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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:29 pm    Post subject: Pink Floyd on R2 during Oct Reply with quote

On a floyd website it's saying there is going to be a doc about the band as well as dave gilmour speaking with Johnnie walker on sounds of the 70's.
There will also be a prog about dark side of the moon.

Woo hoo
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Pink Floyd on R2 during Oct Reply with quote

littlepieces wrote:
On a floyd website it's saying there is going to be a doc about the band as well as dave gilmour speaking with Johnnie walker on sounds of the 70's.
There will also be a prog about dark side of the moon.

Woo hoo


Thank you for the advance notice of this, definitely one to look out for! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to like Pink Floyd in the days when Sid Barrett was their main singer and songwriter

After he left I think they completely lost their way Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I used to like Pink Floyd in the days when Sid Barrett was their main singer and songwriter

After he left I think they completely lost their way Sad


I am sure that it will be a good listen because of the Johnnie Walker factor. He can do no wrong in my eyes! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes Angela - I'll definitely given it a listen
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I used to like Pink Floyd in the days when Sid Barrett was their main singer and songwriter

After he left I think they completely lost their way Sad


I don't agree. They just changed direction (as any band would under the circumstances) with Dave Gilmour's significant input, obviously. I saw them several times in the 70s and I thought they were just great.

Interestingly, I know the person - John "Hoppy" Hopkins (one of those caught up in the ridiculous OZ trials and who was defended by John Mortimer, QC) - who is credited as giving them their first London gig (at the UFO Club) while they were still Cambridge students.

One of my top 5 favourite albums of all time is Dark Side of The Moon, which rushed out and bought on day one, although my favourite Pink Floyd track of all is "Shone on You Crazy Diamond" from "Wish You Were Here". I can't see how it can get any better than that!

Angela W wrote:


I am sure that it will be a good listen because of the Johnnie Walker factor. He can do no wrong in my eyes! Very Happy


Mine too.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shine on is just fantastic.I lose myself listening to it it has that affect on me
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about the typos in my above post. I was typing on my iPhone whilst in front of the telly. Not easy!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry folks I have to disagree

I have never understood how the critics could regard 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'The Wall' as anything other than self indulgent mediocre overrated and overhyped rubbish and that's putting it politely

Lucky I'm feeling in a good mood this morning otherwise I might have said what I really think Smile

Anyway as I said I'll give it a listen as Mr Walker is presenting but probably on I Player so I can fast forward past most of the boring bits

I realise I am probably in a small minority with my views on Pink Floyd but I think it would be totally hypocritical to lie about such things simply to court popularity
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Sorry folks I have to disagree

I have never understood how the critics could regard 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'The Wall' as anything other than self indulgent mediocre overrated and overhyped rubbish and that's putting it politely


No. It's merely putting it personally. I believe Dark Side, in particular, to be a major work and up there with anyone's best. It's all a matter of taste.

And of the many, many "name" bands I've seen Pink Floyd has always put on the most amazing performances.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes at the end of the day it all comes down to matters of individual taste

I just get rather annoyed that certain artists who benefit from the 'hype' factor come to be regarded by the media in an almost 'God' like way when there were many other equally good if not better artists who were around at the same time who hardly ever get any media exposure

I suppose the nearest thing I can recall to compare to Floyd from that era would be King Crimson who were in my opinion far superior in every respect but when did we last hear any of their superb output on Radio 2 let alone be blessed with a decent documentary?

The same could be said of The Moody Blues, The Strawbs and many others from that time

It's the old music business thing that it doesn't matter how good certain artists may be, it all comes down to which ones the music media tell us are 'cool' at the time and once artists have that status they can get away with putting out virtually anything and it is automatically regarded as classic output

I recall several people bringing Pink Floyd Albums to school in the early 70's when I was in the Sixth Form and also Captain Beefheart Albums who was another artist who was seen as 'cool' at that time

Most of them couldn't stand either but simply pretended to like those artists as a way of demonstrating their supposed levels of trendiness and sophistication

Personally I've never been scared of dislikiing what I regard as poor simply because my views don't happen to suit prevailing trends and equally I have never been put off liking musical output just because the music press might slag individual artists off from time to time

When it comes to such things in my view there is far too much 'sheep' mentality instead of judging such matters based on ones own opinion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, there are two tracks that sum up what's gone wrong with the music biz, and I include TV and radio in that, they are 'Rex Bob Lowenstein' by Mark Germino and 'Money Becomes King' by Tom Petty which is on his Last DJ album. OK while on the subject of The Last DJ Lets add a third track 'Joe' from that album. Who might that remind you of?
Alice Cooper also alluded to this when he was on Bob Harris' Old Grey Whistle Test anniversary show a fortnight ago, when he talked about the days when DJs had more freedom in the music they played. He also said that demographics is a dirty word.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Yes at the end of the day it all comes down to matters of individual taste

I just get rather annoyed that certain artists who benefit from the 'hype' factor come to be regarded by the media in an almost 'God' like way when there were many other equally good if not better artists who were around at the same time who hardly ever get any media exposure


As someone who is also critical of the way that many excellent 1970s bands have all but erased from history (Stackridge, The Sutherland Brothers & Quiver, Barclay James Harvest being three of my particular favourites from the period), I tend with all of the above with the exception that Pink Floyd is the product of hype. I really do disagree; they hit the big time simply because they put on spectacular gigs in which they showcased excellent musical skills and showmanship. When I paid to see them that's what I expected and that's what I got. Simple.

ruddlescat wrote:
I suppose the nearest thing I can recall to compare to Floyd from that era would be King Crimson who were in my opinion far superior in every respect but when did we last hear any of their superb output on Radio 2 let alone be blessed with a decent documentary?


