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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:38 pm    Post subject: Margaret Thatcher Reply with quote

Baroness Thatcher died this morning, following a stroke.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very sad news.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No state funeral or laying in state with the wishes of Lady Thatcher. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/no-state-funeral-margaret-thatcher
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad news indeed. Whatever your politics she was the first female Prime Minister and I can't think of anyone since who could have taken on the job.

RIP

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very sad news-the history books will record her as a exceptional leader/remarkable lady.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I heard this sad news I had to stop the car immediately - not because the announcement came as any great shock - but because I happened to be in Llandudno this lunchtime and guess where I was on the day Maggie became Prime Minister in 1979 - yes Llandudno - and I've only been there once in all the intervening period - really spooky Shocked

Getting back to the sad event it really feels like the end of an era for me as Maggie was really - perhaps with the exception of Tony Benn - the last real conviction politician

Whatever you thought of her she put forward policies to the electorate and actually carried out exactly what she promised unlike Blair and all others over the last 20 years who simply did whatever they thought would make them look good in the court of public opinion

I can quite honestly say that one of the happiest and most successful periods of my life was under Maggie's Premiership and I can almost trace to the day of her being ousted exactly when my life started to go downhill - and of course I'm probably not alone as most people's lives seem to have gone downhill in recent years just as this country certainly has

We need another Maggie to sort out the present mess in this country but I can't see where any such person is likely to appear from

She was a truly great leader and I will always be grateful for what she did for Britain - but sadly while some of her legacies remain to me much of her efforts have now been squandered by Europhile yes men Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
No state funeral or laying in state with the wishes of Lady Thatcher.


I don't think it would have been right for her to have one anyway.

In my view she did a lot of damage to this country, I did not like the woman but as I don't think it right to speak ill of the dead I won't say any more than that.

Shame Galloway does not think the same, as an MP he ought to have more respect but I suppose it's not really surprising.
Still it has generated more publicity for him which I'm sure he's happy about.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Toggy she divided the nation and did a lot of harm to the working classes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her funeral will be held on Wednesday 17th April.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22079749
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 million quid being spent of her funeral Shocked Unbelievable waste of public money.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
10 million quid being spent of her funeral Shocked Unbelievable waste of public money.


HOW MUCH?!! Rolling Eyes How on earth do they get it cost so much?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A large amount of it is for security apparently.........

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Maggie would have thought that much of it was a waste of money - that's why she quite specifically stated that she did not want a State funeral and certainly not a fly past Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Ruddles.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is true that she did not want any fuss then that makes it worse, wrong to go against her wishes.
I suppose there will be good photo opportunities for Cameron & co, more attention seeking from 'upset' celebrities.
Sorry to see that Clarkson & Wogan are all part of it, they've gone down in my estimation now. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose if she had been a serial adultress who had spent most of her adult life swanning around the world in luxury a state funeral would have been acceptable - it seemed to be in 1997.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:


We need another Maggie

I couldn't disagree more,ruddles

My favourite moments of Margaret Thatcher's time in office ...the beginning of the end....courtesy of Geoffrey Howe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvyAMjGSoKQ
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I think Maggie would have thought that much of it was a waste of money - that's why she quite specifically stated that she did not want a State funeral and certainly not a fly past Rolling Eyes

I heard a gentleman (Prof Hazell?l) on the radio the other morning talking about the funeral arrangements and he said the reason she didn't want a state funeral was because it would have to go to a vote in parliament and she knew what a divisive figure she was and didn't want to be seen to have failed to have been voted one.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
If it is true that she did not want any fuss then that makes it worse, wrong to go against her wishes.
I suppose there will be good photo opportunities for Cameron & co, more attention seeking from 'upset' celebrities.
Sorry to see that Clarkson & Wogan are all part of it, they've gone down in my estimation now. Sad

It will be interesting to see who,if any, of the cabinet members (those who are still alive) who got rid of her attend the funeral..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
If it is true that she did not want any fuss then that makes it worse, wrong to go against her wishes.
I suppose there will be good photo opportunities for Cameron & co, more attention seeking from 'upset' celebrities.
Sorry to see that Clarkson & Wogan are all part of it, they've gone down in my estimation now. Sad


If Clarkson and Wogan went down any further in my estimation they would be in Australia. I can just about get my head around Wogan, but Clarkson?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number Six wrote:


If Clarkson and Wogan went down any further in my estimation they would be in Australia. I can just about get my head around Wogan, but Clarkson?


Yes, Clarkson is a strange choice. Confused As for Terry, well our paths have crossed a couple of times and he really is the nicest of people.
Quite surprised to hear he is presumably a Tory voter, oh well.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

childprufe wrote:
I suppose if she had been a serial adultress who had spent most of her adult life swanning around the world in luxury a state funeral would have been acceptable - it seemed to be in 1997.


Very true
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Herbert who is PM at the moment seems to want to be the new Maggie.Bedroom Taxes benefit cuts (when there is a bigger problem with huge co's not paying the tax)Labour need to offer an alternative or it will lose the next election but i just can't see it.Dennis Skinner for pm anyone? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the closure of the BBC's Mustardland board I joined a similar one and enjoyed it for a while. However, I have now de-registered from it simply because I was so appalled by the vile and vicious comments about Margaret Thatcher posted by some people including the board owner who started a "hate" thread title of which a troll would have been proud.

OK. if you didn't like her politics - and I didn't approve of some of what she did - it is perfectly permissable to be critical of them but some on there have gone too far, in my opinion, and have been the on-line equivalent of dancing on her grave. However, the language is not as foul as some tweets I have read.

I don't believe she would have approved of the huge funeral planned for her.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FleetingEileenM wrote:
. However, the language is not as foul as some tweets I have read.

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Some of the tweets have been absolutely horrendous, as I said I didn't like her but would not have wished her harm.
It really makes me despair of humans sometimes and puts me off politics, any politics in a big way. There is too much tribalism, like football.
I think too much is being spent on her funeral, I know I'm not alone in this but there is nothing I can do about it so hey ho.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree with you both. It's a disgrace and enough to make you feel ashamed to be from the same nation as some of those who have made such vile comments.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly that's Britain in 2013 - not the country which I grew up in - ruined by far too many liberal dogooders foreign imposters and unintelligent badly educated people

I really hate life in Britain today - it feels like it's no longer my country and if it wasn't for the fact that I have two children who need me I often think I'd rather be dead - either that or move to France where they don't stand the same c--p we have to put up with in this country:evil:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that Ruddles - you are right about the sad attitudes shown towards society in general - it is very sad. The many years of contrived attacks on Lady Thatcher have carried on until they are perceived as gospel truth. As I understand it Harold Wilson closed more pits than Maggie did, but that is ignored by those who consider her death to be a cause for celebration.
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