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mark occomore
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 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: Sin Fein Martin McGuiness To Meet tHE Queen |
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Sin Fein Martin McGuiness is to meet the Queen when she visits Belfast. Her Majesty will also shake the former IRA leader. Sin Fein President Gerry Adams said this is the right time as the peace progress continues.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18552221
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I have to say this is a good thing,there was right and wrong on both sides and NI although still far from peaceful is a better place then 10-20 years ago.
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Sorry I have to disagree - once a terrorist always a terrorist - and the fact that someone suddenly goes legit cannot and does not excuse their previous terrible crimes
Don't forget the IRA were responsible for the death of Lord Mountbatten the Queen's uncle
Would you want to shake hands with someone who had slaughtered one of your relatives for no good reason other than allegedly to try to achieve unification of Northern Ireland into the Irish state against the wishes of the majority of its population
McGuiness is a common criminal - pure and simple 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Sorry I have to disagree - once a terrorist always a terrorist - and the fact that someone suddenly goes legit cannot and does not excuse their previous terrible crimes
Don't forget the IRA were responsible for the death of Lord Mountbatten the Queen's uncle
Would you want to shake hands with someone who had slaughtered one of your relatives for no good reason other than allegedly to try to achieve unification of Northern Ireland into the Irish state against the wishes of the majority of its population
McGuiness is a common criminal - pure and simple |
Move on! The people of NI have.......... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Well we'll see Shaky
I'm not suggesting that Northern Ireland is immediately likely to return to the bad old days of 30 years ago and I'm really glad that the inhabitants are now benefitting from more than ten years of relative peace but hostilities have not gone away in my view - they have just been temporarily put on ice - until such time as it suits the sucessors of Adams and McGuiness to revive them
What you have to understand is that there are some people who will use the democratic system when it suits them to play the 'good guy' hoping that people will forget what they are really like and sadly many people do forget - until in another 30 years time the whole cycle repeats itself and innocent people in pubs start dying again thanks to Mc Guiness's sucessors 
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As i said there was good and bad on both sides Bloody sunday comes to mind and on the other hand you have the birmingham pub bombings.A fresh start has to be made though i do agree with Ruddles on the situation in NI.I was there in a protestent villiage with red white and blue kerbs and i felt unsafe and im english.I am from an irish catholic family though and if i had been asked my surname i would have said smith lol
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Sorry I have to disagree - once a terrorist always a terrorist - and the fact that someone suddenly goes legit cannot and does not excuse their previous terrible crimes
Don't forget the IRA were responsible for the death of Lord Mountbatten the Queen's uncle
Would you want to shake hands with someone who had slaughtered one of your relatives for no good reason other than allegedly to try to achieve unification of Northern Ireland into the Irish state against the wishes of the majority of its population
McGuiness is a common criminal - pure and simple |
History is full of common criminals. My uncle was a POW in Malaya and somehow survived the evil Japanese. Much later he owned a Sony TV.
After serving in the trenches of the Somme in WW1, my grandfather was posted to Northern Ireland and was a mere few feet away from his best friend who was shot in the head by an IRA marksman while on late-night patrol. My grandfather loved Guinness and loved the Irish. He told me that the British were "terrorists" in Northern Ireland as well.
Who's right? Who's wrong?
We have to move on. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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With due respect Colin if you think about it your grandfather was talking bull ---t
The position was that a certain minority in Northern Ireland refused to accept the views of the majority which was put to a democratic vote and the outcome was that most people wanted Northern Ireland to remain a part of Britain
Yes, you might be right that history is full of common criminals but of course you can't compare the likes of Nelson Mandela with Martin McGuiness - Mandela was a persecuted individual in his own country which eventually he was instumental in freeing from apartheid whereas Mc Guiness tried to destroy his own country quite simply because he did not want to be a part of it - in fact he was a traitor and years ago would have been punished by death which would have done us all a very big favour 
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| I've been to NI recently and what I found absolutely chilling were the murals and union flags in protestant areas of Belfast. Perhaps that is the section of the community that needs to move on. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | With due respect Colin if you think about it your grandfather was talking bull ---t |
There's no respect whatever in your statement, Ruddles. Although my grandfather rarely spoke of his experiences in the Somme, he did talk of his experiences in northern Ireland, and he did tell me of some of the things that his British comrades did.
