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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

In order to avoid this happening we would need to exclude prisoners from the right to claim under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme

Whilst I'm all in favour of that we would immediately run into problems with the European Court in exactly the same way as we did over prisoners rights to vote

As long as we persist with this silly EU disaster such disgusting events will go on happening - we need to get out - not after 2017 - but right NOW Evil or Very Mad

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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

Colin - as far as the European Court is concerned it has everything to do with our EU membership not least because any single country cannot be a full member unless they accept the principle that decisions of that court take priority over those of even their highest domestic court

It is true that before the EU came into existence in its current form there was a European Court Of Human Rights which countries could sign up to voluntarily under the European Convention On Human Rights and Britain was one of the first signatories but the point is that its role was restricted to matters involving human rights and countries were free to leave at any time whereas these days the European Court has a very much wider remit - indeed the Human Rights Act was introduced to bring us into line with other European countries which in my view has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster Mad

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Helen May · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19334 Location: Cheshire

Yes we apply the rules far too strictly, by the book. I've said for years that the French and others let things 'lapse'.

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ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

I'm all in favour of defending 'human rights' but the problem we have at the moment is that the human rights of the ordinary bloke or woman in the street always seem to be subordinated to the rights of convicted criminals terrorists and other assorted foreign nationals to do almost whatever they like and this is totally unacceptable to most decent people

You only have to look who was behind the whole idea of the Human Rights Act - the same man who lied to Parliament over the Iraq war - now why does that not surprise me Evil or Very Mad

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Schizoidman · Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Posts: 1140 Location: Rural West Sussex

Human Rights are a good thing of course. The problem is that the media are very selective, concentrating on bizarre decisions such as letting a foreign terrorist stay on 'right to family life' grounds because he had a cat here (true by the way).
The public have every reason to be fed up with idiotic unelected judges reaching stupid decisions, but for every bad judgement there are probably several good ones.

Ruddles, I think it was the appalling Cherie, more than Tony, who was behind enshrining Human Rights legislation into UK law. She certainly did pretty well out of it.

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

A very good point Schiz - my cousin who lives in Cardiff and who now runs most of the big terrorist trials in London knew her quite well and was of a similar opinion - but there again for any PM to introduce legislation which is going to substantially benefit his spouse says a great deal about the person concerned - at that early stage people should have been warned but the majority of the silly electorate in the nineties could not see beyond the end of their political noses Mad

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Colin · Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Posts: 916

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

Sorry Colin but I wasn't aware I had 'highlighted' any cases Confused

However it's quite obvious to me that the whole system is probably one of the best examples of political correctness dominating over common sense

The problem for me is that under the present system human rights seem to apply to an increasing number of foreign criminals and terrorists but not to decent law abiding British people many of whom have very valid claims under the 'so called' human rights legislation

The whole thing is yet another plan by the rich powers that be to get rid of influence in our country of ordinary traditional British people in favour of this so called global environment which I absolutely hate Evil or Very Mad

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oldraver · Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Posts: 1175 Location: London

The big flaw, as far as I can see, is that the scales are weighed very much in favour of the perpetrators, and scant regard for the victims, in so many cases.

This, I would suggest, is the main reason why people are influenced. It may be highlighted by the DM and suchlike, but people make up their own minds.
They see cases like the beast that is Bellfield, and wonder if there's any sanity left in the world. It's by no means, a solitary example, is it? And he'll have a nice life in prison, with all home comforts, while the families of his victims, serve the real life sentence. Where's the justice in that?

They're given the impression - not unrealistically, that their dead daughter's lives were worth nothing, in the scheme of things. Our priorities are badly skewed, as far as I can see. And I doubt that they need a tabloid newspaper to tell them that.
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