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John W



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:36 pm    Post subject: Police UK Reply with quote

Now that traffic to the Police UK website has settled down it's very quick now (late evening) so I've had a look round our area.

In December, in our area 2 miles radius,

one crime 'on or near' our street, but round the corner 19 !

'Other crime' is 15 of that 19, which includes shoplifting so I'm wondering if that includes shoplifting at the Asda supermarket which is off/near that street.

Another 'hot spot' is a little cul-de-sac of bungalows with 18, that's an oddly high figure, and another 20 in a street of big posh houses but also a McD's and two petrol stations

Nearest burglary is a mile away, nearest violent crime was just round the corner!


http://www.police.uk/
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes John but what is classified as a violent crime might be something as minor as one person pushing another in the course of an argument which would be charged as common assault which is classified as a violent crime

I think the whole system is very dangerous not least because it runs the risk of creating crime ghettos where it will become impossible to sell your house rather like school league tables distorted the housing market

It could also create a situation where certain areas become uninsurable and there could be certain other anomolies quite apart from the cost involved of running the whole scheme

It's one of those things which sounds ideal in theory but in practice can create an awful lot of problems
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it, abandoned 999 calls which cannot be traced to a specific address are registered at the address of the Police communication centre, which may be in a quiet residential area. This reflects badly on the local area statistics. I believe some forces (including my own local plod), use a bogus address for these "mickey mouse street,lincoln", which cancels out these bogus stats, but others do not.
Perhaps the Home Office should issue some directives.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool beans.. No crime in our road and 2 ASBs round the corner- quite a few, 82, in the town centre though.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what this site is for apart from a brief interest now as it's new and then if you were thinking of moving to an area?

3 in my street 1 burglary, 1 ASB and 1 AN Other Peterborough south (the better side I believe) 174 I nearly fell off my chair
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very little in our area, even, relatively speaking, in the town shopping centre which has several pubs, takeaways and two supermarkets.

I do tend to agree with ruddles, although people moving into any area would make enquiries of friends or people living locally, and insurance companies already have this information, in addition to their own claims experience, and they already load premiums according to individual postcodes.

For example, there is much more shown in the western part of our NG postcode, the bit within the city boundary, and this will come as no surprise to anyone who knows Nottingham.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A columnist typed Downing Street, Westminster into this and this is what he got!! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/routledge/2011/02/04/it-s-criminal-they-re-in-downing-street-115875-22897076/ Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Routlidge just a cheap stunt
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many police officers could have been employed instead of spending money on this?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela W wrote:
How many police officers could have been employed instead of spending money on this?


Don't worry Angela, all police stations have a good number of civilian employees and volunteers to do paperwork, compile statistics etc not many beat officers will have been involved getting this IT tool up and running.

I'm sure our local bobbies will be as mystified as I am about the silly hotspots identified in our area.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has taken me ages to get on to the site. On checking I find that just round the corner from me there is an ASB.............. Shocked that is a street of elderly people...... Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
Angela W wrote:
How many police officers could have been employed instead of spending money on this?


Don't worry Angela, all police stations have a good number of civilian employees and volunteers to do paperwork, compile statistics etc not many beat officers will have been involved getting this IT tool up and running.

I'm sure our local bobbies will be as mystified as I am about the silly hotspots identified in our area.


Sorry John, I didn't put this very well. What I meant was how many extra police officers could have been employed with the money that has been spent/wasted in paying for this website?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the data relating to my own postcode, and my first reaction was "So what?".

Another case of statistics revealing a lot whilst also revealing nothing.

What a complete waste of resources (not to mention data). Let's have a portal containing the results of user-generated data in which we can see a graph containing details of "crimes that people don't bother reporting because they know their Police won't bother turning up". Now THAT would be interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just did mine via facebook beacause i was bored and since December in a one mile radius we had 412!!! we do have a nightclub or two nearby and most were asbo's
Saying that i have lived in lowestoft 6 years and i have been broken into and had my car stolen but in 34 years of living in London not one thing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Angela W wrote:
Sorry John, I didn't put this very well. What I meant was how many extra police officers could have been employed with the money that has been spent/wasted in paying for this website?


Not many I expect as there are plans to reduce the number of officers on the beat across the whole country.

Police UK will likely become a useful tool for Neigborhood Watch and other community organisations, in fact NW folk will likely make efforts to get the data more 'accurate' like get our local bungalow cul-de-sac 'hotspot' issue resolved - I don't think all the houses were broken into last month!
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