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Angela W



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:39 am    Post subject: Transferring audio media Reply with quote

Hi Colin, I'm so glad you're back on here as I need help please!

I would like to transfer some audio (radio) recordings from my Freeview HDD to CD's so that I can keep them for posterity, play them through my music system and more importantly free up some disk space. This is desperate as my HDD is totally full! A few months ago you did say on here that you could probably help me and I very much hope that you, or someone else will.

Many thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela, it is perhaps not without irony that I'm driving up to North Yorkshire today and will be staying in Whitby over the weekend. We have friends who run the Village Store + Tea Rooms in Lealholm and we're planning on spending time with them.

We have WiFi access whilst there so I'll put my thinking cap on and come up with a possible solution.

Dare I ask where you live in N. Yorks??? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Angela, it is perhaps not without irony that I'm driving up to North Yorkshire today and will be staying in Whitby over the weekend. We have friends who run the Village Store + Tea Rooms in Lealholm and we're planning on spending time with them.

We have WiFi access whilst there so I'll put my thinking cap on and come up with a possible solution.

Dare I ask where you live in N. Yorks??? Smile


Not far from Whitby! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My suggestion would be to hook up the L/R audio outputs of the Freeview box into the mic input on a computer, then record all the shows as you would as if you were taping off the radio. (Perhaps do this overnight, if there's a lot). Then just edit them down into individual shows and save as MP3s which could be put on CD.

Sorry, but I don't know of a Windows programme to do this on the computer. On my Mac, I use Audio Hijack and SoundStudio.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best Windows app for this is Audacity, which is free (and available for Mac, too). My alternative would be to pick up a cheap MiniDisc or CD recorder on eBay (I was watching a Kenwood one in Scarborough last night which sold for 11.20) and make a direct archive to MD, albeit temporary. You'd need a SCART-to-phono converter and a a red/white phono cable pair.

The above might be easier than learning audacity in the short term and at least provides a quick method of dumping audio files off.

Ok, must go. Am in motorway services right now andmust crack on!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela

I use Total Recorder which is similar to Audacity but IMHO far easier to use. I had a look when I read other people talking about it but it didn't seem as easy as TR. You pay for it I think it's about US$ 19.95, but you get upgrade keys free for newer versions as they come out.

Someone on R2 board and who is still (I think) a member on here recommended it. I installed it and started the i player hit the record box and it worked! At the end you stop it, file and save where you want to put it. You have to check a couple of other things during saving but I'll talk you through it if you have problems. There are good tutorials on their site and I think you can have a go with a free trial one as well.

To record from an external device, which you will be doing, you just alter one of the settings, again I got a crib sheet from one of the tutorials.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ian, Colin and Helen. I will work my way throught all of your suggestions to see which I can actually do. I'll report back if I am successful, but it will take me a few days between going to work etc.

I hope you had a nice weekend up here Colin, the weather wasn't that great I'm afraid!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela W wrote:
I hope you had a nice weekend up here Colin, the weather wasn't that great I'm afraid!


Hi Angela - you're right. The weather was pretty horrid, but it doesn't matter. I grew up in Cornwall and Devon so I know what Summer winds and rain is all about!

We stayed in Whitby but spent time with our friends who own and run a Village Shop and Tea Room on the moor. I've been organising an improved web presence for two business owners who have only just discovered the fax machine!!!

Anyhow................. we were in your very own town at around 11.00am today! So near, so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Angela W wrote:
I hope you had a nice weekend up here Colin, the weather wasn't that great I'm afraid!


Hi Angela - you're right. The weather was pretty horrid, but it doesn't matter. I grew up in Cornwall and Devon so I know what Summer winds and rain is all about!

We stayed in Whitby but spent time with our friends who own and run a Village Shop and Tea Room on the moor. I've been organising an improved web presence for two business owners who have only just discovered the fax machine!!!

Anyhow................. we were in your very own town at around 11.00am today! So near, so far.

Smile


If I had known you were coming I would have made a cake! Laughing

I think we may have been to your friend's tearoom, one of our local advertising magazines does a Teapot Trail in the summer and I like to try some of them!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela W wrote:
If I had known you were coming I would have made a cake! Laughing


Now she tells me......... Sad

Angela W wrote:
I think we may have been to your friend's tearoom, one of our local advertising magazines does a Teapot Trail in the summer and I like to try some of them!