I saw King Crimson several times, too (an friend of a friend in Plymouth called Bob (?) Cross played with them for a while), but their music was much different and their stage presence was completely different too. Bob Fripp wasn't a showman at all and the music was much more introspective, even when Greg Lake was singing. The simple fact is that, brilliant though they were, they weren't world stars like Pink Floyd were or are. The market will decide.

ruddlescat wrote:
It's the old music business thing that it doesn't matter how good certain artists may be, it all comes down to which ones the music media tell us are 'cool' at the time and once artists have that status they can get away with putting out virtually anything and it is automatically regarded as classic output


If that were the case, wouldn't everybody have been buying "Tie a yellow ribbon" or "Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" instead of the alternatives? I wasn't - I had a mind of my own even though I read Melody Maker and NME every week.

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I recall several people bringing Pink Floyd Albums to school in the early 70's when I was in the Sixth Form and also Captain Beefheart Albums who was another artist who was seen as 'cool' at that time


I wasn't into Beefheart much either, but it doesn't matter.

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Most of them couldn't stand either but simply pretended to like those artists as a way of demonstrating their supposed levels of trendiness and sophistication


That's life, isn't it? It applies to all walks of life, not just music.

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When it comes to such things in my view there is far too much 'sheep' mentality instead of judging such matters based on ones own opinion


So was I a "sheep" for loving the music and the performances of Pink Floyd? Am I a sheep when I turn up "Shine on" when I'm driving the car on my own now?

Like I said, it's all down to taste. Simples. Personally, I love it. There you go.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin, quite clearly not everyone who happens to like Pink Floyd or any other artist hyped up by the music press is guilty of 'sheep' mentality and I'm sure you do not fall into that category and neither do most other people on here but the wider point I was making was that especially around the late 60's and early 70's there was a great deal of unjustified hype around certain artists at the expense of others who were equally or more talented but who simply did not get proper recognition as they were seen as 'uncool' by the music press and a large number of people were taken in by this

As for 'Tie A Yellow Ribbon ' and the like, back in the sixties and early seventies my grammar school was boys only but once every term the powers that be trusted us enough to allow us to visit the equivalent girls school for the end of term disco

I recall many lads in my class taking their Pink Floyd and Beefheart Albums down there and begging the unfortunate DJ to play obscure tracks from them totally unsuited to the occasion and I remember I used to tell them they must be complete idiots if they thought that kind of thing would be likely to secure them a decent girlfriend as most of the girls were into Tamla Motown, Reggae and Soul and I was usually proved right

Funnily enough I met one of those old school colleagues a while ago who told me that he was on his fourth marriage and I thought to myself that if his former spouses had been made to put up with the dreadful music he used to inflict on us in our schooldays he's lucky it's only four Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruddlescat,

Please tell us you are on your first marriage and followed the "Tamla Motown, Reggae and Soul" sheep Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Colin, quite clearly not everyone who happens to like Pink Floyd or any other artist hyped up by the music press is guilty of 'sheep' mentality and I'm sure you do not fall into that category and neither do most other people on here but the wider point I was making was that especially around the late 60's and early 70's there was a great deal of unjustified hype around certain artists at the expense of others who were equally or more talented but who simply did not get proper recognition as they were seen as 'uncool' by the music press and a large number of people were taken in by this


Yes but, as I said before, that's life - isn't it?


Funnily enough, my wife and I are roughly the same age. We grew up 200 miles apart. She went to a girls-only school in Amersham and I went to a boys school in Plymouth (the same as the actor Charles Dance, but I digress). I was into "hippy" music, prog rock, heavy rock, etc. and she was into Stax and Atlantic Soul and Pop music.

These days, I love all music and I share her taste in Stax / Atlantic soul. Northern Soul too. But I've never ever seen her show an interest in any Pink Floyd or other "hippy" music that I was into. Even the Genesis she does like is post-Invisible Touch (she used to love seeing them live). She doesn't know what to make of the early stuff which I prefer.

My 27-year-0ld son, who is very musically aware and has played bass guitar in bands for several years now, does think "Dark Side of the Moon" is a classic, too, so I've done something right.

PS: As a birthday present, he's taking me to see Brian Wilson at the London Festival Hall in a couple of weeks. Good boy!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Nod I am currently quite happily divorced and have been for more than four years but at least I have only one marriage behind me so I don't think I'm doing too badly Smile

Going back 40 years or so ago I was basically a progresssive and heavy rock fan but like most other people I did take an interest in some of the music in the charts at that time including Reggae, Soul and Tamla Motown and I never took the view that I would deny liking any music simply because that was regarded as 'uncool' if the music was something which I enjoyed
However I will admit to having a real hatred of Tony Blackburn at the time although now I listen to his shows almost avidly

I have to admit that although I have a fair knowledge of mainstream music of most genres I often tend to prefer the lesser known artists and find it so sad that many rarely if ever have their music played on British radio these days Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Pink Floyd on R2 during Oct Reply with quote

Colin - I believe you were referring to David Cross in your bit about King Crimson.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Pink Floyd on R2 during Oct Reply with quote

aviddiva wrote:
Colin - I believe you were referring to David Cross in your bit about King Crimson.


Yes.... that's him. Thanks. I remember he performed with Crimson when they played a "local" gig at Plymouth Guildhall and the crowd went crazy when Cross appeared.

ruddlescat wrote:
However I will admit to having a real hatred of Tony Blackburn at the time although now I listen to his shows almost avidly(


Yes, me too. I always remember John Peel regularly referring to him as "young Timmy Bannockburn".
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