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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say it's handed on a plate - he's paid a reported £500,000 for his services and it's his head on the block if (when) things take a downward turn. Much as I hate hearing his annoying voice, it's a responsibilty I wouldn't want.
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I think that radio listeners have to treat radio stations in exactly the same way shoppers now treat supermarkets

There was a day when someone would do all their shopping at Tesco once a week every week but as we all know trends have changed and people now do smaller shops more often utilising a range of sellers in order to obtain the best possible quality and value

Similarly I know many people who used to leave their radio tuned to Radio 2 all day but are now 'shopping around' between many different stations including some foreign ones in order to create a daily menu of what they actually want to listen to rather than what is foisted on them but sadly we still have millions who regard radio as background music so for them it really doesn't matter which presenter is engaged or what music gets played

Of course the breakfast show will always have the highest audience figures on any radio station irrespective of who is presenting it but listeners really do need to become a great deal more discerning Sad
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I think that radio listeners have to treat radio stations in exactly the same way shoppers now treat supermarkets

There was a day when someone would do all their shopping at Tesco once a week every week but as we all know trends have changed and people now do smaller shops more often utilising a range of sellers in order to obtain the best possible quality and value

Similarly I know many people who used to leave their radio tuned to Radio 2 all day but are now 'shopping around' between many different stations including some foreign ones in order to create a daily menu of what they actually want to listen to rather than what is foisted on them but sadly we still have millions who regard radio as background music so for them it really doesn't matter which presenter is engaged or what music gets played

Of course the breakfast show will always have the highest audience figures on any radio station irrespective of who is presenting it but listeners really do need to become a great deal more discerning
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I agree,ruddles.I have never understood loyalty(?) to a programme if it isn't playing the music you like to hear! I suppose some have no choice,it being played at their place of work (does that count in Rajar figures,I wonder Razz )
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course the breakfast show will always have the highest audience figures on any radio station irrespective of who is presenting it but listeners really do need to become a great deal more discerning Sad


The trouble is that they won't!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest RAJARs came out yesterday. Funny how back when this thread started they seemed a big deal but now not even the broadcasters make much of a deal about it.

Anyway... Chris Evans and Steve Wright's figures (at least) were up, with Breakfast on 9.6m. However, the station has dropped 200,000 listeners overall, to 15.3m.

6Music now on 2.1m - the first digital station to get over 2m listeners, and Radio 4 Extra is on 1.7m, also up.

Radio 5 Live's new lineup has been a disaster - losing 700,000 listeners, and forcing the controller to apologise to staff. Of course, he's not going to admit mistakes though!

Radio 1 has 10.4m, with Grimmy on 5.9m

Radio 4 down year-on-year to 10.8m, but this was up on the previous quarter.

Radio 3 is UP to just over 2m
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange how times change Ian. I still glance at them though!

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I find it surprising that Radios One and Two gain the breakfast audiences they do. I was in the pub with my son and a group of his late-20s/early 30s mates the other night (discussing my son's wedding in Italy this summer) and somebody mentioned Grimshaw on R1 breakfast. Not a single person likes him, but even those who do listen (out of habit) wish there were better FM radio offerings at that time of day. The same can be said of much of Radio Caroline's output.

A couple of my own friends, all of whom are of "a certain age" like myself were talking about this and of the four of us chatting at the bar, not one of us thought Chris Evans remotely welcome on the radio at that time of day. What both groups have in common is that, like me, several people avail themselves of online radio via 3G on their smartphones and listen to all manner of much more interesting stuff. The other day, I drove from Milton Keynes to Crawley and throughout the whole return journey I streamed over 3G via my iphone into my car stereo a really good radio station that operates from San Diego and for whom an old friend of mine works. It was so much better than anything on FM here in good old blighty.

Maybe both the above groups are highly unique, but if so I'm amazed at how the Great British Radio Listening Public is so easily pleased. These Rajars merely remind us of how bad the UK over-air radio choices are today.
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Ian Robinson wrote:
Latest RAJARs came out yesterday. Funny how back when this thread started they seemed a big deal but now not even the broadcasters make much of a deal about it.

Anyway... Chris Evans and Steve Wright's figures (at least) were up, with Breakfast on 9.6m. However, the station has dropped 200,000 listeners overall, to 15.3m.

6Music now on 2.1m - the first digital station to get over 2m listeners, and Radio 4 Extra is on 1.7m, also up.

Radio 5 Live's new lineup has been a disaster - losing 700,000 listeners, and forcing the controller to apologise to staff. Of course, he's not going to admit mistakes though!

Radio 1 has 10.4m, with Grimmy on 5.9m

Radio 4 down year-on-year to 10.8m, but this was up on the previous quarter.

