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ColinB
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject: So this is Christmas....... Reply with quote

......... so sang John Lennon way back when.

Do all the high street stores play the same tired old CD? No matter what store you walk in or past you hear the strains (and it is a strain!) of Slade, Roy Wood, McCartney, G. Michael, the Band Aid mob, etc etc. And that's not forgetting the fact that in the week running up to Christmas we'll be subjected to the same rubbish on R2 as producers all come up with the brilliant idea of bombarding listeners with this samey old rubbish as well!!! What a load of rubbish!

Blimey, talk about overkill!

Still, not long until the most important day of the season - The Winter Solstice. Then things start to get a teensy-weensy bit lighter each day. That's what I look forward to.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Radio 2 is going to quite an effort this year to play different Christmas tunes. Several of the shows are asking us to write in with suggestions for Christmas tracks that rarely, if ever, get played. There are loads of them too. The problem is- people in general remember Christmas as an amorphous blob of a good time but which is actually all the good things about all previous Christmases bundled into one single memory, which means the compilation CDs of the no 1s over the years tends to be the musical blob of a memory people have and so is what they ask for. Itís also why Christmas is always a disappointment because the current Christmas on its own can never live up to the amorphous blob of memory of excitement and good times that all previous Christmases have become.

This is Christmas....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFPM-9u80E
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
Actually Radio 2 is going to quite an effort this year to play different Christmas tunes. Several of the shows are asking us to write in with suggestions for Christmas tracks that rarely, if ever, get played. There are loads of them too. The problem is- people in general remember Christmas as an amorphous blob of a good time but which is actually all the good things about all previous Christmases bundled into one single memory, which means the compilation CDs of the no 1s over the years tends to be the musical blob of a memory people have and so is what they ask for. Itís also why Christmas is always a disappointment because the current Christmas on its own can never live up to the amorphous blob of memory of excitement and good times that all previous Christmases have become.


Phew, there are lots of amorphous blobs in those Christmases past, Rachel!!!

Actually, my memory of our Christmases is that the festivities occupied a much shorter period of time than they do now. Things never really got "Christmassy" anywhere until the week before Christmas itself, and even then it wasn't as intense as it is now. In the 60s I certainly recall there being TV ads for Christmassy stuff in October or cheesy music being played in shops (actually, there never was music in shops that I recall). I also remember always having a good family get-together on Christmas eve with one set of grand-parents or the other, especially when uncles and cousins were on leave from the Army, Navy or whatever (I was brought up in Guz - being a former Royal Navy person you'll know where that is!).

What I dislike most about modern-day Christmas (and that's even from the position of Confirmed Atheist) is the overt - and cynical - commercialism of the festive period.

But I guess I ain't gonna change things, people being people. I can still have a good moan though! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sort of agree with you there, Colin.

When I was little, Christmas started on Christmas Eve and lasted until early January- the shops were closed for a week- could you get batteries anywhere? No! It was a big watching the telly fest- loads of people around- toys and nuts everywhere! Having six older brothers it was quite hectic at times too. Now, it all seems to stop with the Boxing Day sofa sales- ok kids weíre going to look around several sofa shops but donít worry you can take your Gameboy or DS or whatever the latest handheld game console is. That isnít Christmas! Christmas is building a Submarine under your brothersí bunk-beds, firing Barbie doll torpedoes at your Auntie, climbing the stairway of doom with your Uncle before being eaten by a large sea-monster which is hiding at the top, driving a tractor which happens to be your dad Ė his ears are the steering wheel, playing the chocolate game with a large pair of wellingtons, some big gloves and your grannyís hat! Yay! Eating so many Satsumas you turn orange. Selection Boxes! Postal Orders and open fires.

GuzÖ yes I know it well.

Moaning can be a form of release I guess.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about these Christmas rarities? The Tractors - Santa Claus is coming in a boogie woogie train': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKyd97_B9U
Steeleye Span - 'The Boars Head Carol': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVwr5B6VQZk
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I entirely agree that Christmas is not the same as it used to be forty years ago

Its starts far too early and because of this its significance is substantially decreased

As has been said Christmas is not about hitting the sales on Boxing Day trying to get a so called bargain it should be about families and tradition and making the festive season special for the next generation

People can go shopping anytime but tradition can be lost if it is not valued at the appropriate time
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And another couple of Christmas rarities: Psychadelic 'Jingle Bells' by Fab 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Oy5_NW_zP0
Or a reggae take on 'I saw mummy kissing Santa Claus by Johnny Clarke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b4LG5Y6EGY
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The holly and the Ivy
The mistletoe as well
Are sitting with the Brusselsís sprouts
Green grocers have to sell