Lealholm, in the Esk valley.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be a good place for me to ask a question.....

I currently use audacity to record the likes of Pick of The Pops to allow me to listen to them on my ipod. I do this using audacity and the microphone is built into my webcam which sits between the 2 speakers. The quality isn't the greatest but it does me.. The only thing is that when recording it picks up all sounds in the room. Is there some way that I can set it up so that only the sound from the speakers is picked up on the recording. I know there are other programmes available which would do this but the 2 or 3 I've tried haven't worked very well and I don't want to start installing and uninstalling software to find something that does....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look through your computer's sound settings (in Control Panel) and fiddle with the settings to enable you to choose "Stereo Mix" as the default. This means that any audio capture program will record whatever is being handled by the sound card. Audacity (or any other similar program) will use this as the default and you won't have to suffer room-sounds in your recordings.

I'm assuming you're using Windows, of course. I can't be more specific because the ease with which you do this is dependent upon (a) the operating system - eg: Windows XP, Vista or Windows 7 - and (b) the actual sound card in use.

It's one of those things that should be dead easy to do but unfortunately isn't with Windows (and dead easy on Apple Mac systems).

If you can be specific about the above I can probably hand-hold you through the process.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Windows Vista, not sure what sound card it would be
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaky Fan wrote:
It's Windows Vista, not sure what sound card it would be


As an Apple Mac user I'm not too au fait with Vista, but I do use Windows 7 in my work and I had to set up Audacity on it recently. The settings are very similar to Vista. Although I'm not on that machine at the moment, I would recommend going to Control Panel > Hardware and Sound. At the bottom of the list you should see details of the Sound Controller for your computer. I'm looking at my wife's Samsung Windows 7 netbook and it's the Realtek HD Audio Manager, which I also have on my main desktop PC too.

Interestingly, what Microsoft has done (in Vista and Windows 7) is that they've made it very difficult for the sound controllers to process live throughput "stereo mix" audio - as a means of combating piracy. It's a complete pain, and one of the reasons I dislike Windows so much.

However, I recently discovered a technical workaround that does mean that you can actually record the computer's sound throughput using a program like Audacity.

Needless to say, I've forgotten what it is, but I have a PC that works because of it so I'll see if I can find out how I did it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I sort out the recording source on the PC is to find Windows Sound Recorder, sometimes (XP) you'll find it in

Start > All programs > Accessories > Entertainment

Open Sound Recorder, then

Edit > Audio properties and under Sound Recording click the Volume button

and a window opens where you select the sound source you want to record.

Wave will record the sound from your PC, e.g. sound from webpages or if you play an mp3 on your PC.

That set up usually translates over to Audacity too.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is that Microsoft completely changed the audio management setup on Vista and, subsequently, Windows 7, John.

I use Camtasia Studio a great deal to create "screencast" software demos and tutorials which require a spoken commentary to be recorded along with system sounds. After a fiddle, it worked fine under XP but after installing Windows 7 64-bit earlier this year I then had to spend about 2 days trying to get the settings right. It's a royal pain - but Microsoft has made these changes intentionally (by agreement with the large music and movie studios) to discourage piracy. Typical Microsoft - useless.

As I mentioned above, there is a workaround to it but it's a PITA to get right. When I have some time I'll retrace my steps and advise accordingly. Unfortunately, the Windows 7 PC in question is permanently employed compression large High Definition video sequences for a stack of training videos at the moment so I can't get in.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaky

I know you have to buy this but have just checked that Total Recorder, which I use on XP, will work on Vista and Win 7. It's US$ 17.95 (about 11 at today's exchange rate) and you get free upgrades to newer versions.

I only use the standard edition and have done for about 5 years. You can use it on more than one machine as well.

http://www.totalrecorder.com/index.htm and

http://www.totalrecorder.com/tr71.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Shaky

I know you have to buy this but have just checked that Total Recorder, which I use on XP, will work on Vista and Win 7.


