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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Harriet Harman attack on "Ginger Rodent" Reply with quote

For a split second I thought she might be talking about The Irritating One but she was instead referring to that other berk who has only just recently graduated from wearing short trousers and who is currently serving in government as a representative of the doomed LibDem party!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not very grown up language... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She will probarly spin this. It is a personal attack what he looks like. She wouldn't be able to say this in the House Of Commons and get away with it. Obviously the Government may hit back in PMQs. He may well look funny, but it's insulting. I'm sure the pest will bite back.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
She will probarly spin this. It is a personal attack what he looks like. She wouldn't be able to say this in the House Of Commons and get away with it. Obviously the Government may hit back in PMQs. He may well look funny, but it's insulting. I'm sure the pest will bite back.


It's more of a valid political comment on the nature of turncoat politics on the part of somebody who has been thrust into power at the expense of his northern Scottish electorate, who voted in favour of a LibDem, rather than a Tory, member of Parliament.

I thought it was quite funny - even if, at first, I thought she might be proberlerio referring to another person who fits the description more than adequately!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Evans wrote a piece on ginger haired people a few years ago, talking about how much stick ginger- haired people took on a regular basis.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Chris Evans wrote a piece on ginger haired people a few years ago, talking about how much stick ginger- haired people took on a regular basis.


I've got no problem with ginger-haired people. It's the irritating ones I don't like!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Chris Ginger as Danny Alexander?|
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She has now apologised for her remark, saying she was wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She has now apologised for her remark, saying she was wrong.


Too late now. The joke's out there in the public domain!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She has now apologised for her remark, saying she was wrong.


Too late now. The joke's out there in the public domain!!! Smile
True .....and I bet she wished she kept her thoughts private..I like a laugh as much as the next person but sometimes it's just not appropriate to say, out loud, what you're thinking.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If ginger people like CE are fed up with being the butt of jokes why don't they splash out on some hair dye
I'm sure he can afford it Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True .....and I bet she wished she kept her thoughts private..I like a laugh as much as the next person but sometimes it's just not appropriate to say, out loud what, you're thinking.


I agree with her underlying point, however, about how he's sold his constituents down the political river. Like many of LibDem colleagues in the Commons he might as well make the most of it because they're destined for obscurity at the next general election.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with her underlying point, however, about how he's sold his constituents down the political river. Like many of LibDem colleagues in the Commons he might as well make the most of it because they're destined for obscurity at the next general election.
But most of that has been lost because of the cheap jibe, which has been widely reported...she is undoubtedly an intelligent woman so should know better.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ColinB wrote:


I agree with her underlying point, however, about how he's sold his constituents down the political river. Like many of LibDem colleagues in the Commons he might as well make the most of it because they're destined for obscurity at the next general election.
But most of that has been lost because of the cheap jibe, which has been widely reported...she is undoubtedly an intelligent woman so should know better.


True. Still, the obvious connection for me was the fact that I thought she was referring to another person who shall remain un-named. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well to be fair it was funny but a bit out of order.As she says in the rest of her speech a lot of lib dem voters would not of wanted a tory government which it is in all honesty.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
becky sharp wrote:
ColinB wrote:


I agree with her underlying point, however, about how he's sold his constituents down the political river. Like many of LibDem colleagues in the Commons he might as well make the most of it because they're destined for obscurity at the next general election.
But most of that has been lost because of the cheap jibe, which has been widely reported...she is undoubtedly an intelligent woman so should know better.


True. Still, the obvious connection for me was the fact that I thought she was referring to another person who shall remain un-named. Smile


I can't think who you mean.... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A person who shouts off then apologises is a weak person. It's like myself, If I started to shout and call someone something at work, then go upto them afterwards and say sorry. It would hurt that person, but then you would look stupid for doing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got this from digital spy.
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Danny has posted this response on his twitter:- "I am proud to be ginger and rodents do valuable work cleaning up mess others leave behind. Red squirrel deserves to survive, unlike Labour".
Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just got this from digital spy.
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Danny has posted this response on his twitter:- "I am proud to be ginger and rodents do valuable work cleaning up mess others leave behind. Red squirrel deserves to survive, unlike Labour".
Laughing


The problem for him is that after the next general election neither his political career nor his party will survive, so - in that respect - Harriet Harman is spot on.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree.. if I mouth off at somebody and then apologise later I don't think that makes me weak.. I think it's makes me a better man.
It's the person who bitches and moans behind somebody's back who's the weak one.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you shouldn't apologise if the comment is how you really feel about the person. She's a public figure, and has to do that.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
I suppose you shouldn't apologise if the comment is how you really feel about the person. She's a public figure, and has to do that.


