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British Lives Were Saved - George Bush Autobiography

 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:42 am    Post subject: British Lives Were Saved - George Bush Autobiography Reply with quote

British lives were saved by the use of information obtained from terrorist suspects by "waterboarding", according to former US President George W Bush.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11715577

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I wonder who these three people were?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom, Dick and Harry?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard him say he wouldn't apologise for their being no WMD in Iraq this morning on the interview because he said if he apologised it would sound like it was the wrong decision.

Oh but it was
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

undiscovered wrote:
I heard him say he wouldn't apologise for their being no WMD in Iraq this morning on the interview because he said if he apologised it would sound like it was the wrong decision.

Oh but it was


I think it would be stupid to apologise for something you have already done. You can't turn back the clock. Yes he could say "he wished he had thought it through better". It's the same old argument the media, and the public want both Blair and him to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marko, surely all apologies are for "something you have already done" Question

Do you ever say "I'm sorry, I'm going to be very rude at 3.30 this afternoon!??
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Tony Blair has said is that acting on the information they had at the time, it was the correct decision. That information rurned out to be false but NO ONE knew that at the time.
Also, it mean freeing Iraq from a really brutal & sadistic dictator & his two sons who were even worse.

As to the waterboarding, if it saved lives of innocent people in Cannary warf & Heathrow- & no one has contradicted this assertion- it may have been what was needed.
Torture should always be opposed, but at a critical time something like this, which is not actually classified as torture, may be used. But only in the moist extreme of circumstances
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
What Tony Blair has said is that acting on the information they had at the time, it was the correct decision. That information rurned out to be false but NO ONE knew that at the time.
Also, it mean freeing Iraq from a really brutal & sadistic dictator & his two sons who were even worse.

As to the waterboarding, if it saved lives of innocent people in Cannary warf & Heathrow- & no one has contradicted this assertion- it may have been what was needed.
Torture should always be opposed, but at a critical time something like this, which is not actually classified as torture, may be used. But only in the moist extreme of circumstances


Gallows humour there Clive? Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
What Tony Blair has said is that acting on the information they had at the time, it was the correct decision. That information rurned out to be false but NO ONE knew that at the time.

Yes they did - that's why a million people marched through London. I told my local MP not go with the hype and vote against - but he didn't, and was talked round by Tony Blair. At least my local MP has apologised and said it was the biggest mistake the Government made.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Clive55 wrote:
What Tony Blair has said is that acting on the information they had at the time, it was the correct decision. That information rurned out to be false but NO ONE knew that at the time.

Yes they did - that's why a million people marched through London. I told my local MP not go with the hype and vote against - but he didn't, and was talked round by Tony Blair. At least my local MP has apologised and said it was the biggest mistake the Government made.

I don't bel;ieve those million knew Saddam didn't have WMD. I think they just thought he was a genial old arab rather than the viscious dictator he was. And apart from terror in his own country, hisrole in the region was pretty bad- invasion of Kuwait, financing terrorists in Israel & so on
The only good was that Iraq countered the dominance of Iran/Syria in the region
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadeinSurrey wrote:
Clive55 wrote:
What Tony Blair has said is that acting on the information they had at the time, it was the correct decision. That information rurned out to be false but NO ONE knew that at the time.
Also, it mean freeing Iraq from a really brutal & sadistic dictator & his two sons who were even worse.

As to the waterboarding, if it saved lives of innocent people in Cannary warf & Heathrow- & no one has contradicted this assertion- it may have been what was needed.
Torture should always be opposed, but at a critical time something like this, which is not actually classified as torture, may be used. But only in the moist extreme of circumstances


Gallows humour there Clive? Shocked

Embarassed Embarassed Typo! I meant MOST. Honest Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHat was the point of sending in weapons inspectors if the answers they gave were ignored.
Hanz Blix (sp?) knew there were no WMD's and he and his team were the most qualified.

Bush would not appologise because he always thought that he should invade Iraq by any means he should apologise for forcing inteligence through that had not been verified. BUT I won't hold my breath.

Torture is wrong on every level, we will never knnow if plots were foiled by information that came about by waterboarding because they never happened. This information is not reliable, personally I would tell you anything if you scraped your fingers down a blackboard or scrunched polystirene so if I was waterboarede I'm likely to own up to shooting Lincoln
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the inspectors had just found a few rusty barrels it was clear to MILLIONS of us in Britain that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

All they had had was a handful of missiles which they had already used up in the first war (they fired them in the direction of Israel).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to into London to see that anti-war demonstration in London just ahead of the war. It was clear where their sympathies lay-dominating Trafalgar Square was an idealised portrait of the brutal Iraqui dictator Saddam Hussein. That says it all about the Stop The War Coalition.
I know some of the genuine protestors were not too pleased with this either. "I didn't come up here to support him!" I overheard one annoyed lady saying to her friends indicating the portrait of saddam Hussein
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact is whatever way you look at it Mr Blair only got a Commons majority for the war because he made serious misrepresentations about the threat posed to this country(or rather lack of it)
Hw went into the war on one basis but then altered the agenda to one for regime change without a fresh vote
People were quite right to demonstrate although I accept what Clive says about the fact that there may have been a certain number of extremists in their midst
The majority of those people knew the truth and were proved right
Iraq is more of a threat to Britain today than it was under Saddam and this is evidenced in part by the threat to Christians in Iraq only a few days ago
Britain was far better off when Saddam was in charge and whilst he may not have been a very nice man there are hundreds of similar people around the world who are equally loathsome including the likes of Robert Mugabe but I don't see the west doing much about him
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