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There is simply no excuse for Jeremy Vine

 
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Ally Gory



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: There is simply no excuse for Jeremy Vine Reply with quote

Being aware of the Kenneth Clarke discussion yesterday, I was unable to ignore Vine's daily trespass onto Ken Bruce's programme and heard they would be discussing it on his programme.

He misrepresented what was said from the outset, did so again at the beginning of his show and, as usual, failed to appreciate what was actually said during the programme being discussed. Not only was Clarke supposed to be discussing violent crime, not rape specifically, he did specifically say "all rape is serious". When challenged with "rape is rape" Clarke very clearly confirmed there is a difference between what the law classifies as rape and what springs to mind when it is mentioned in a private discussion. Vine could not make any provision for that and argued with a studio guest on his failure to do so. It is not a complex subject, but far, far beyond Vine's comprehension.

If he can't be bothered to research and consider the topics to be discussed on his appalling programme, I would prefer it if the BBC didn't bother to retain him.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Kenneth Clarke intended to imply that there were any non serious rape cases but he chose his words badly which simply should not happen in the case of a politician with his level of experience

As with almost everything the media is trying to create major big deal out of something which was stupid but not worthy of the amount of coverage it has received

As for the Jeremy Vine Show I think this just proves the point I made many months ago that the show has become far too tabloid for my liking but this is mainly the fault of the producers not Jeremy himself

As for how well informed he is and the level of research he does I think perhaps with all his other obligations such as Eggheads and Election coverage etc he may be taking on a bit too much but I still prefer him to all the stand ins with the notable exception of Jane Hill
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Ally Gory



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid I can't accept the producers are to blame for his presentation. He asks question of those who phone in that they have given no reason to believe they know anything about, he fails to understand what has been said to him in reply to other questions and very obviously does not have enough knowledge of the subjects to ask intelligent questions of the studio experts. Some will obviously be scripted to get the discussion underway, but an intelligent and capable presenter would tailor their follow-up questions to the answers given.

I'd prefer dull to idiotic, so any of his stand-ins would be fine, especially Paddy Whatshisface. I thought he was excellent.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I don't think Kenneth Clarke intended to imply that there were any non serious rape cases but he chose his words badly which simply should not happen in the case of a politician with his level of experience



I agree

I am fed up with the media these days taking a subject and digging away at it like a dog with a bone.
Dominique Strauss-Kahn has already been tried, hung, and quartered by the media.....what ever he has /has not done it is not the media that calls the tune
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only wish you were right Hedgehog but from many years of experience I can quite definitely say that in this country in 2011 it is not the Government which calls the tune nor even the Courts - sadly we have a situation where the media now has so much power it can lean on the Government and the legal system to the point where their decisions are not based on the principles of justice but rather on how bad the media reaction might be if they dare to take an opposite view

I really despair as to the direction this country has taken over the last twenty years Sad
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always maintained that you can judge any show by the performance of those who sit in when the main presenter is away for whatever reason.

JV's show is (imho) virtually ALWAYS better when Vine isn't there. His left-wing politics are constantly on display in how he treats guests, his interview technique is very poor, he doesn't listen to what's being said and seems unable to think on his feet and direct his interview accordingly.
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Helen May



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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blondehedgehog wrote:
ruddlescat wrote:
I don't think Kenneth Clarke intended to imply that there were any non serious rape cases but he chose his words badly which simply should not happen in the case of a politician with his level of experience



I agree

I am fed up with the media these days taking a subject and digging away at it like a dog with a bone.
Dominique Strauss-Kahn has already been tried, hung, and quartered by the media.....what ever he has /has not done it is not the media that calls the tune


I agree with you both on this it makes you want to stop reading the papers.

I heard neither Ken Bruce nor the first hour of JV so can't comment on what was said.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how Vine regularly gets stick on here yet wins what two sony awards.

Vine's interview with Gordon Brown was masterful and whatever Vine's politics he certainly didn't pull any punches over Brown's bigot remark.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He had a good write up in the Guardian today as well tireecoll. Sorry I don't have the link.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the link to the Guardian article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/may/24/radio-review-jeremy-vine
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Ally Gory



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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicky Campbell also won a Sony award, which sums up neatly the value of such an award.

Vine deserves considerably more stick than he gets and I cannot understand why anyone enjoys his programme.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each to their own Ally, you've been saying this about Vine for at least 6 years that I can remember.

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Ally Gory



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it 6 years already?

Normally I would happily accept it's simply a matter of taste, but the man's an imbecile. Did you hear him yesterday talking about cycling to work in the rain? Unbelievable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I did and thought it a bit mad but so what, he made it into work. It doesn't mean he's an imbecile though.

You've never walked to work in the rain I suppose?........................

It's actually about 8 years since JY left.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the misfortune of listening to Vanessa Feltz covering for Vine last week.

I have not made my mind up who is worse-bring in Matthew Bannister as a replacement would be my call.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, Matthew Bannister - the man who single handedly ruined Radio One and blighted the careers of a whole host of superb radio presenters in the process

Over my dead body Evil or Very Mad
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Ally Gory



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've never walked to work in the rain I suppose?........................