It may still require a change to hardware (eg: sound card driver) settings, though, Helen. That's the problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think so according to what I read Colin. I've used it on 3 machines and apart from having to download a codec (on the net book to save using a higher bit rate) that is all I've done. It says it will record anything from the internet.

Their tutorials are excellent and you can email them with a problem and get an informative response back.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the developer of Total Recorder has built in some code that over-rides all the PC's default sound hardware settings, which is sensible.

However, for those who prefer to use Audacity, it's necessary to do a manual update and reset. Here's a useful screencast (from a kid, of course!!) on how to do this with one particular soundcard. I used the same procedure with a RealTek HD card and it worked too.

http://youtu.be/--wU40opYDo

Here's another:

http://youtu.be/YhMkh3lOpt4

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes justs noticed on my Vista laptop that Sound Recorder isn't quite the same....

Thanks for those youtube links, will come in useful when I get a new PC.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well having given up at the time I was prompted to give another go after receiving a PM this evening from gazmando. And finally I've cracked it! It was so simple to do as well.....

As well as having "Stereo Mix" enabled I also had the microphone enabled. By simply disabling the microphone the whole problem was solved straight away.

And what timing - with less than 2 hours before "Greetings Pop Pickers" is removed from the IPlayer! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you've got it sorted Shaky, happy recording!

Just read your original message which prompts me to try and find out how to switch of the webcam on our netbook which is permanently switched on. It must use power from the battery.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm drumming along on the desk to "Mama Weer All Crazee Now" by Slade as I type this..... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and what a perfect time to get it sorted! A couple of weeks ago I got a phonecall from BT to say that their Infinity package is now available in our area. The deal means that for an extra 4 per month I get broadband which is 5 or 6 times as fast as I had been getting (having tested it, it does indeed come out at slightly over 6 times the previous average) and no download cap (previously it was 10GB per month).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been setting up new Windows 7 PC last week.

Bit of a headache for me as I get a bit stressed transferring/downloading etc but at least this time I got a new PC before the old one crashed Smile

So, transferred all the backed up stuff onto the new PC, figured out how to use Windows 7, Office 2010, new Windows Explorer etc. Ha, office 2010, well everything will still be saved as 2003 as that's what friends and customers have Confused

For my audio restoration progams I've got free updated downloads for Windows 7. For Audacity I downloaded a 1.3 Beta version for Windows 7 and it seems OK, it detects/records audio from the web e.g. youtube sound, and it detects/records sound from my line-in connection ('stereo mix') from my hi-fi without needing to find a window to select.

So I'm set up as before for my audio transfer from vinyl/78s.

Only slight problem I have is the sound from the line-in isn't coming out of the old PC speakers (yet they do playback stuff that is ON the PC or the web). It's not really a problem as I can hear the hi-fi's output if I have the hi-fi speakers on. Maybe I should get new PC speakers with a USB connection.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello John,
RE no line in sound from your speakers, give this a try:-
1) R click speaker icon @ bottom right of screen
2) L click "playback devices"
3) L click "speakers"
4) L click "properties"
5) L click levels
6) Under "Line In" L click the mute button and it should enable the sound for the line in connection.
I remember reading before that the line in connection to your sound card is muted by default, so hopefully the above will rectify it.
Good luck,
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got to 6) my options were Rear input or Front input. So I un-muted rear (where my jack is) but still same. Un-muted front still same.

Anyway no probs as I can listen with hi-fi speakers when recording to Audacity.

With the other software that I use mostly for recording and de-noise (Algorithmix) the input sound DOES come out of the PC speakers so I'm really OK for my needs, cheers.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and in the same window for 'levels' the other choice just says speakers and that was already un-muted and at 80.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah sorted now gaz.

Of course. Sound through Line In, it's not a 'playback device' we need to set up, it's a 'recording device' Rolling Eyes

So,

RE no line in sound from your speakers,

1) R click speaker icon @ bottom right of screen
2) L click "recording devices"
3) Double-L click "Rear line in"
4) L click "Listen"
5) Tick via L click 'Listen to this device'
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one John, Glad you got it sorted.
I really should have noticed I put playback instead of recording DOH!!!
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