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tiny51



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

Have been hearing on radio as i drive my truck to it's destination that apparently drivers have been requesting extra time to work. I think if the news people checked they will find it's the bosses who want to send drivers out for an extra hour, without any increase in wages. It says we can now DRIVE for 10hrs instead of 9, thats just driving then you have to add the waiting times at depots and the breaks we still have to take. Most of the time we get slagged off and complained about but now everybody wants their shops restocked it's ok for us to work harder. What I want to know is while i'm doing all this extra work what are the lazy teachers doing. 3 flakes of snow and they disappear quicker than a spanish ATC.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm I correct for HGV drivers as this policy is for Coach drivers. Tachos can run for 15 hours? You still need your legal 45 minute break after 4.5 hours driving. You still need a clear 45 hours off every 14 days.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah good govt policy. We spend 9 hrs battling thru snow ice and abandoned cars and when we are tired the solution is to make us work an extra hour. Be nice if teachers could try just the hour.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiny51 wrote:
Be nice if teachers could try just the hour.


Oh, so you don't count homework marking as unpaid work? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
tiny51 wrote:
Be nice if teachers could try just the hour.


Oh, so you don't count homework marking as unpaid work? Rolling Eyes


I have several friends who are teachers who tell me that the number of hours they have to spend "marking" isn't as great as they'd like us to believe when they make efficient use of time. I used to be a school governor and I've always felt that the number of days' holiday they have is excessive compared to those who work in the real world. I know lots of people in professional jobs who work 10 or 12 hour days for no additional earnings and who get perhaps 20 or - at absolute best - 30 days leave. Teachers have it easy by comparison, and I don't care what they say.

My daughter is heartily sick of closures due to inclement weather or "training days" (introduced by Kenneth Baker in the later 80s) because for every day her kids are out of school (outside normal holidays) she has to take a day's unpaid leave. The so-called training days are an absolute joke (especially when the occur immediately after a half-term week) and should be stopped immediately.

Funnily, we have two LGV Class 1 drivers in our family and also a Class 2, and I think all three of them work far too hard for the paltry income they receive - especially when they're working for agencies. The hassle HGV drivers get when they're on the road and trying to meet unrealistic multi-drop schedules is unbelievable, yet it's teachers who whinge about how hard life is at the chalkface!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three good reasons for being a teacher:

July
August
September
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schizoidman wrote:
Three good reasons for being a teacher:

July
August
September


.... and half-terms, and "Baker days" and mid-afternoon knock-offs........etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and a month at Christmas, and a month at Easter!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not taking sides in this little disagreement but for the sake of factual accuracy teachers actually get two weeks holiday at both Christmas and Easter but of course they also get three half term holidays in between which total three weeks

Now folks you can get on with your argument Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

tiny51 wrote:
Have been hearing on radio as i drive my truck to it's destination that apparently drivers have been requesting extra time to work. I think if the news people checked they will find it's the bosses who want to send drivers out for an extra hour, without any increase in wages. It says we can now DRIVE for 10hrs instead of 9, thats just driving then you have to add the waiting times at depots and the breaks we still have to take. Most of the time we get slagged off and complained about but now everybody wants their shops restocked it's ok for us to work harder. What I want to know is while i'm doing all this extra work what are the lazy teachers doing. 3 flakes of snow and they disappear quicker than a spanish ATC.


Hey Big Guy! Just park up for an extra hour- leave the engine and tacho going and say you were stuck in traffic- have a nice kip ... Smile Anyway don't worry too much about restocking the shops- a little bit of going without will be good for many people in this country.
It's only for 4-days - so just hang in there. Think of yourself as the Knight in shining armour, saving the day, delivering that most necessary of Christmas foodstuff- Crabsticks! Yay! Go Tiny! Yay! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
Anyway don't worry too much about restocking the shops- a little bit of going without will be good for many people in this country.


Although it could well lead to a loss of the haulier's contract - especially when they don't make their bay slots at distribution centres.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Anyway don't worry too much about restocking the shops- a little bit of going without will be good for many people in this country.


Although it could well lead to a loss of the haulier's contract - especially when they don't make their bay slots at distribution centres.

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But that happenes when the roads are closed, busy, delayed, stacked anyway- so what's your point?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
But that happenes when the roads are closed, busy, delayed, stacked anyway- so what's your point?


GPS and Traffic Master stats can tell Transport Managers when a lengthy delay is legitimate, and if deliveries to Distribution Centres (etc) are consistently late then contracts will be re-allocated. I have a friend who does a daily run of consumer electronics gear from Leeds down to Milton Keynes and if he's late for a DC bay slot more than X number of times then his company is fined £500 for each and every delay. That can wipe out the profit earned on that run.

Retail distribution is a cut-throat business these days!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Rachel wrote:
But that happenes when the roads are closed, busy, delayed, stacked anyway- so what's your point?


I have a friend who does a daily run of consumer electronics gear from Leeds down to Milton Keynes and if he's late for a DC bay slot more than X number of times then his company is fined £500 for each and every delay. That can wipe out the profit earned on that run.



More fool them for signing a contract with a stupid clause. The trucks drivers are more important than the transport managers, they're two a penny, but the truck drivers, if they had a mind to, could have this country on its knees within three or four days- they just need some resolve, a bit of solidarity and someone to stand-up for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Drivers allowed to drive longer Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
More fool them for signing a contract with a stupid clause. The trucks drivers are more important than the transport managers, they're two a penny, but the truck drivers, if they had a mind to, could have this country on its knees within three or four days-


Rachel, I don't think you quite appreciate the business of retail logistics these days!!!

