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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: It's Fish, Jim but not as we know it. Reply with quote

While in Cornwall last week with mummy-i-l: because there were no proper supermarkets, we went to a place called Morrisons- it seemed ok- very reasonably priced. Most of you know I don't eat meat ( apart from the odd Bacon Sandwich) so it's fish everyday. Anyway, while browsing the fish section in Morrisons I came across something called "Basa" fish in a pepper-crumb coating, it looked nice enough, good packaging and less than half the price of similar sized packs of other types of fish I usually get from Waitrose.

We ate it, it was ok- lots of added salt, I thought. I'd not heard of Basa fish before, so after lunch I looked it up on the web... this is what I found...

http://www.dietmindspirit.org/2008/01/30/why-you-shouldnt-eat-this-fish-pangas-pangasius-vietnamese-river-cobbler-white-catfish-gray-sole/

I'm not saying that the Basa fish is responsible for my recent illness but looking at that site, it has to be a strong candidate. I don't recall what it said on the pack about origin but it couldn't have said what the web-site says cos I wouldn't have bought it


I can't believe a UK supermarket would sell something like that. I will never shop in Morrisons again- the place should come with a health warning.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we've been eating Vietnamese River Cobbler for about a year now Rachel, from Tesco. We've never been ill, and it's quite delicious. I didn't know it was the equivalent of Panga, which we see quite regularly in Spain and in France, though we never buy it.

I notice that in the forum below the article, the correspondents raised the issue with Tesco back in 2008, and still they are selling it.

I'm not discrediting the article, but I just wonder where the proof is that this fish is universally produced in the way it says.

I have noticed that my husband glows in the dark though....... Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornwall is renowned for its fresh fish and seafood so quite frankly I don't understand why anyone there would want to eat a product imported from thousands of miles away
In my view the food we eat should be locally produced wherever possible and I certainly don't think that Rick Stein would be very impressed
What's wrong with eating the proper Cornish caught products or any other British fish for that matter
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about this, then?




What do you think that contains? (and what the hell are "signature breadcrumbs"?)
To give you the most delicious fish we use either Basa or South African Hake.
They freely admit, on their website, where it comes from - http://www.youngsseafood.co.uk/web/fish_species_info.asp?id=15 - I wonder what it says on the back of the packet.

I'm not terribly keen on fish at the best of times, being sceptical about the content and condition of the water they live in, anywhere.

There are three other versions of Young's Naturally Delicious Fish Fillets - two are basa, one is pink salmon. The range was launched last year, with a tv advert fronted by Matt Dawson.

No mention of basa on the Birds Eye site. They talk an awful lot of pollock, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: It's Fish, Jim but not as we know it. Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
because there were no proper supermarkets, we went to a place called Morrisons-


Laughing

They do place a lot of value, in their advertising, on the quality of their fresh fish and meat counters, stressing that it's always "fresh, not frozen". Vietnam is a long way for it to come without being frozen.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly:

What happened to...
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I will not be responding to any further posts made by you as it seems a pointless exercise
As they say 'Over and Out!'


I thought I was safe: you lied.


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Cornwall is renowned for its fresh fish and seafood so quite frankly I don't understand why anyone there would want to eat a product imported from thousands of miles away
In my view the food we eat should be locally produced wherever possible and I certainly don't think that Rick Stein would be very impressed
What's wrong with eating the proper Cornish caught products or any other British fish for that matter


We ate lots of fresh fish from a little wet-fish shop in Newlyn actually but
I couldn't get there for the first few days. Not that you're really interested in what I eat, you're just having a go at me, cos clearly, you have a problem with me being on this board but I'm not going to let you bully me away.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: It's Fish, Jim but not as we know it. Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
Rachel wrote:
because there were no proper supermarkets, we went to a place called Morrisons-


Laughing

They do place a lot of value, in their advertising, on the quality of their fresh fish and meat counters, stressing that it's always "fresh, not frozen". Vietnam is a long way for it to come without being frozen.


Can't say I've noticed their adverts, Ron, - but if I do they'd be wasted on me from now on. Smile It is a long way.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not terribly keen on fish at the best of times, being sceptical about the content and condition of the water they live in, anywhere.