The tinsel and the baubles
That I took down last year
Are looking sad and battered now
I need some more, oh dear

The presents will need wrapping
But I must buy them first
The whisky adverts on TV
Have given me a thirst

So I am going shopping
With fully loaded purse
So Iíll finish off this Carol now
Before it gets much worse
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's really nice Sadie but the subject of sprouts is rather a sore point with me at the moment

I went down to Morrisons yesterday only to find there was not a sprout in sight but I did spot a member of staff telling a group of irate customers that the reason for the problem was because the growers apparently could not get the sprouts out of the frozen ground

Most people seemed to accept this explanation or should I say excuse but I thought to myself sprouts grow on stalks sticking up out of the ground and get harvested by picking so why on earth would anyone try to dig them up out of the ground

When I spoke to a manageress she seemed equally clueless and I pointed out to her that sprouts are a winter vegetable which are supposed to taste better if picked in frosty conditions but she just stared at me blankly

What on earth is wrong with people in this country these days
I told her next time I go there if I ever do I'm going to present the store with the annual Basil Fawlty award for the best lame excuse of 2010 Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
What on earth is wrong with people in this country these days


I think we're referring to the same group of people who will moan that there are too many HGVs clogging up our town centres and they should be banned - even those that are carrying sprouts that have just been dug from the frozen soil!

The word to describe them all is "thick".

Rolling Eyes

By the way, in a TV street "vox pop" a 14-year-old child is asked where milk comes from. Her answer was "Sainsbury's". That's what we're having to deal with!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
That's really nice Sadie but the subject of sprouts is rather a sore point with me at the moment

I went down to Morrisons yesterday only to find there was not a sprout in sight but I did spot a member of staff telling a group of irate customers that the reason for the problem was because the growers apparently could not get the sprouts out of the frozen ground

Most people seemed to accept this explanation or should I say excuse but I thought to myself sprouts grow on stalks sticking up out of the ground and get harvested by picking so why on earth would anyone try to dig them up out of the ground

When I spoke to a manageress she seemed equally clueless and I pointed out to her that sprouts are a winter vegetable which are supposed to taste better if picked in frosty conditions but she just stared at me blankly

What on earth is wrong with people in this country these days
I told her next time I go there if I ever do I'm going to present the store with the annual Basil Fawlty award for the best lame excuse of 2010 Mad


Is there a variety of sprout called Waldorf, I wonder? Very Happy

We get this sort of scare about sprouts nearly every year, and they manage to get 'em out in the end, just in time. From a photograph I saw in the Telegraph at the weekend, I think sprouts are grown both on stalks and in the ground. Anyway, milder weather forecast for the weekend - expect a frenzy of activity on a sprout farm near you, and get the pan boiling ready.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I entirely agree that Christmas is not the same as it used to be forty years ago

Its starts far too early and because of this its significance is substantially decreased

As has been said Christmas is not about hitting the sales on Boxing Day trying to get a so called bargain it should be about families and tradition and making the festive season special for the next generation

People can go shopping anytime but tradition can be lost if it is not valued at the appropriate time



As far as the shops go, I think they were pretty well in full gear forty years ago. They might not have been quite as early as Selfridge's was this year, but John Lewis stores have always cleared aside their garden furniture in mid-September to make way for the Christmas trees and baubles.

In our childhood the only things which concerned us between Christmas and the January return to school were whether the chocolate coins would last that long and keeping brother's sticky fingers away from... just about everything. They were called the January Sales, so I suppose they didn't start until Jan 2; can't remember when they were brought forward.

The Americans were way ahead of us in the commercialism of Christmas anyway. I think I've posted this before but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPGJ5-XAcM
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:


By the way, in a TV street "vox pop" a 14-year-old child is asked where milk comes from. Her answer was "Sainsbury's". That's what we're having to deal with!

Kids eh?..bless em...when they are buying it for themselves they'll soon learn it comes from Marks and Sparks... Wink
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The Americans were way ahead of us in the commercialism of Christmas anyway. I think I've posted this before but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPGJ5-XAcM

Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:

The Americans were way ahead of us in the commercialism of Christmas anyway. I think I've posted this before but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPGJ5-XAcM


I've just found this. It seems we were thinking the same fifty years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BQBKClJeY&feature=related
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