If you have a transport business, you're in direct competition with other transport companies and business is not only hard to come by but very hard to retain. When you have the chance of gaining a contract with a large retailer you have to make sure you comply with all the agreements otherwise the business goes to another company.

The major retailers are the ones who impose the tightest restrictions - and often with good reason. These days, mass goods are ordered on a JIT (Just In Time) basis and that means that distribution centres have to ensure that the right allocation of space is made before a consignment is received, but in turn that means that a delivery has to be made within a very tight slot to a pre-determined bay at a DC. If that slot is missed for whatever reason it creates huge problems for the whole system - and that's why an operator will face a levy according to agreement. It can run into thousands, depending on the consignment (as my wife, who used to work in Central Buying at Argos, can tell you).

It's a fact of life. If people want all their consumable and other goods at Tesco, Sainsbury, Morrisons, Argos, John Lewis or whatever at a time that suits them then we have to put up with the existence of such operating practices. We live in a consumer society and that's a price we pay.

Oh, and by the way, a Transport Manager is not just an essential part of any logistics organisation but is also a legal requirement, as the Transport Manager is legally responsible for the correct operation of a fleet of vehicles when they're on the road in addition to all drop scheduling, etc. Drivers might drive, but TMs control the framework! Each needs each other to function properly.

Rachel wrote:
they just need some resolve, a bit of solidarity and someone to stand-up for them.


Haha! You're a closet socialist really aren't you!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blimey! I didnít know that. There was me thinking that the big supermarkets were selling us fruit and veg just on the verge of rotting because they were having delivery problems week in week out- you mean they do it deliberately? They store all the fruit and veg in a special gas in large distribution depots until itís just about to rot , then they deliver it just in time to the supermarket- so we buy it, take it home, then throw it out the rotten leftovers, and then buy some more to do exactly the same with.

It works the way you say Colin because people are greedy. It starts with consumers wanting things for nothing.

I may learn to drive a truck- start my own fleet- take over the world. Iíll call the company, Red Rachel. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
Blimey! I didnít know that. There was me thinking that the big supermarkets were selling us fruit and veg just on the verge of rotting because they were having delivery problems week in week out- you mean they do it deliberately? They store all the fruit and veg in a special gas in large distribution depots until itís just about to rot , then they deliver it just in time to the supermarket- so we buy it, take it home, then throw it out the rotten leftovers, and then buy some more to do exactly the same with.

It works the way you say Colin because people are greedy. It starts with consumers wanting things for nothing.


On the last point, I happen to agree with you. Unfortunately it changes nothing for those engaged in modern-day logistics or supply-chain management!

By the way, we're not just talking about perishable goods. It applies to all consumer goods.

Rachel wrote:
I may learn to drive a truck- start my own fleet- take over the world. Iíll call the company, Red Rachel. Smile


Go girl!! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all seem to know quite a lot about my job. Anybody want to job swap for a week. There are 168 hrs in a week and legally following the rules you can work 84 hrs but you can only work 6 days. It aint only the big man who needs to rest on the 7th day.
Will you be providing uniforms for your tpt company Rachel.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiny51 wrote:
Anybody want to job swap for a week.


Definitely not. I've spent quite a lot of time (in leaner periods) on trucks doing multi-drop deliveries and it's probably the hardest job I've ever done - largely due to stupid car users everywhere!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiny51 wrote:
You all seem to know quite a lot about my job. Anybody want to job swap for a week. There are 168 hrs in a week and legally following the rules you can work 84 hrs but you can only work 6 days. It aint only the big man who needs to rest on the 7th day.
Will you be providing uniforms for your tpt company Rachel.


All I know is Trucks are big and scary, and I like them. If your truck has one of those little bedrooms in the back of the cab- yeah I'd swap with ya. My dream lifestyle would be living in a big truck, travelling the road with my OH, the space and freedom of the open road during the day, tucked up in that little room with each other at night. The pTssssssssssssssssssof the air-brakes, the throaty roar of the engine as that little flap on top of the exhaust pipe lets everyone know youíre pulling out whether they like it or not. The double clutching (do they still do that?), the joy on the faces at the goods depots as you arrive right on time, the hassle of finding a fork-lift driver at lunch-time and the secrets of the little room.

Uniform- yes I think that would work- The Esso Tanker drivers, they have a nice uniform. Something like that maybe, but perhaps with leather shorts in the summer. I was talking to an Esso Tanker Driver the other day as I was filling up- nice chap-lovely smile, no little room behind his cab though and he wouldnít let me have a go in the driving seat. Oh go on, I said, just a quick sit in the driver's seat to see what it's like, but no he said he'd get in trouble. Oh well.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
tiny51 wrote:
Anybody want to job swap for a week.


Definitely not. I've spent quite a lot of time (in leaner periods) on trucks doing multi-drop deliveries and it's probably the hardest job I've ever done - largely due to stupid car users everywhere!


Yes but Colin these cars have the god given right to cut up trucks at roundabouts etc.

Tiny51, I sit on the other side of the desk in transport and wouldn't swap with you I had a few years multidropping and found it wasn't for me so shouting in telephones and checking tachos I found more to my liking I have the utmost respect for drivers, just as long as they stay legal.

around where I live trucks are slowly being demonised, people just don't like them going down roads owned by cars. They are just being short sighted they will soon moan when there's no milk or bread or papers in the shops in town centre.
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