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Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

The Times quoted a student as stating that the police had taken off the number plates of the vehicle & a police officer (joked) that the van was not insured

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Schizoidman · Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Posts: 1140 Location: Rural West Sussex

Things certainly haven't changed!
The policeman who knocked over the Big Issue seller, who later died, at a demo last year had conveniently forgotten to wear his number/ID badge!

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Schizoidman · Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Posts: 1140 Location: Rural West Sussex

He might have hit the copper's knee with his testicles!

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

I wouldn't be surprised the police could move the protesters towards Hyde Park in London to keep them away from the city, if the planned protests happen again.

Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

There was also the case of the police officer who threw a semi-conscious woman head first onto the floor of a police station & stomped on her head. This was witnessed by several officers. One of them, a female officer, reported the incident. It was all captured on the Video things in the station
The police officer was found guilty & sentenced to six months inside for GBH & other offences. Now a judge has overturned the verdict, claiming "insuficient evidence"
So police witnesses & CTV footage still not enough to convict a police officer>
Another police officer has just been convicted for a string of rapes. No doubt some judge will over turn that conviction, too
I am NOT anti police
There are many honest and very hardworking officers doing their best to protect the public day in, day out
But there are criminals & thugs in the police force & they must be rooted out
They give decent, honest officers a bad name & make it even harder for the honest, conscientious officers to do their job protecting the public

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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

I couldn't agree more Clive

There has been a huge deterioration in police standards of behaviour in the last twenty five years

Most police personnel do a great job in very difficult circumstances but I am hearing on Channel 4 News tonight that both the Chief Constable and Deputy Chief Constable of North Yorkshire Police are to appear before a disciplinary committee for allegedly having rigged job applications so they could employ members of their own families whilst blocking others from even being able to get through on phone lines

Obviously one should not pre judge the outcome of the hearing but the fact it is happening at all is of serious concern

It wasn't like that in the days of Z Cars or Heartbeat Sad

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undiscovered · Joined: 15 Sep 2010 Posts: 650 Location: Peterborough

I've seen a YT clip from last weeks protests where a medic officer went kicking in with both feet, then picked up somebody off the floor and threw them back in without checking that they were ok. A medic officer I repeat.

I can understand that adrenaline takes over in awkward situations like this, but that is what they are trained for.
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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

Yet again protesting in orderly manner is what they should be doing. Activists are causing mayhem on the streets of London. These bloody idiots should be locked up for good. Policing costs you and me in our taxes.

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

Protesters have damaged Prince Charles and Camilla car whilst they were on the way through London on the way to a Royal Variety Perfomance. A concern for security.

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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

I don't really care what you or anyone says. This is disgraceful, and yet again people like yourselves are backing these idiots on the streets. I'm not interested what you or anyone else thinks. You can't blame the Government for criminal damage.

This picture of Prince Charles and Camilla Car

http://i53.tinypic.com/t5go6t.jpg

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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

Sorry Colin I have to take issue with your suggestion that this is somehow finishing off what Margaret Thatcher failed to finish

She would not have been so stupid as to even attempt what is being done now

Whatever you might have thought of her at the time please don't compare her with what we have now
As a Tory voter even I don't agree with these proposals and some Tory MP's did have the courage to vote against the bill which I firmly applaud

Believe me there is a lot of disquiet amongst the rank and file in the Tory party and eventually that will count
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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

Sorry Colin I have to take issue with your suggestion that this is somehow finishing off what Margaret Thatcher failed to finish

She would not have been so stupid as to even attempt what is being done now

Whatever you might have thought of her at the time please don't compare her with what we have now
As a Tory voter even I don't agree with these proposals and some Tory MP's did have the courage to vote against the bill which I firmly applaud

Believe me there is a lot of disquiet amongst the rank and file in the Tory party and eventually that will count
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You know what they say about people who repeat themselves! Cool

There are obvious ideological links between Thatcherism and the new Toryism - most notably that Cameron's lot want to massively reduce the State and push social service provision out to the voluntary sector and also to philanthropy.