No she doesn't have to do that at all. She's a Parliamentary politician, which is a bear pit. If a person can't take the heat they should get out of the proverbial kitchen and, as I said before, I think the underlying point she was making was right. Perhaps she shouldn't have used the word "Ginger" and chosen a few more alternative words like "LibDem turncoat who looks like he only left school yesterday and is now making the most of a short political career in a key Treasury position within Her Majesty's Government".

Mind you, it doesn't have the same ring to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Harriet Harman attack on "Ginger Rodent" Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
For a split second I thought she might be talking about The Irritating One but she was instead referring to that other berk who has only just recently graduated from wearing short trousers and who is currently serving in government as a representative of the doomed LibDem party!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228

One of the most astute political comments Harman has made.
I suppose that Alexander was relieved that for once he wasn't being called a Muppett
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She actually phoned him.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
She actually phoned him.

She should not have apologised him.
He is worse than a rodent. He is despicable & a fool. And what sort of person, even as a chilkd, idolises Adolf Hitler?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't object to her criticising his policies or political persuasion - but why is calling someone 'ginger' an insult?
It happens too often - and causes serious bullying problems amongst children.

Someone in her position should know that stooping to name calling means you have lost the argument. Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't object to her criticising his policies or political persuasion - but why is calling someone 'ginger' an insult?


I think she was describing the rodent, to be honest. She got it wrong with the reference to "ginger" but she was right about the "rodent" bit.
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Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.

I agree RB...I saw it on the news not long ago and it wasn't an off the cuff remark, she was reading from notes....and looked pretty pleased with herself as she spoke the words...it beggars belief she read through it beforehand yet still thought it okay.... Rolling Eyes
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I don't object to her criticising his policies or political persuasion - but why is calling someone 'ginger' an insult?
It happens too often - and causes serious bullying problems amongst children.

Someone in her position should know that stooping to name calling means you have lost the argument. Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.

Her comment was taken out of context. She only mentioned "ginger" because she commented that many Labour supporters are keen conservationists & want to protect the endangered species of the Red Squirell. She added that, however, there is one Ginger Rodent that they would be pleased to be rid of.

Now, when is Danny Alexander going to apologise for calling people on Housing Benefit in our cities "the mess" that he & he fellow rodents are going to get rid of- ie, send them to dodhy B&B's on the coast?

And as for the media & ConDems accusing London Mayor Boris Johnson of being part of Labour Scare Tactics!!! Boris is of course a solid Tory. But he has some sense & declared himself aposed to Kosovo styled social cleansing in London
Is that so terrible? If he sticks to his guns he may even get my vote
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

becky sharp wrote:
Red Baron wrote:
Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.

I agree RB...I saw it on the news not long ago and it wasn't an off the cuff remark, she was reading from notes....and looked pretty pleased with herself as she spoke the words...it beggars belief she read through it beforehand yet still thought it okay.... Rolling Eyes

She was right to be pleased. It was an accurate comment
And she must be the only person who has not called him a Muppet. He should be grateful for that
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
Red Baron wrote:
I don't object to her criticising his policies or political persuasion - but why is calling someone 'ginger' an insult?
It happens too often - and causes serious bullying problems amongst children.

Someone in her position should know that stooping to name calling means you have lost the argument. Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.

Her comment was taken out of context. She only mentioned "ginger" because she commented that many Labour supporters are keen conservationists & want to protect the endangered species of the Red Squirell. She added that, however, there is one Ginger Rodent that they would be pleased to be rid of.

Now, when is Danny Alexander going to apologise for calling people on Housing Benefit in our cities "the mess" that he & he fellow rodents are going to get rid of- ie, send them to dodhy B&B's on the coast?

And as for the media & ConDems accusing London Mayor Boris Johnson of being part of Labour Scare Tactics!!! Boris is of course a solid Tory. But he has some sense & declared himself aposed to Kosovo styled social cleansing in London
Is that so terrible? If he sticks to his guns he may even get my vote


I'm not quibbling about her having a go at his policies - I just don't find it acceptable to use the word Ginger as an insult. Why is it necessary to bring anyone's looks into a political argument?
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Red Baron wrote:
Clive55 wrote:
Red Baron wrote:
I don't object to her criticising his policies or political persuasion - but why is calling someone 'ginger' an insult?
It happens too often - and causes serious bullying problems amongst children.

Someone in her position should know that stooping to name calling means you have lost the argument. Considering it was a pre-written speech, it was a disgrace.