And he wouldn't take too kindly to being accused of talking bullshit, either. |
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| essexlady wrote: | | I've been to NI recently and what I found absolutely chilling were the murals and union flags in protestant areas of Belfast. Perhaps that is the section of the community that needs to move on. |
I entirely agree with your comments Essexlady having been there myself but the fact is if you go to certain Catholic areas - not all I stress- you will find images on walls of the Irish Tricola and references to historic events like 'Bloody Sunday' and the dead hunger strikers from a few years ago
Add to that the fact that few sensible people really believe that all weapons have been fully decommisioned - you only need to look at recent bombings and shootings by the Continuity IRA anr Real IRA to realise that - then the truth is the whole problem could easily flare up again as a result of the smallest trigger
Tony Blair that famous self publicising PR man who called himself Prime Minister thought it would make him look good if he could give the appearance of solving the Northern Ireland problem and as a fantastic PR politician he did a great job in making people believe what he was saying but the truth is there are certain problems in the world which are unsolvable like the Middle East and Northern Ireland - the best that can ever happen is for the problems to be contained - and at the moment in Northern Ireland that is what is happening
But don't be fooled into buying into Blair's line that the current situation is permanent - after all we are talking about the man who was instrumental in killing thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East and now claims to be capable of doing the job of peace envoy for which he is no doubt being very well rewarded - people are very naive if they place any store on a single word that man says 
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | | ruddlescat wrote: | | With due respect Colin if you think about it your grandfather was talking bull ---t |
There's no respect whatever in your statement, Ruddles. Although my grandfather rarely spoke of his experiences in the Somme, he did talk of his experiences in northern Ireland, and he did tell me of some of the things that his British comrades did.
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Don't be silly Colin - of course there's respect - I'm sure your grandfather was a very fine man who did great things for his country including preserving the right of all of us to free speech
That however doesn't mean he was necessarily right on every issue and, exercising my right to free speech , I was simply expressing my view that on this issue I feel he was wrong - there's nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | I was simply expressing my view that on this issue I feel he was wrong - there's nothing wrong with a bit of plain speaking now and again |
You can express any view you like. I'm just telling you what he told me about what British troops did in northern Ireland between the two world wars. Take it or leave it.
So, back to the issue of whether the Queen is wise to meet McGuinness..... |
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There was wrongdoing on both sides I guess and to be honest I've always thought of McGuinness as a slippery, untrustworthy character.
However, if The Queen meeting him is another step which helps in the healing process and a more peaceful future then I would say yes, go for it.
I can quite understand why some will find this uncomfortable though. |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The disagreement with some groups in Northern Ireland always be tense. It be similar to the Taliban and will never completely end. I just hope David Cameron can continue with the peace effort which Tony Blair continued on with after John Major started the foundations for. |
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It was humbling (to me) to hear Michael Gallagher's (he lost a younger brother and his only son in separate incidents) thoughts on the hand shaking that will take place between The Queen and Martin McGuinness...for anyone who would like to listen it's two hours and 18 minutes into the programme that was on 5Live this morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01k69tc |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| The hands have been shaken and now we can move on. Nor the Queen or Mr McGuiness will meet eachother again. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Nor the Queen or Mr McGuiness will meet eachother again. |
That's that then. |
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Prince Philip made a rather swift side step................
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| Yes I think the Duke's body language spoke volumes. |
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| Notice that only one picture of the "contact" was published in the press. I reckon it didn't happen and the image was Photoshopped instead. |
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| No, there is actual footage of the handshake taking place so it did happen. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Toggy wrote: | | No, there is actual footage of the handshake taking place so it did happen. |
You could do anything in CGI these days!!!
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | Prince Philip made a rather swift side step................
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I saw the Duke Of Hazard doing that. He's not ran that fast in years. |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Helen May wrote: | Prince Philip made a rather swift side step................
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I saw the Duke Of Hazard doing that. He's not ran that fast in years. |
Who? |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | Helen May wrote: | Prince Philip made a rather swift side step................
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I saw the Duke Of Hazard doing that. He's not ran that fast in years. |
Is he the bloke who controls all these damned motorway cones placed in locations where absolutely nothing is happening 
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As The Queen shook the hand of Martin McGuiness she was heard to ask "hello, what do you do?"  |
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He's called the Duke of Hazard for all the quotes he's said over the years.  |
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