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

Yes Colin I hear what you're saying and I can agree with some of what you say but the point I am trying to make is that the present Coalition Government is going way beyond what Margaret Thatcher did in a number of areas as well as simply student tuition fees and its a big mistake which an intelligent politician like Mrs Thatcher just would not have made

Its ironic that she had a massive majority but held back from many measures which are being put into practice now whereas the present Tory party has no overall majority but still has been able to push them through

It says a great deal about the morals of the Lib Dems and I completely agree with you that they are going to be wiped out at the next election
I have some sadness about that in a way because my dad was a Liberal Councillor in the 60's and would be turning in his grave at how the party is behaving now had he not been cremated
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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

What a disrespectful P**** who did this. Then some are seen writing on Statue of Winston Churchill. This is very upsetting. These kids havn't got a clue what our boys and girls are fighting for. This isn't real fighting on the streets. Shameful and disgusting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337315/TUITION-FEES-VOTE-PROTEST-Thugs-deface-Cenotaph-urinate-Churchill.html

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undiscovered · Joined: 15 Sep 2010 Posts: 650 Location: Peterborough

It sickened me to the stomach to see our kids being charged by police on horseback charging our kids. At that point mid afternoon there had been no problem apart from the police had got themselves into a position of being outflancked by their own mistakes.

Mark the idiots who defaced Churchills statue etc are just that. Idiots.

Having said that more violence had been taking part inside the house of commons, a coalition founded on necessity, but neither party stood on a platform to decrease the higher education budget by 80% and increase tuition fees by 300%. There was no mandate to do this it.

Why are we the second lowest spener on education by capita in europe. Without investment in the future of the country we will be dead in the water.

What on earth were the Met/ security services doing allowing the royal car to drive close to where the trouble was. At least they now know the mood of the country
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SantaFefan · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject:

Why is it "the mood of the country"?
In my world the general feeling is that students are in the wrong and simply are not listening to the facts and figures... times are tough for all so they should pay their way too. From what I understand, the pay back scheme seems perfectly reasonable.
Funny how they spout off that the rich should fund their education and yet the proposals require that once they're "rich", they should do just that! but suddenly it's unacceptable because the boot is on the other foot..

I wasn't shocked to see the Police charge at all.. but I was genuinely shocked and angered to see a Royal Car attacked by brainless, disrespectful morons.. and I was livid to see the defaced statue of Sir Winston Churchill.. I'd lock the bastards up and lose the key for that.

We must be the laughing stock of the world right now, a Royal car attacked in London! can you imagine the US response to something like this? their Police would have pepper sprayed the culprits without a second thought.
Broken Britain is another notch up the ladder imo... Disgraceful behaviour and shouldn't go unpunished.
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It was a very poor show yesterday from the students. They lied to the Police about where they were going; they came armed with all sorts of improvised weapons on a premeditated trail of destruction and violence. From what I could gather from the few students interviewed who had a coherent argument - they’re not angry about the fees going up – they’re angry about being lied to by the Lib Dems but hey, join the club- the Lib Dems have lied to everyone since their party began- the only difference is, they are now in Government. I think the Police were very restrained yesterday- I’d have broken out the tear gas, water canon and rubber bullets. It’s simply not acceptable to allow this kind of behaviour on our streets. The students who attacked the Royal Car were lucky to escape with their lives- I would have shot them.

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Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

I wouldn't be surprised if Vince Cable hired rent a mob responseble for the violence to take the heat off himself.
Vince Cable is ludicrous. A week ago he defended himself by saying he might not back his own proposals. In the even he did.
Vince Cable has attacked Labours' new proposals of a Graduate Tax as "absurd & unworkable" yet this was the Lib Dem policy till June.
I think Ed should reconsider- adopting Lib Dem policies can only lead to disaster. After all, those polocies were dreamed up by a faulty cable

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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

Luckly that none of the royal protection police got out and shot someone. I'm sure they are restrained. I hope this may wake up Prince Charles and the Royals what this society is turning into under the current government. It be an Interesting weekly meeting between the Queen and Cameron.

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