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mark occomore
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 Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: Census Forms Sent Out |
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| Quote: | | The 2011 Census is getting under way, with forms posted out to households around the UK. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12661100
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If you don't fill them out you could be fined. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Census Forms Sent Out |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Quote: | | The 2011 Census is getting under way, with forms posted out to households around the UK. |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12661100
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Excellent and informative post from your news agency, Mark. Thank you sincerely.  |
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iwarburton
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I think census news coverage has been rather low-profile this time.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Does anybody know what Question 17 on the Individual Questionnaire was as it has been left blank? |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| graham b wrote: | | Does anybody know what Question 17 on the Individual Questionnaire was as it has been left blank? |
When I receive mine I'll tell you!  |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I filled mine out online. £500 Million well spent with most sent to the recycle bin. It maybe the last ever one. |
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Helen May
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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You aren't supposed to fill it in until 27th March Mark......................
Question 17 is blank on ours (O/H says so I've not looked)
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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It won't be the last ever census Mark but I don't think that's what you meant
I don't really think they can avoid sending out hard copies of census forms quite simply because although most of us here could complete ours on line there are still a significant number of households who are not on line for one reason or another and there are many older people who still prefer to rely on the old paper documents
If you are going to threaten that people will be fined for non completion of the census form it simply isn't possible to abolish the right for people to fill in a paper document and post it back
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | You aren't supposed to fill it in until 27th March Mark......................
Question 17 is blank on ours (O/H says so I've not looked)
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Yes you can. Who will be staying from 27th March. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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What I don't quite understand is that I've just watched Channel 4 News and they said that the census forms were being posted out today so why is it that so many people have already received them?
Is this yet another case of media misinformation or has the Royal Mail suddenly gone into turbo mode 
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | What I don't quite understand is that I've just watched Channel 4 News and they said that the census forms were being posted out today so why is it that so many people have already received them?
Is this yet another case of media misinformation or has the Royal Mail suddenly gone into turbo mode |
The Royal Mail would have already got them ready to post out from today onwards. The Royal mail gets paid for this. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Mark I understand that but how could people have already received them if they were only posted out today
The next delivery is tomorrow morning
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Yes Mark I understand that but how could people have already received them if they were only posted out today
The next delivery is tomorrow morning |
Correct they were posted today. The Government would have already issued them to each sorting office in advance. I wonder if they do spot checks at random if you have given false information? Seems rather time consuming at a cost. |
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Helen May
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Who will be staying from 27th March. |
Mark I'm sorry but I've no idea what you mean???
The whole object is for them all to be filled out on 27th March. Looking at it morbidly someone could die between now and then and on the other hand babies will be borne making those (and yours if you've already sent it off) completely inaccurate.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | | mark occomore wrote: | | Who will be staying from 27th March. |
Mark I'm sorry but I've no idea what you mean??? |
Don't worry. Mark doesn't either! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | | The whole object is for them all to be filled out on 27th March. |
If Mark has completed his online already then the online facility must be active now, yeah?
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Ours arrived today. Most unusual for us to get stuff early here!
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| If people listened to the news correctly. They said " It's been posted to each house hold from Monday" That would mean you will receive it from 7/3/11 onwards. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| John W wrote: | | Helen May wrote: | | The whole object is for them all to be filled out on 27th March. |
If Mark has completed his online already then the online facility must be active now, yeah? |
Well it's totally inaccurate if he's filled it in already as I've said lower down John.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Surely the whole point of having a Census is that a snapshot is taken on one particular day. Mark, have you really already done yours? If so, I am astonished that the facility is there before the due date. Shambles?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Mark, if the official statement said that the census forms have 'been posted out to every household from Monday' the earliest they could be delivered would be this morning ie Tuesday and I was simply posing the question with that being the case why did some people apparently receive them on Monday ie Yesterday
Royal Mail does not deliver items the same day so what is so difficult to understand about that
It's not me who has failed to read the statement properly
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Helen May
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Maybe they were delivered in bulk to sorting offices in the early hours of yesterday and were then put in with normal mail.
We had ours delivered yesteday and it had on the label 'walk sort'.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| My postman (who delivered our form this morning) told me that the Census forms arrived at main sorting offices by the truckload over the weekend and were pushed through the system in batches. That would explain the staggered deliveries, starting Monday morning. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Mark, if the official statement said that the census forms have 'been posted out to every household from Monday' the earliest they could be delivered would be this morning ie Tuesday and I was simply posing the question with that being the case why did some people apparently receive them on Monday ie Yesterday
Royal Mail does not deliver items the same day so what is so difficult to understand about that
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Sorry, but Mark's got it right here.
"Posted to every household from Monday" is correct, as they were sent from Head Office in advance so that the Royal Mail could start posting to every household from Monday.
If it had said "delivered to Royal Mail from Monday" or "posted from Head Office from Monday" then you could expect households to receive them from Tuesday. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to be pedantic Ian but I disagree
If the wording had said 'Delivered to every household from Monday' one would reasonably conclude that deliveries to households would start on Monday
On the other hand if the wording says 'Posted out to every household from Monday' this to me suggests that the posting out happens on Monday with the forms arriving at the households the next working day
Am I going completely mad or does anyone else interpret it in the same way as me?
I think it's a case of sloppy language having been used in this case 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | On the other hand if the wording says 'Posted out to every household from Monday' this to me suggests that the posting out happens on Monday with the forms arriving at the households the next working day |
But that's not what it said. You've added an "out" |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Wrong Ian, I haven't added an 'out'
The word 'out' was quoted by Mark in his original statement at the start of this thread and my posts were based on what he said
Anyway even if one omits the word 'out' the phrase 'Posted to every household from Monday' means sent by post to every household from that day in which case the forms would not arrive any earlier than the next working day
Quod Errat Demonstrandum as they used to say in my old school
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Wrong Ian, I haven't added an 'out'
The word 'out' was quoted by Mark in his original statement at the start of this thread and my posts were based on what he said |
You're right there Ruddles! |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| John W wrote: | | If Mark has completed his online already then the online facility must be active now, yeah? |
It is. It accepted mine on-line today. Received the forms in the post this morning.
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Helen May
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't that defeat the object though?
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It seems silly, doesn't it Helen? Perhaps they're opening the online portal early to avoid a crash on the day itself......
It does appear to defeat the whole object of having a "census day" though. |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't realise a census form could cause so many problems. Enjoy filling them out. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | It seems silly, doesn't it Helen? Perhaps they're opening the online portal early to avoid a crash on the day itself......
It does appear to defeat the whole object of having a "census day" though. |
Absolutely crazy if you ask me!
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