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Helen May
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| Rachel wrote: | | Helen May wrote: | Which bus will you get next Rachel? As far as I can see there's not a lot of choice.
Why should a station with an age remit of 35+ have to cater for children? I'm not after 'adult' content but I don't want shows to have spots aimed specifically at children. Why is it impossible these days for a child to entertain themselves? They've got to have their every moment filled for them. Maybe they could use there imagination for half.
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Are you saying that people over 35 aren’t interested in children or what they have to say? |
An awful lot of the people I know aren't Rachel. There comes a time when you've had enough of them!
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ruddlescat
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Your idea about 1 Extra being a bridge between Radios One and Two makes perfect sense to me Helen, and I would not be opposed to the idea of a seperate channel on radio devoted to children's interests perhaps with limited operating hours if it could be afforded but I expect in these straightened times the best it could be is an idea for the future
I completely agree that children need to be able to entertain themselves through play because that way they become less reliant on other people when they grow up and learn a great deal in an enjoyable way
More children need to read books rather than spend their time being glued to modern technology screens like Playstation etc and of course there should be things on both radio and TV which interest them
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | but the perception by a lot of people |
Name just 50 of them. |
A "lot" is subjective - but I can honestly say that I don't know a single person who now listens to R2 at breakfast who were previously regular listeners (and that's a few). And that's just in my little microcosm.
| Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | but the perception by a lot of people |
Name just 50 of them. |
A "lot" is subjective, of course - but I can honestly say that I don't know a single person who now listens to R2 at breakfast who were previously regular listeners (and that's a few). And that's just in my little microcosm.
| Rachel wrote: | | Are you saying that people over 35 aren’t interested in children or what they have to say? |
Real children - yes. The precocious little buggers whose mummies and daddies get them to phone into Chrissy-Wissy on the radio - no. |
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Helen May
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | I completely agree that children need to be able to entertain themselves through play because that way they become less reliant on other people when they grow up and learn a great deal in an enjoyable way |
I'll put the flags out for that Ruddles! I almost said the same but wondered if anyone else would agree.
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Rachel
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| "When childhood dies, its corpses are called adults and they enter society, one of the politer names of hell. That is why we dread children, even if we love them, they show us the state of our decay.” |
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kengeo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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On the point which was made about moving from Radio One to Radio Two I have to slightly disagree with some recent comments
When I stopped listening to Radio One in or about 1994 having been evicted by the dreadful Bannister idiot there was really nowhere for me and others like me to go because at that time Radio 2 was still stuck in the 1950's under the stewardship of Frances Line
Clearly when the changes were made to Radio One she should have recruited people like DLT and Simon Bates and Gary Davies for Radio Two so former Radio One listeners would still be able to enjoy their treasured shows and there would have been a sense of proper continuity
Frances Line being a complete idiot failed to realise this and as a result many people like me became extremely annoyed and very grumpy
People transferring from Radio One today simply do not have the same problems but listeners being forced out of Radio Two have limited options until such time as every station has better national coverage
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That more or less describes my listening habits post 1993, I have said on many occasions that a wealth of experience went out of the window (how I would love to hear Adrian Juste on a Saturday afternoon again), only after Jim Moir's appointment did the BBC win me back circa 97/98.
I get a little fed up with the commenter's who think that the likes Evans Ball Whitley and co are the bees knees, the reason being is that the people making these comments are probably 10-15 years younger than I am, but the likes of the above just remind me of the R1 of 1997 that I hated post Banister.
These people are lucky, they have somewhere to go now that all their 'fav' presenters have crossed the corridor to R2.
I don't - and it looks like I'm again going to be lost to the BBC, somewhat surprising as us GenX's or Babyboomers make up a fair percentage of the licence paying listening public, we seemingly are not being catered for.
I may speak for myself but I do NOT think Feltz, Evans, Ball are the type of presenter that should be gracing the R2 daytime schedules, yes the listening figures may be good, but we've been there before, it may well be the case that listening figures may start to decline (remember R1) and Chris Moyles may yet become the 'Saviour of Radio 2' god help us! |
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Rachel
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: |
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ruddlescat
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Rachel, your post about 'When Childhood dies' I assume is some type of quotation either from a poem or something similar
Pardon my ignorance but I just wondered where it came from
English Literature was never my favourite subject at school - I much preferred reading Virgil's Aenead in the original Latin
Also I used to enjoy reading novels by Jean Paul Satre in French
Perhaps I was a bit unusual in that respect 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Rudds, it's a quote by Brian W. Aldiss- an author of mainly sci-fi books of the late 50s and 60s.