Actually, given the conditions that chickens are reared in, even free range ones, and what pigs like doing, I shouldn't be so squeamish about fish.
Really it's just that I don't like the fishy taste! (of some of them)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Fish & Chips when I feel like them.. good job too as there's plenty of Fish & Chip shops here. We had Cod & Chips at least twice a week when I was a kid. Of course all the fish would have been caught locally back then but I really don't know nowadays..
I know that three of the traditional shops have been taken over by foreigners in the last few years after decades of ownership by local families. Not that that's a bad thing, although I stopped going to one of them as the fish taste definitely went downhill.
Being a typical stick in the mud, I'd be wary of trying anything other than Cod or Haddock.. particularly if it had a "funny name"
I remember nervously ordering a really tropical sounding white fish ( and chips) in Sarasota Florida, thinking I'd hate even the look of it!
as it was, it was gorgeous! just like Cod.
I didn't like the taste of Rock Fish when I was in the East End moons ago.. it was so dry after our beautiful locally landed Norfolk Cod.. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel when I said I would not be responding to any further posts I thought it was obvious I was talking about the thread we were dealing with at the time not threads in general but on reflection I think it might be better to extend the practice to all other threads with the exception of Mallets Mallet
I am not looking for excuses to have a go at anyone but I do strongly object to being accused of lying when just like everyone else on this forum I have the right to express a view and after all it was you who placed the post there in the first place
However probably best to let the matter rest
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
I love Fish & Chips when I feel like them.. good job too as there's plenty of Fish & Chip shops here. We had Cod & Chips at least twice a week when I was a kid. Of course all the fish would have been caught locally back then but I really don't know nowadays..
I know that three of the traditional shops have been taken over by foreigners in the last few years after decades of ownership by local families. Not that that's a bad thing, although I stopped going to one of them as the fish taste definitely went downhill.
Being a typical stick in the mud, I'd be wary of trying anything other than Cod or Haddock.. particularly if it had a "funny name"
I remember nervously ordering a really tropical sounding white fish ( and chips) in Sarasota Florida, thinking I'd hate even the look of it!
as it was, it was gorgeous! just like Cod.
I didn't like the taste of Rock Fish when I was in the East End moons ago.. it was so dry after our beautiful locally landed Norfolk Cod.. Confused


Hi SanteFe,

I'd guess the fish you ate in Sarasota was Grouper, which is gorgeous and like cod.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Rachel when I said I would not be responding to any further posts I thought it was obvious I was talking about the thread we were dealing with at the time not threads in general but on reflection I think it might be better to extend the practice to all other threads with the exception of Mallets Mallet
I am not looking for excuses to have a go at anyone but I do strongly object to being accused of lying when just like everyone else on this forum I have the right to express a view and after all it was you who placed the post there in the first place
However probably best to let the matter rest


Good, Please do.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could well have been Helen.. even now, seeing "Grouper" on the Menu would steer me away! Laughing but yes, it was delicious.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RockitRon wrote:


I'm not terribly keen on fish at the best of times, being sceptical about the content and condition of the water they live in, anywhere.



Actually, given the conditions that chickens are reared in, even free range ones, and what pigs like doing, I shouldn't be so squeamish about fish.
Really it's just that I don't like the fishy taste! (of some of them)


Ron, yeah, I guess the further we get from the food manufacturing process, the more horrified we are when we discover exactly what the process is. A facet of modern life. Smile If only we could go out there and spear a nice shark- and toast it on the beach
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No finger in the Salmon Paste jar for you then Ron! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
Could well have been Helen.. even now, seeing "Grouper" on the Menu would steer me away! Laughing but yes, it was delicious.


SanteFe,

It's THE fish to eat round there! We were taken out especially to eat grouper one night by the people who had the small place where we were staying on our first trip there. Brings back good memories!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nicest fish I ever had was Kingklip when we were in South Africa. It's a lovely, tender, white, chunky fish and best of all....... low in fat.

Lovely in crispy batter! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen, As Mrs SF is engrossed in Holby City.. Rolling Eyes I thought I'd track down the restaurant in Sarasota.
I remembered it was on a very popular ( and posh ) circular road surrounded by retail shops & restaurants and quickly found it was "St.Armands Circle" and the Restaurant is called "Hemingway's Retreat"
I also remember how I quickly adopted the Floridian Crawl as it just so hot! We started off keen looking at the stores but after an hour or so, I just wanted to get back in the car with the aircon on full.. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No finger in the Salmon Paste jar for you then Ron! Laughing


No. I used to like sandwiches made with tinned salmon, bones and skin meticulously taken out and then seasoned with salt and malt vinegar (about the only thing I liked vinegar in/on).

I do enjoy chip-shop cod/haddock and chips, and, when we're eating out I will have salmon or sea bass. They're all subtle flavours - I couldn't look sardines/herring/mackerel in the eye (!)

Minx's Kingklip sounds nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:23 pm    Post subject: It's fish, Jim, but not as we know it... Reply with quote

My little niece found a hair in her bacon sandwich in the Morley branch of Morrison's. Her mother complained to the waiter to little effect and said 'right, we'll eat elsewhere'. His response was 'I don't care where you go - I only work here'.

It's not the first time they've left hairs in food - my mum had an iced finger from there and there was a hair in it.

I'll go to Bertie's or Cafe Fude now.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
Helen, As Mrs SF is engrossed in Holby City.. Rolling Eyes I thought I'd track down the restaurant in Sarasota.
I remembered it was on a very popular ( and posh ) circular road surrounded by retail shops & restaurants and quickly found it was "St.Armands Circle" and the Restaurant is called "Hemingway's Retreat"
I also remember how I quickly adopted the Floridian Crawl as it just so hot! We started off keen looking at the stores but after an hour or so, I just wanted to get back in the car with the aircon on full.. Laughing


Oh yes St Armands Circle is posh! A good few years since I've been there though.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever since discovering it at Tesco my missus has regularly cooked a fish dish: TILAPIA

It is very tasty, and is usually boneless when presented to me on a plate Smile

Also fond of doing Sea Bass
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sea Bass is brilliant oven baked with garlic John
It also works well with halibut though neither make a particularly cheap meal
Great for a special occasion though and really easy to cook Very Happy
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