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Clive55



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:49 am    Post subject: Tunisia Reply with quote

We are seeing riots & mayhem in the streets of Tunisia. Over excitable BBC correspondents have been hailing this as "people power" an "uprising" & the "awakening" of the "Arab Street"
They talk about possible domino effects with "people power" unseating "repressive" regimes in Jordan & Egypt.
Interesting that the countries the BBC correspondents single out as "repressive" are the two Arab regimes which have begun to democratise & are allies of the USA & have peace treaties with Israel.

We saw pictures of a small group of jihadist fanatics outside the Tunisian embassy in Amman, Jordan. The reporter excitedly talked about this as the start of an "uprising" in Jordan & furthering the struggle for "Democracy" in the Arab world.

We saw the same excitable nonsense spoken when the Revolution in Iran took place. And look at the result. A fanaticly repressive government developing nuclear weapons & destabalising the region. Remember the first action of "Revolutionary Iran"? Taking US embassy staff hostage, stoning to death "adulterous" women & invading Iraq.

The Jordanian & Egyptian regimes are very stable, thank God, & we will not see them overturned. But if we did we would see Iranian puppet regimes in place in Jordan & Egypt. This would result in the end of peace treaties with Israel & the start of suicidal regional wars.

And the anger of the "Arab street" would not only be vented against Israel- more at risk would be the plummy British "Arabist" ambassadors & journalists over there who would be seen as nothing more than "imperialists" & be torn limb from limb.

As to Tunisia itself, it is just a couple of decades since Islamist "militants" were blowing up thousands on the streets of that country.

Do we REALLY want a return to that????
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about Tunisia, but do we really want to see the Mob take over a relatively stable Arab country?

Lebanon is the only Arab country to have flirted with democracy & they are heading for yet another civil war!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been reading up about Tunisia. As I expected, one of the more moderate & tolerant of Arab countries.
It is also one of the more liberal Arab countries in terms of civil rights. It is one of the few Arab countries where Women have equal rights under the law.
It is also one of the few Arab nations where the Jewish minority are not only not persecuted, but are actually protected by the regime from racist Arab mobs.

Do these western liberal reporters & commentators really want to see Tunisia become another hotbed of intolerance & fanatiscm? Seems like it
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tunisia was run by a despot who did not let people have their say. 9Like many other leaders in North Africa

As it is the trouble started by a guy just wanting to feed is family...an educated guy. There are many like him in Tunisia. That is why the trouble started. I am sorry to see looters and robbers get on the bandwaggon. This is.... at the moment a secular revolution and I hope it stays that way.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12198039


Having lived in Egypt for the past 5 years I would in no way say that this is a stable country. I can see problems here and there have been ....but never reported in the west. The only trouble with Egypt is that it will probabily not be secular as the Muslim brother hood are waiting in the wings. The young people are not as educated as Tunisia If a revolution hits..... there there will be more of a blood bath

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/uprising-brings-joy-to-tunisia-ndash-and-fear-to-the-regions-autocrats-2185820.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blondehedgehog, there may be secular elements involved in the unrest, but I have my doubt as to whether a secular, moderate government can come to power in an Arab/Muslim country as a result of revolution.
Iran (of course not an arab country, but a Muslim country in an adjacent region) is an example
In 1979 there were alot of secular elemments involved in the revolution- but of course it was the islamists who took over in Iranj & we all know the result.

As to those guys demonstrating outside the Algerian Embassy in Amman- some of them were certainly the same guys demonstrating in solidarity with AHmajinidad as he repressed opposition groups in Tehran. I recall the banners calling for "Death to" the "Zionist counter-revolutionaries" in Iran!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tunisia will not go the way of Iran, it is too reliant on the western pund/ dollar/euro 50% of working people in Tunisia work in the tourist industry.
The only trouble now is the few police who are loyal to the ousted President but the army which by all accoutn very popular on the street will stop it. Yes this guy needed kicking out, it's all over now nothing to see will be the message quite quickly.
The new government will have to get on it very quickly. What they need more than anything else is an opposition party /parties that's part of the reason for the trouble
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see Tunisia going the way of Iran....they are open minded and not so hard Islamic.

This guy wrote a good piece

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/the-brutal-truth-about-tunisia-2186287.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blondehedgehog wrote:
I dont see Tunisia going the way of Iran....they are open minded and not so hard Islamic.

This guy wrote a good piece

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/the-brutal-truth-about-tunisia-2186287.html


One of the most fascistic Arab countries is Syria. Still ruled by the Arabg National Socialist (Bathist) Party, based on the German model,

I don't think "Democracy" in a simplistic form would be advantageous in the Arab world at present.

Imagine the middle east with Egypt, Jordan & other countries dancing to an Iranian tune? The current minor conflict between Israel & the Palestinians would seem like a tea party

We would see raging wars ascross the region & wholesale murder of remaining ethnic & religious minorities in the region. Arab countries are the least tolerant of societies.
The few Arab countries which are tolererant of their remaining Jewish minorities- Morroco & Tunisia- would see the few thousand remaining Jews murdered or exiled, as happened years ago in the rest of the Arab world.

Does the world really want more Abdel Nassers in the region, or even worse Ahmajinidads??
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A government set in place......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12209621
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blondehedgehog wrote:
A government set in place......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12209621


Until the next one.
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