This thread really is just about the difference between what we would like for ourselves and how much of that we're prepared to give up so that other people can have what they like. |
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ruddlescat
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Thanks Rachel - to be honest I've never heard of him but it's a very interesting quote and I was surprised when you said it was only about sixty years old
It sounded to me more like the type of thing that would have been written in the days of Rupert Brooke or Siegfried Sassoon but I'm the first one to admit I know very little about such things
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Themanfromuncle
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| Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | | I’d not realised this place was so misanthropic. The world would be a great place, wouldn't it, if wasn’t for all those other people! |
Radio 2 (along with many other Brtish radio stations) would be a lot better if the bulk of the content weren't so banal! |
If every licence payer in the UK sent in a track request to Radio 2 (assuming 25 million Licence Payers and each track is 5 minutes) it would take nearly 238 years to get through them all! So I reckon if you hear just one track that you like in your lifetime , you’re doing pretty well, if you actually get a request played before you die, then you’ve beat the clock! |
Steve Wright's been presenting the same format for 238 years (at least that's how it feels) and we tolerate him everyday.........
.......oh wait, I don't, not anymore. I listen to a fresh sounding Radcliffe and Maconie on 6 music, and I have to say most of the day nowadays I'm tuned in to 6.
I don't want to hear big up, factoid, posse bigging him up, record, factoid, big up, love the show, factoid, record, posse, big up, record and love the show. If that's catering for 'everyone' then I'm Chris Rea.
Who are these people anyway, that are referred to as 'everyone'?
Most of 'everyone' are people that sit at home with nothing better to do than whinge and moan about everything and everyone (strange that). These people from 'Everyoneville' (wherever that is) would moan about the scruffy handwriting on the cheque if they won the lottery. They are not representative of everyday radio listeners, they are people that play the political game that the BBC trust play - A trust made up from bunch of stuffed shirts and pen pushers that seem to have the power to take a decent radio station and turn it in to total pap, and that's what has happened to Radio 2. They are like the F.A. in football - not a clue yet apparently have God-like powers. How many of them actually understand radio?
We have here a controller who has moved Radcliffe and Maconie aside yet has employed Alan Carr to butcher Saturday nights, and you're telling me that's what 'everyone' wants and deserves?
Sorry, but it's just another excuse to keep the likes of Evans, Norton and Carr in continuous work so that they can justify paying their obscene salary at the expense of some real radio talent. |
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Gibbo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | Years ago Radio 2 was not child oriented so why on earth does it have to be now?
Answer - because they are lowering the target audience age by the back door.
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Yes: Drive the "oldies" and their FM radios away. Get the average listener age down (with more chance of owning or investing in a DAB radio) and bingo, DAB listener stats are up and then can abandon FM. |
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Gibbo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Are you saying that people over 35 aren’t interested in children or what they have to say? Many of the children’s features are very entertaining in their own right to everyone not just children. A while back on the Breakfast Show, what are you doing for the first time today slot, there was a girl on there aged 7 I think, and when Chris said to her, will you come back tomorrow and tell us all about it, she said, in the most matter of fact way and with a perfect cut glass accent, “of course I will!”. I’m still laughing now. Brilliant. |
I'm certainly not. That kind of rubbish reminds me of Barrymore and "Kids Say the Funniest things" - an awful show that was soon scrapped.
I know I've said it before, but R2 for me has become like ITV - a home for cheap entertainment - chewing gum for the ears, with Saturday's being the worst. I don't wish to be homophobic but the Norton and Carr shows are essentially the same - two very camp men. |
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Ian Robinson
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Gibbo wrote: | | That kind of rubbish reminds me of Barrymore and "Kids Say the Funniest things" - an awful show that was soon scrapped. |
I think it was only scrapped 'cos of that incident at his house which happened soon after the second series was broadcast. |
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