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SantaFefan



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Drummers only need read... Reply with quote

Having recently enjoyed watching those Who boys at Glastonbury, I thought I'd dig out a video of the Who at the 1970 Isle of Wight festival.

After all my years of talking about bands and drummers etc, I was amazed to notice that Keith Moon didn't use a High Hat! didn't even have one set out. Was this normal for him in those days?

I also had to smile when Keith busted one of his double bass drum skins and Townshend had to improvise whilst a technician had to replace it! Laughing no pressure there then!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi santa

it was usual for keith to play with the hi-hat locked open 'cos he liked the sound as a cymbal so didn't use it as you normally would use a hi-hat, so i wouldn't be surprised to hear that sometimes he didn't even set one up.
his kit was also heavily bolted and screwed down due to his intense playing style and you could stand on any part of it.

he was also responsible for petes partial deafness when he put just a tad too much explosive in his bass drum during a show.

hope that helps

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right about the kit being fixed down Seymour, watching the rest of the concert, I'd forgot how Moony would bend himself over backwards touching the floor with his head! he must have locked his feet under the bass drums somehow to do this. Very Happy

That's strange about the lack of hi-hat though, never noticed.
I don't think I'd like to have lost my hi-hat, doesn't seem right! Laughing

Interesting to watch that IOW concert compared to today's events. The most striking thing to me was the very poor stage lighting!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldnt have the nerve to lean backwards from my kit these days. would have to wait for tanya to come home to help me get up again(shut it PJ!) Laughing

Keiths set up changed when he started putting two kits together, specifically, he abandoned his hi-hat cymbals almost entirely and started basing his grooves more on a double bass ostinato* consisting of eighth note flams**, and a wall of white noise created by riding a crash or ride cymbal. On top of this he would play fills and cymbal accents.

(for the non-drummers amongst you)

* ostinato = a constantly recurring melodic fragment.

** flams = A drumbeat consisting of two almost simultaneous strokes of which the first is a very rapid grace note.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That "wall of ride" effect is very much back in fashion with today's bands. A number of them seem to have latched on to the idea of miking some or all of the cymbals from underneath, which gives more of a "wash" effect than the sharper sound you get from above.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seymour, Listening to Rick Wakeman on Planet Rock this evening, I was pleased to hear him mention that he'd recently seen The Who and also commented on Zak Starkey; saying he thought he was the best drummer he'd ever seen! Shocked

I don't know if I'd go that far but he certainly caught my attention.

I don't really know enough about today's bands but I always liked Ginger Baker. I loved his interview at the Royal Albert Hall at Cream's Farewell Concert. Laughing Laughing He mentioned and demonstrated Triple Flams..

I'd like to think I had a similar style to him, but in later years, I completely fell for Stuart Copeland's drumming although it took a little dent when I noticed he used fast echo a lot!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was also impressed by stuart at first until i saw a documentary on them in the eighties and he showed us his use of the echo particularly on the hi-hat and it ruined the illusion for me. i dont think any less of him for it but, as a "trainee" drummer back then, trying to copy his stuff, it left a very blistered and bruised little seymour. (not even gonna mention trying to copy neil peart!) Embarassed

i guess my style resembles roger taylors playing the most. i just wish it was pearts Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that doc on the Police, filmed in the Carribean someplace I think? ( I also remember forming my first dislikes for Andy Summers after watching it.) I'm pretty sure the previous documentry on the band, shown about 1982, was called "Police in the East" because I went out and bought my first VCR to record it! ( Ferguson Videostar 3V23)

I was trying to think of the early Police track which I loved to play at maximum volume because of Stuart's powerhouse drumming, in fact I had to turn out my old LP collection to find it this afternoon!

Turns out to be "No Time This Time"; last track on side two of "Reggatta de Blanc". Very Happy maybe you remember it?

I love the last few bars where Stuart does a series of off beat riffs and maybe a double bass drum roll? dunno but it still sounds great!

I set aside all my Police Albums to hear them again, plus a couple of Tull albums too. I also liked Clive Bunker's drumming ! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do remember it but its my brother who was the bigger fan so he has the albums so i cant listen to the last bit atm. i remember the bassline and the constant bass drum though and the cymbal crashing when it came to "If I could, Id slow the whole world down. Oh memories Laughing . i must get my own copies Cool

i always liked "does everyone stare" with the bleed over of the bloke singing, which according to "legend" was an actual unintentional bleed over during recording which they kept in. whether or not thats true i dont know. Confused

ps was the ferguson the top loading piano keyed brute that weighed a ton? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the 3V23 Videostar was the first of the JVC "electronic" VCR's, quite a machine in it's time. I'm 99% sure it cost me a whacking 700 back in 82!!

It was a super machine, much smaller than the "piano keys" ones out at the time. It also had a full function infra red remote. Remember most of the older machines had a corded remote? Laughing
The thing I really liked was the long row of red LED indicators across the middle section! ( I like lights Rolling Eyes )

I'll give that track a listen tomorrow, I was a big fan of the Police and Message in a Bottle / Roxanne were two songs I used to love playing drums to in our band!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my brother had a portable tv with a sonic remote control( how archaic is that? Embarassed Laughing Laughing Laughing ). everytime he changed channels ( all 3 of 'em Very Happy ) the poor cats ears would stick up and she'd be off like a rocket.

she was never quite the same again Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I remember the sonic remotes. I've been racking my brains trying to remember the makers name of one of the first TV's we had with it, I'm sure it was something like Finlandia maybe.
I recall the remote on this set had three large buttons which, as you said, gave out a really high pitched note!

Of course when I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, I was the remote. A quick kick on the head followed by "Turn it over boy" was all that was needed... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
Yes, I remember the sonic remotes. I've been racking my brains trying to remember the makers name of one of the first TV's we had with it, I'm sure it was something like Finlandia maybe.
I recall the remote on this set had three large buttons which, as you said, gave out a really high pitched note!

Of course when I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, I was the remote. A quick kick on the head followed by "Turn it over boy" was all that was needed... Laughing


well i'm about a decade behind you but it was my job too Laughing . thats why there's so much child obesity now. its not play stations and pc's, it's all the fault of remote controls. Laughing Laughing
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