that way? |
It's not just the radio alarms. If I'm to retune all over the house I have to tackle radio alarms, televisions, DAB's, normal radios...... it just ain't gonna happen. Gone are the days when we had R2 all over, and enjoyed every minute of it. 
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| Rachel wrote: | Radio 2 shows in the daytime are all pretty samey - so total R2 listeners = 9 million.....
to air completely differing styles of show throughout the day, you will attract different listeners from different ponds so the total catch at the end of the day.. is much bigger than 9 million.....
it makes it easy to attract additional listeners by putting out unusual bait..... This is exactly the kind of strategy that I thought would be right up your street..... I don’t understand why you don’t get it.....
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Yes yes I get it Rachel, thanks. I just didn't think THAT was what you were getting at in earllier Evans-loving posts
| Rachel wrote: | | We need more Can-can, less Ken more Jazz, less Jezza and more style, less Steve. |
Yes Yes Yes!
| Rachel wrote: | | The bread and butter shows are Breakfast and Drivetime, at the moment the rest are just corporate ego-trip time-fillers- we should have more variety on daytime- big band not bland jingle-land. |
Yes, so you still think those two shows of cheese are essential for 9 million listeners.
But there are 9 million more like me who ignore both shows now.
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| Rachel wrote: | | The bread and butter shows are Breakfast and Drivetime, at the moment the rest are just corporate ego-trip time-fillers- we should have more variety on daytime- big band not bland jingle-land. |
I see what you mean about ego-trip time-fillers, Rachel. You can't imagine what I had to put up with on a national network radio station for a couple of mornings this week - some complete idiot repeating (yes, repeating over and over) the words "M-O-R-N-I-N-G Chris!" followed by some words of dedication by one listener to another. Then we had another "M-O-R-N-I-N-G Chris!" followed by something equally boring and then again "M-O-R-N-I-N-G Chris!" followed by yet more boring bits and then (believe it or not) another "M-O-R-N-I-N-G Chris!" which is followed again by........
.......... well, you get the idea.
Still, it beats having 3 hours of ego-trip time-fillers imposed on us at such an early hour each day! This is national network radio, after all, not Community Radio Warrington or the like. |
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