Radio 3 is UP to just over 2m

I'm not surprised to hear that it is losing listeners..it's fast becoming a station of repeats!!... I heard one interview repeated,on three separate programmes, on the same day!
I emailed to complain and was told it was a difficult balance as some people might have missed the interview and welcome the opportunity to hear it from a repeat... I emailed back to say that that was what I thought the Listen Again facility was for.... I didn't hear back... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice reports recently that DAB is now marginally more used than FM - it will be interesting to see how the technology factor feeds in to the figures.

I have a feeling that radios in many households have traditionally sat on a single FM frequency for most of their lives. Future usage may be more akin to TV in terms of channel-hopping.
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More RAJARs this week, passing by almost unnoticed nowadays.

Radio 2 has dropped to 15.1m, with Evans losing nearly 400,000 listeners in the last 3 months (but he's still on 9.46m).

Radio 1 has dropped to it's lowest audience ever, with Grimmy now down to 5.5m. But all the people who've stopped listening (another 1m year-on-year) were too old apparently so this is all a huge success!

Radio 4 Extra is now the most popular digital station, with 2.17m to 6 Music's 2.06m. Radio 3 only has 2.1m! 1Extra (with nearly twice the budget of the other digital stations) has 839,000.

For me though the most worrying figure is that BBC local radio has dropped 1.8m overall in the last year. That's down 5% and, for me, reflects the lack of locality on the stations thanks to cutbacks. I think the local stations are the most direct link to the licence fee payer so this trend is a bit ominous.
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I'm worried that Radio 2 is going to lose massive amounts of listeners in the future.
Going by my own experience there are so many people who have stopped listening to Radio 2 who were big fans of the station, as i was.
It's not down to presenters either, (although we all have our lines and dislikes), it is down to the complete lack of variety in the music. The powers that be have narrowed the daytime music choice down to such an extent that it's becoming unlistenable. There are 5 shops in my town that all used to have Radio 2 on and they have all changed station now and each one said to me that they have stopped listening because of the lack of variety in the music and the obsession with modern music.
Surely they can have a better mix of music with some better modern music rather than the inane stuff that they constantly keep playing now?
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They will have only themselves (and perhaps government cut backs) to blame. And yes, annoying presenters do come into the equasion, although, as you quite rightly say, we can't all like the same thing. That goes for music as well. I wonder how much negative effect the recent carnage in the post midnight schedule is having.
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I agree Gazmando, it's as if Radio 2 is being deserted by the very group of listeners that it's supposed to cater for because of the music. I've just realised how little of it I listen to this past couple of weeks, and sometimes I really have to remember to switch back to R2. I've taken to Smooth Extra more and more, the playlist seems to have got a bit more upbeat and I get Andrew Castle on the Smooth London at breakfast rather than the local Manchester guy.

I used to 'love' R2 but it almost leaves me cold a lot of the time now.

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Add you say Helen "supposed to cater for", but they're not catering for these very people are they?
At the moment they're CONSTANTLY playing Alesha Dixon, Leona Lewis and Brandon Flowers day in and day out. I didn't mind the Brandon Flowers song at first but I can't beat to hear it anymore, this sort of decision is driving so many listeners away.
I don't know about the evening schedule much, Lord Evan as I'm usually asleep by then but I can imagine that will drive loads of people away too.
I also don't understand things like reading the Olivier Award nominations out for half an hour during a daytime show (I'm a fan of musicals but this was so out of place), or having the "so called comedy" awards during Steve Wright's show. That should be on a dedicated evening show or on the television, how many people who are at work or who are busy at home have the time to listen carefully to that???
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I don't know about the evening schedule much, Lord Evan as I'm usually asleep by then but I can imagine that will drive loads of people away too.

Things aren't so bad in the mon-fri evenings. Not so different from past times really. I think this is when I listen most to R2 nowadays. And Sunday afternoons (that certainly wasn't the case 15 + years ago, when I had R2 on almost all the time for the other days) It was then that Alex Lester woke me up at 4:00am via my radio alarm (it goes off later than that nowadays) In the midweek at that time you had three hours of Janice Long, then another three hours of Alex Lester, what with Richard Allinson (latterly Mark Radcliffe) in the run-up to midnight, if you were lucky enough to be able to listen to Radio 2 at work on a night shift, that combination would certainly have helped your anti-social hours go by. Yes, you do still have Janice & Alex, but only for three hours after midnight & and they are split, with Janice for the first four days & Alex on the other three. After that it's repeats of something you heard over the weekend, so you can't interact like you once did after 3:00am. Well, not until Vanessa Feltz comes on.
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I do agree the lack of music variety is frustrating. A few weeks ago Alex Lester played the new single from They Might Be Giants, which I know isn't to everyone's taste but 10 years ago would have got on the playlist. Nowadays no chance.