Quite what that has to do with it is beyond me. I've even cycled in the rain, so what?

It was his comments about going faster to avoid getting wet and never having occurred to him the rear wheel will kick up spray. That requires a peculiar lack of intelligence.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally Gory wrote:
That requires a peculiar lack of intelligence.


Really??

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, really.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dislike him so much why put yourself through such pain by listening? Unless you just want wind up everyone on here of course.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have any desire to hear from him whatsoever, but he does intrude into a show I do enjoy listening to, Ken Bruce's, as he is at the time of writing. That is what I referred to.

I very occasionally listen to his programme if the topic for discussion is of particular interest and he always reminds me why I don't wish to do so regularly.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Mayhew wrote:
I had the misfortune of listening to Vanessa Feltz covering for Vine last week.

I have not made my mind up who is worse-bring in Matthew Bannister as a replacement would be my call.


Vanessa Feltz by a long way...... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally Gory wrote:
he does intrude into a show I do enjoy listening to, Ken Bruce's, as he is at the time of writing. That is what I referred to.

I very occasionally listen to his programme if the topic for discussion is of particular interest and he always reminds me why I don't wish to do so regularly.


Same here, it's annoying when he wastes at least 5 mins of KBs show Rolling Eyes and I listen occasionally, when in the car, and that reminds me why I don't listen regularly. The sensationalism and his comments / questions Rolling Eyes What does the show achieve ? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Ah yes, Matthew Bannister - the man who single handedly ruined Radio One and blighted the careers of a whole host of superb radio presenters in the process

Over my dead body Evil or Very Mad


Actually a lot of them have gone onto other Radio stations. Some own there own successful companies. There are a couple like Adrian Juste and Gary Davis we don't hear of. Matthew Bannister is much better cover.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Nicky campbell is in my view an excellent host of the Radio 5 phone in.

I believe VIne's show gets about 6 million listeners and never seems to be short of potential contributors.

It's all a matter of taste of course but make no mistake the Vine show is a popular one.

I always enjoy the banter between KB and JV particularly where the former is winding up the latter.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comments. I've almost stopped listening to JV. Maybe it's because of the tabloid approach. Maybe it's because of the constant wandering from the point that's supposed to be under discusion. Maybe it's because of the deliberate misrepresentation in order to create controversy. Maybe its because of the interminable callers who phone in because they have a bee in their bonnets about a subject that's ALMOST the one under discussion (and because they desperately want to talk about themselves). Maybe its because all politicians are allowed to get away with simply talking to fill the allotted time, without answering the question.
If JV would just ask the question that everyone's screaming at their radios, and then insist on a direct and concise answer, the show would be as good as it used to be.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unclebuck wrote:
Interesting comments. I've almost stopped listening to JV. Maybe it's because of the tabloid approach. Maybe it's because of the constant wandering from the point that's supposed to be under discusion. Maybe it's because of the deliberate misrepresentation in order to create controversy. Maybe its because of the interminable callers who phone in because they have a bee in their bonnets about a subject that's ALMOST the one under discussion (and because they desperately want to talk about themselves). Maybe its because all politicians are allowed to get away with simply talking to fill the allotted time, without answering the question.
If JV would just ask the question that everyone's screaming at their radios, and then insist on a direct and concise answer, the show would be as good as it used to be.


Excellent points, well made... Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if the subject is going well and there are two callers on the line and one has a No and the other Yes answer the producers try to bring them to air to make it look good.

The problem with the show is there isn't enough time to spend on each subject and callers have to be cut off quickly. That type of show should be on a talk radio station. Radio 2 is committed to News and Current affairs. Jeremy Vine isn't always to blame, but his tabloid approach and sitting on the fence can sometimes shine on air. Overall the show has run out of steam.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not entirely sure what the Vine show does that 5live doesn't already do other than use music rather than sport as a break from 'news and current affairs'. As such it seems to be a rather pointless exercise in paying lip service to coverage of those subjects.

If a programme cannot bring some considered insight and analysis to bear either through its own contributors or listener contributions, then it becomes 'tabloid' broadcasting, seeking out controversy, sound bites and cheap headlines. It seems that the Vine show aspires to do no more than this and as such you pretty well know what you're getting when you tune in. To expect more would be to miss the point of the programme.

I do wonder how it is different fron 5live though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vine's show (although obviously not presented by him) was there decades before 5 Live was ever thought of............ Just because another station comes along doesn't mean another one has to change.

As for being too tabloid these days, well aren't the tabloids even worse than they were even 5 years ago?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The content may vary but the style of the tabloids is very much the same. Without making a value judgement on it, the Jeremy Vine show does what it sets out to do and there's no point in expecting it to do anything different. You know what you're going to get.

The point is that this makes it indistinguishable from many programmes ('tabloids') on 5live - Victoria Derbyshire for instance. It offers nothing extra or different which makes me wonder why they persist with the current approach on Radio2. Either stick it on 5live or do something different with it.
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