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Toggy · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239

Brexit or no Brexit?

Schizoidman · Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Posts: 1140 Location: Rural West Sussex

Hooray!

becky sharp · Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 6815

FleetingEileenM · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 5767 Location: Hampshire

Toggy, is this poll closed? I am trying to add my OUT vote but it doesn't respond.

Toggy · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239

It looks like it might have closed automatically as I didn't close it myself Perhaps there was a time limit Confused

Schizoidman · Joined: 20 Sep 2010 Posts: 1140 Location: Rural West Sussex

Well, with Eileen's vote, that is 4 for Remain and 8 for Leave, 33% and 66%.

Hooray, job done! No need for a referendum now. Sooner we leave the better.

Toggy · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239

That's that settled then Laughing

Unfortunately I don't think the actual result will be like this.

Helen May · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19335 Location: Cheshire

I don't think it will either Toggy. I know what I'll vote but I'm not sure it's 100% the right way to go Question

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Ian Robinson · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:24 am Post subject:

Leaving would only make life more expensive - there are very few advantages.

The "Leave" campaign appears to be based almost entirely on racism.

FleetingEileenM · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 5767 Location: Hampshire

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism and everything to do with getting this great country out of the control of unelected EU dictators

The remain campaign is now being run in a state of panic with Cameron and others behaving like headless chickens

Just can't wait for 23rd June and even better 24th June when hopefully we'll see the back of Cameron and perhaps many of his posh cronies Smile

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Helen May · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19335 Location: Cheshire

Could be interesting tonight at 9 when Cameron goes against Farage on ITV.

I'm going to a wedding on 24th Jun so I can guess what a lot of the talk will be!

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Ian Robinson · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:49 pm Post subject:

FleetingEileenM · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 5767 Location: Hampshire

Helen May · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19335 Location: Cheshire

I feel the same Eileen.
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Ian Robinson · Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:31 pm Post subject:

Ok, let's call it xenophobia instead.

Toggy · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239

Explain how wanting to control immigration is xenophobic or racist (or bigoted if you want to throw that into the mix)
It seems sensible to me, nobody is saying don't let anybody in or kick them all out because that would be silly.

I'm voting leave and anybody can think what they wish of me, I'm past caring.

Helen May · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19335 Location: Cheshire

I am too Toggy, I actually don't think we have much to lose. We've given it a chance and IMHO it's not working for us so time for a change, as well as the immigration problem.

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becky sharp · Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 6815

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

How can it be 'racist' to want an Australian style points system operating in Britain

The whole point of such a system is that we can recruit from abroad the skills which are in short supply at any given time irrespective of race and the priorities can be changed if circumstances change

Also why should white immigrants from Eastern Europe have priority over possibly better qualified people from Africa India or Latin America when it comes to living in Britain

Indeed one could make out a case that it is the remainers who have racist tendencies if they want to prioritise white European immigration over that from the rest of the world Smile

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becky sharp · Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 6815

Toggy · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239

No, I don't think it helps either side to stick racist labels on people.
Everyone is entitled to their views without resorting to this. Smile

FleetingEileenM · Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Posts: 5767 Location: Hampshire

Some of the most delightful carers in my mother's nursing home are from the Philippines.

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

My comments were more directed at Ian rather than you Becky Embarassed

After all it was he who was suggesting that members of the Brexit campaign were racist and I was simply suggesting how in actual fact his whole argument could logically be turned on its head for the reasons I set out previously

I'm not especially in favour of dragging the subject of racism into this campaign but when members of the remain camp raise it against we Brexiteers then there has to be some kind of response as such comments should never be allowed to go unchallenged
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becky sharp · Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 6815

unclebuck · Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 276 Location: Warwickshire

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Well I think you should have made that clear,ruddles,and directed your remarks to Ian rather than saying ..."it is the remainers who have racist tendencies".....which,as a remainer, I took personally.[/quote]

Sorry, but Ruddles clearly did ABSOLUTELY NOT say 'it is the remainers who have racist tendencies' as you assert.

He said 'one could make out a case that it is the remainers who have racist tendencies if they want to prioritise white European immigration over that from the rest of the world'

It is a simple fact that some people ARE making this case, exactly as he states.

This is already sufficiently difficult and divisive an issue without people being quite so desperate to take offence at the other side's views, whilst ignoring the behaviour of their own. Ian's poorly judged, offensive and inflammatory statement that The "Leave" campaign appears to be based almost entirely on racism. drew not so much as a murmur from you.

For my own part, I was saddened when we discovered that almost half of Scots did not want to be part of Britain. Now I am saddened to find that half of British people would consider voting their country into non-existence. I am ashamed that so many people have given their lives to protect our democratic freedoms, only for this generation to so casually give them away like unwanted pocket-change.
I'm sorry - I know this is an emotive subject, but there was a time when people who actively tried to bring about the deconstruction of their native country (however slowly) were simply known as 'traitors', and i am left with a very disillusioned view towards many of my fellow citizens.

becky sharp · Joined: 01 Dec 2008 Posts: 6815

ruddlescat · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 18010 Location: Near Chester

I think perhaps you need to develop a slightly thicker skin Becky when it comes to matters of this kind

I'm not offended by comments of the kind Ian made on this thread - I just think they are plain inaccurate stupid and unnecessary and need to be challenged - and of course I'm reminded of that well known phrase - If You Can't Stand the Heat Stay out of the Kitchen Smile

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