Sadly, I think the ratings will only go up. This appears to be what people want, more's the pity. I've often said Radio 2 should use their dominant position to champion new or less-played music but they seem to be worried about losing listeners.

Mind you, if I had to listen to Andrew Castle on Smooth while driving around I think I'd crash the car off a bridge sooner rather than later!
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You only get Andrew Castle after about every 3rd or 4th song and he's not bad Ian. He usually comments on something that has happened and believe it or not has a similar attitude to what Wogan had when it's about something ridiculous!

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You only get Andrew Castle after about every 3rd or 4th song and he's not bad Ian. He usually comments on something that has happened and believe it or not has a similar attitude to what Wogan had when it's about something ridiculous!

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It's Smooth Extra that I listen to when I can't bear Radio 2, which is different from Smooth FM for most of the daytime. I don't listen in the evening so can't say what that is like.

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New figures released today. In the breakfast slot, Radios 2, 3, 6 and Local are all up, 4 and 5 roughly the same and once again Nick Grimshaw loses hundreds of thousands for a new Radio 1 Breakfast record low. I'm amazed he manages to keep his job.

Interestingly, in London the top channel is Radio 4, with Capital then Radio 2.
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For some reason Dermot O'Leary is bunched in with the daytime ratings in the report that I read Rolling Eyes which held up.

Sadly we are stuck with Evans I'd guess for the rest of our lives. Sad I hardly listen at all because I forget to switch over from whatever I've got on first thing.

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New Rajars are out!

Overall radio listening is up year-on-year but it seems to be local stations that have benefited with most going up. Of the national BBC stations, Radio 4, Radio 4 Extra, 6 Music and the Asian Network are the only ones to have seen a rise.

Radio 2 has lost nearly half-a-million listeners compared to this time last year, but still has 15.02m and Chris Evans is on 9.38m despite losing 400,000.

Once again, Nick Grimshaw has shed listeners for another new Radio 1 breakfast low, with Radio 1 as a whole losing 8% of it's audience! Boss Ben Cooper says "You can’t judge Radio 1 on RAJAR figures alone – just as you can’t judge a newspaper solely on physical sales – you have to take into account our digital innovations as well.” Hmmm.

On average a radio listener tunes into 21.2m of live radio per week, and 59% of the population now listen via digital. It seems to be this format that's on the rise, with small digital channels chipping away at the big boys (and each other).
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I wonder if the loss of overnight live programmes have anything to do with the loss of Radio 2 listeners? I don't listen myself but the playlists when I dipped in didn't exactly enthrawl me!

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I wouldn't be holding out much expectation for the next figures, either. I do confess to a litle schadenfreude, though, seeing they've sacrificed quality and identity over the years, in favour of a tunnel visioned quest for ratings.
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I agree Raver!

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Have to agree too. The BBC don't have much to crow about this time but they are making a big deal of 6 Music, which has reached a record high and nearly all it's shows are up in ratings.
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Are they? How times change. It only seems like yesterday, that Tim Davie (I think that was his name) wanted to cull 6 Music.

I don't think he bargained for the overwhelming support the station got from the great unwashed, thus saving it from the knackers yard. Banging a well beaten drum here, but these people should be held accountable by the licence payers. 6 Music, whether people like the station or not, is that rarity these days - a radio station that has presenters who are totally in love and very knowledgeable with and about the music they play.

Yet another example of BBC men in suits who are totally out of touch with the rest of the world. Ivory towers and all that...

And taking up something you mentioned earlier, Ian...there's a lot of choice now, on DAB stations, that appeals to us older heads, like The Arrow, Union Jack, The Wireless (David Hamilton and Graham Dene can be found there) and the Absolute stations...regrettably, they took Absolute 60's off the DAB, but it's still online. There seems to be new stations appearing every week, especially here in Londinium. Healthy competition means that nobody should be resting on their laurels. Or hardys, come to that.
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oldraver wrote:
And taking up something you mentioned earlier, Ian...there's a lot of choice now, on DAB stations, that appeals to us older heads, like The Arrow, Union Jack, The Wireless (David Hamilton and Graham Dene can be found there) and the Absolute stations...regrettably, they took Absolute 60's off the DAB, but it's still online. There seems to be new stations appearing every week, especially here in Londinium. Healthy competition means that nobody should be resting on their laurels. Or hardys, come to that.

They do seem to be eating each other though. I suspect the BBC are content to let them all fight it out among themselves: Absolute 80s lost 20%, but Absolute Classic Rock gained (a smaller) 20%. The main Absolute station is down year-on-year but Virgin Radio is up 15%

Nationally, Heart, Capital, Classic FM and Smooth are the top four commercial stations (and all up) but Kiss is down in 5th and Heat, Kerrang and Planet Rock all lost listeners

Union Jack gets 71,000 listeners nationally, with only The Arrow (47k) doing worse! Mind you, I can't even find figures for The Wireless...
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Not heard much about the latest set of figures apart from Zoe saying good news for both her and Liza T and their shows.