Her comment was taken out of context. She only mentioned "ginger" because she commented that many Labour supporters are keen conservationists & want to protect the endangered species of the Red Squirell. She added that, however, there is one Ginger Rodent that they would be pleased to be rid of.

Now, when is Danny Alexander going to apologise for calling people on Housing Benefit in our cities "the mess" that he & he fellow rodents are going to get rid of- ie, send them to dodhy B&B's on the coast?

And as for the media & ConDems accusing London Mayor Boris Johnson of being part of Labour Scare Tactics!!! Boris is of course a solid Tory. But he has some sense & declared himself aposed to Kosovo styled social cleansing in London
Is that so terrible? If he sticks to his guns he may even get my vote


I'm not quibbling about her having a go at his policies - I just don't find it acceptable to use the word Ginger as an insult. Why is it necessary to bring anyone's looks into a political argument?

Fair point. It followed on from her comments about the Red Squirells, but still silly & undermines the more important argument
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Clive55 wrote:

It was an accurate comment

It was a childish comment which didn't further the debate one jot and only served to detract from the serious political issues she was there to talk about.....personally I expect better from elected politicians.

Like RB, I have no quibble in her having a go at his policies...far from it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though Harriet Harman has apologised for her "Ginger Rodent" comments, Rodent Danny is universally known by this moniker in his homeland
Have a look at this leading Scottish Newspaper

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/mps-accuse-ginger-rodent-of-creating-a-dog-s-dinner-1.1065964

MPs accuse ‘ginger rodent’ of creating a dog’s dinner
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
Even though Harriet Harman has apologised for her "Ginger Rodent" comments, Rodent Danny is universally known by this moniker in his homeland
Have a look at this leading Scottish Newspaper

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/mps-accuse-ginger-rodent-of-creating-a-dog-s-dinner-1.1065964

MPs accuse ‘ginger rodent’ of creating a dog’s dinner



Yes but Clive, the Scottish report was 4 Nov, a week AFTER Harman coined the phrase/description.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Hariet Harman is a fool
After disgracing herself with silly comments rather than making a serious political point, she was very quick to support the judges deselkecting an elected Labour MP for exposing his Lib Dem oponents support of Islamic extremism & racism.
She is the ultimate opportunist. She could almost be a liberal democrat
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Clive the so called elected MP was found to have broken the rules by knowingly publishing false information about one of his opponents
He won by only just over 100 votes so clearly this factor could have and probably did influence the outcome
As a Conservative voter I'm no great fan of Harriet Harman or Islamic extremists but surely you have to accept that deliberately lying is unacceptable by any Parliamentary candidate especially a former Minister
The ironic thing about it is of course that owing to the present economic situation Labour will probably win the by election with a much increased majority so I think in a way the electoral court has done Labour a big favour albeit unintentionally
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Clive the so called elected MP was found to have broken the rules by knowingly publishing false information about one of his opponents
He won by only just over 100 votes so clearly this factor could have and probably did influence the outcome
As a Conservative voter I'm no great fan of Harriet Harman or Islamic extremists but surely you have to accept that deliberately lying is unacceptable by any Parliamentary candidate especially a former Minister
The ironic thing about it is of course that owing to the present economic situation Labour will probably win the by election with a much increased majority so I think in a way the electoral court has done Labour a big favour albeit unintentionally

I don't agree he was lying. His Lib dem opponent stands by his alliance with the Muslim Public Affairs Committee which is an extremist organization who says it will target all Jewish MP's "till the last Jew is voted out".
It also supports Britain adopting Sharia law & supports terrorist groups Hamas & Hizbollah.
I recall when the Hamas Suicide bomber blew up a Pizzeria in Jerusalem killing women & Children among others the MPAC issued a statement of support and praising the "brave Martyrs" who perpetrated these atrocities.
It is also a fact that when invited, publicly, to condemn the Islamist death threats against Mr. Woolas the Lib Dem candidate refused to do so.
Mr Wools was being honest
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Also, my stance on this is NOT dictated by party loyalty
Ken Livingston took a similar Islamist stance (though at least not descending to overt anti semitism) & I refused to give him my vote for that reason voting instead for Boris Johnson, the only time I have ever voted Tory
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Clive I understand what you are saying and I am very strongly against the organisations which you mention but the fact is that a court found as a matter of fact that the person concerned did publish deliberate untruths against his opponent
In those circumstances it really does not matter what you or I may think because if we both believe in the rule of law then we have to accept the verdict of a properly convened court
I know judges don't always get it right but there is an appeals procedure and it is up to the person concerned to use this if his lawyers feel there is any chance of success
I believe he is going to request Judicial Review of the decision so perhaps its best to wait and see what happens
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