A general thing in that for the first time ever more people are listening to commercial radio than the BBC. Why does this not surprise me? I'd say I probably listen more to commercial something I would never have said a few years ago.

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Helen May wrote:
Not heard much about the latest set of figures apart from Zoe saying good news for both her and Liza T and their shows.

A general thing in that for the first time ever more people are listening to commercial radio than the BBC. Why does this not surprise me? I'd say I probably listen more to commercial something I would never have said a few years ago.

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Raver has said on another thread,Helen,(can't remember which one) that Chris Evans lost nearly half a million listeners.

Perhaps this article goes some way to explain why..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/banter-breakfast-radio-chris-evans-listeners
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Helen May wrote:
Not heard much about the latest set of figures apart from Zoe saying good news for both her and Liza T and their shows.

A general thing in that for the first time ever more people are listening to commercial radio than the BBC. Why does this not surprise me? I'd say I probably listen more to commercial something I would never have said a few years ago.

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Raver has said on another thread,Helen,(can't remember which one) that Chris Evans lost nearly half a million listeners.

Perhaps this article goes some way to explain why..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/banter-breakfast-radio-chris-evans-listeners

That article seems to think Evans has lost listeners to Spotify, but I'm not convinced. Loads of other breakfast shows have gone up, but if we're moving to our own playlists they'd all go down. And while Evans has lost listeners it's worth remembering he's down on a record high and still has 1m more listeners than Wogan ever did.
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Helen May wrote:
Not heard much about the latest set of figures apart from Zoe saying good news for both her and Liza T and their shows.

A general thing in that for the first time ever more people are listening to commercial radio than the BBC. Why does this not surprise me? I'd say I probably listen more to commercial something I would never have said a few years ago.

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Raver has said on another thread,Helen,(can't remember which one) that Chris Evans lost nearly half a million listeners.

Perhaps this article goes some way to explain why..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/banter-breakfast-radio-chris-evans-listeners

That article seems to think Evans has lost listeners to Spotify, but I'm not convinced. Loads of other breakfast shows have gone up, but if we're moving to our own playlists they'd all go down. And while Evans has lost listeners it's worth remembering he's down on a record high and still has 1m more listeners than Wogan ever did.

It's just someone's thoughts in a newspaper article.
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And while Evans has lost listeners it's worth remembering he's down on a record high and still has 1m more listeners than Wogan ever did.

Rajah is more interested in quantity rather than quality Wink.
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And while Evans has lost listeners it's worth remembering he's down on a record high and still has 1m more listeners than Wogan ever did.

Rajah is more interested in quantity rather than quality Wink.


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Latest RAJARs are out and Evans and Radio 2 are back up, while Nick Grimshaw and Radio 1 have reached all-time lows. In fact, most breakfast shows ratings have gone up (despite that dozy Guardian article above saying they were "over") but Grimmers has still gone down.

Once again, more people are listening to the BBC than commercial stations with rises on Radio 4, the Asian Network, 4Extra and 6Music helping to an overall reach of 52%. BBC Local is losing listeners overall but most of them are in London, the other stations are doing fine.
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I've had a look online but can't find what I'm looking for regarding the listening figures for the new time for SOTS.Also wondering how Dermot's Saturday programme is doing in the old SOTS slot.
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Happy New RAJARs Day everyone! Looks like the RAJARs fairy has been and brought sporadic gifts of happiness!

Ken Bruce up to a record 8.83m
Liza Tarbuck up to 1.15m
Michael Ball up to 3.2m
Chris Evans down to 9.12m from 9.38m this time last year

Nick Grimshaw falls again - to 5.10m!
Radio 1 now has less reach than Heart!

6 Music up to 2.5m per week

Radio 2 strangely silent on the ratings of Simon Mayo and Jo Whiley's final full quarter.
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Angela W



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
Happy New RAJARs Day everyone! Looks like the RAJARs fairy has been and brought sporadic gifts of happiness!

Ken Bruce up to a record 8.83m
Liza Tarbuck up to 1.15m
Michael Ball up to 3.2m
Chris Evans down to 9.12m from 9.38m this time last year

Nick Grimshaw falls again - to 5.10m!
Radio 1 now has less reach than Heart!

6 Music up to 2.5m per week

Radio 2 strangely silent on the ratings of Simon Mayo and Jo Whiley's final full quarter.


It certainly has, thanks for posting it! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes interesting!

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

becky sharp wrote:
I've had a look online but can't find what I'm looking for regarding the listening figures for the new time for SOTS.Also wondering how Dermot's Saturday programme is doing in the old SOTS slot.

I would still like to know the answers to the above...anyone know?
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