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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

John reid has warned that there could be a terrorist attack over the christmas period. He told GMTV that the terrorist theat to the UK was " very high indeed"

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Oh no we are all going to diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee Rolling Eyes

He needs a hobby I think.

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

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What are we supposed to do about it anyway? run and hide? Rolling Eyes

This is just the latest in a never ending stream of things that will kill us.

CJD
Bird flu
terrorisim
Various food stuffs
Hoodies
Radiation
Christmas decorations
Traffic fumes
Global warming

Why do I get out of bed? Laughing

Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

What I want to know is why has the gpovernment not used its new law against glorification of terrorism to prosecute two persistent offenders- Lib Dem peer Jennifer Tongue who has spoken of how "brave" Palestibnian terrorists who set out to kill Jewish civillians are. Famously, she said"If I were a Palestinian, I would be proud to be a suicide bomber"
That is the woman whose pathological hatred of Jews is not disimilar to that of Adolf Hitler- r George Galloway- both phycopaths with absurd moustaches & even more rediculous voices.
Galloway today praised the nutters who blew up 70 Iraqui jobseekers, as "Glorious mmartyrs- may Allah bless them!"
So the Scottish atheist is a Muslim now?
Anyway, he should be keeping Ms Tongue company in a prison cel

admin · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 487

I don't want to get into a heated political debate, but westerners don't seem to actually look into the Arab - Israeli conflict. Of course, suicide bombers are never what we would call justified, but then we still have our homes, our jobs and our self dignity. When someone robs you of that, what else do we have left?

George Galloway... he's a completely different kettle of fish. He says what he says, not because he believed it, but because he thinks it will keep him in his job. I was totally sickened one night when he went on and on about how in his constituency he would 'play a game with myself. Every time I pass someone who was pulled over by the police, I would guess the chances that they are black or Muslim. You know what, most of the time they are.' Anyone spot the deliberate stupidity?

Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

Firstly, it is easy to see that everything that comes out of George Galloways mouth is stupid.
On the question of the Arab-Israeli conflict, a look at history.
Jews have lived in the region for thousands of years.
Jews were kiucked out of their homes in Palestine, Spain, all of Eastern Europe, Germany, all the arab countries & going way back, were expelled from England.
Jews did not become suicide bombers as a result.
What is today Israel is part of the historic Israel & Judea.
In recent centuries, Arabs migrated there from Arabia.
The area was deserted till Jews began returning there in large numbers in the 19th century.
Once ewish communities established farming communities & industry there, Arabs began migrating to Palestine, then part of the British Empire.
Prior to the establishment of thge State of Israel, the area had been under colonial rle continuously- the Romans, the Turks,the greeks, the
British . The last independent states there had been Judea & Israel.
No Arabs were expelled from Israel. The Arab population of Israel today has grown to over a million. They are the only Arabs to enjoy full democratic and human rights anywhere in the region.
Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians. They responded by turning it into a bloodbath. Israel had planned to withdraw from the West Bank- Samaria- too, but the antics of Hamas & Hezbollah in Gaza & Lebanon have made this impossible
If you thought Israel was the problem in Gaza- look at what is happening now. With Israel out of the picture, & no Israelis to kill, the Palestinians are killing each other
Sadly, they, like any serial killers, are just addicted to killing.
I talk not of ordinaryt Palestinian people who are sick of the whole thing, but the psychopathic militias- Hamas & Fatah

Behind Geddon's Wall · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:44 am Post subject:

Clive,

Well Put.

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Cherskiy · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject:

I heard something on the TV recently to the effect that "Islam is an immature religion - it was invented 600 years after Christianity so today they're at the same stage as we [sic] were during the Crusades."

There's an element of truth to that statement.

My late father served with the British Army in Palestine leading up to the declaration of independence of Israel in 1947. As a teenager, I was told stories: first-hand reports of what the Hagen'ah, the Stern Gang and the Arabs got up to back then.

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admin · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 487

Clive,

As I said, I didn't want to get into a huge debate, because as with the Israeli - Palestinian conflict... no-one would win.

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admin · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 487

Exactly John,

But for me it has always looked like Israel has been striving for more and more land, and using the guise of military power against terrorism to get it.

Israel is expanding, and has taken land since the UN agreement that first put Israel in place. The land Israel took since has been in direct breach of the treaty, so it is no wonder there has been hassle out there.

One issue is also the media blackout. Israel are not quick to admit when they have done wrong. ie the bombing of the Ambulances, the bombing of the UN, the bombing of blocks of flats, so when us westerners hear of atrocities that Israel are accused of coming from the mouths of Arabs, we find it all very hard to believe. But Israel are proven to deny their wrong doings, which is very worrying.

Makes me wonder if the only reason we know the truth now is that the worlds media and the UN are actually in the affected areas more, so we can get unbiased reports, instead of pure denials.

Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

There has been continuous Jewish settlement in the region since before the times of the Romans.
I pointed out that jews had been expelled from many countries- but did NOT respond by blowing up other civillians of those countries.
Arabs in Israel flourish in every sector of Employment.
if you go to Israel, you will find that Arabs often live in large, beautiful houses. Jews mostly live in flats.
The arabs in Israel enjoy every right that the Jews in Arab countries are denied.
Go visit Israel- you can travel freely anywhere- and so can every Israeli Arab. There is also freedom of speech in Israel, unique in the middle east

Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

Admin, where has Israel been expanding?
They withdrew from Gaza. They withdrew from southern Lebanon. Both withdrawells prompted attacks from Arabs.
It is not Israels fault that generations of Arabs have been fed on Nazi-era anti-semitic hatred & would pregfer to die to kill Jews, than to live & let Jews live. That is the sad fact.
it does not apply to all Arabs, but to the Palestinian leadership, & to syria & the fanatical Muslims in southern Lebanon.
I have met many Israeli Arabs who have said "Thank God we live in Israel. My relatives in Syria can-not open their mouths for fear of being thrown in jail or killed"

Behind Geddon's Wall · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject:

Clive,
Israel still hold setttlements between Jerusalem and the West Bank, taken in the '67 war, I also believe, but I could be wrong, that they still hold the Golan Heights.

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And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil

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Clive55 · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336

OK, we'll let it rest over Christmas.
Just to point out that I lived in israel as a kid. Arabs lived in the same town we did, & were free to come & go as they chose.
My father worked alongside Arabs doing the same job as him.
Arabs in Israel travel in the same busses and trains as their fellow jewish citizens.
Of course the situation of Arabs in Israel or Palestinians in the territories is not comparable to the experiences of Jews in Europe in the past, or in arab countries today.
Jews in Europe were systematicly repressed, persecuted & slaughtered as they are today in Arab countries. This has not been the experience of Arabs under Israeli rule.
Thus Jews had far more excuse to resort to violence. Yet they did not.
Yet arab extremists use Israeli refusal to give Israeli Terriutory to terrorists as an excuse to murder.
And when Israel tries to hand over territory to the Arabs- Gaza & Southern Lebanon- the response is rockets fired onto Israeli farms, towns & villages.
As regards Syria & the Golan Heights, consider this. The Syrian Baathist regime is modelled on the German Nazi party. Syria has the same racial laws that Germany had under Hitler. Syrias main ally, Iran, has threatened a new Holocaust against the Jews.
Considering all that, would Israel be wise to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria? The Golan Heights overlook Israel to the coast. Whoever controls the Golan Heights could control Israel.
Syria has started three wars to try to wipe out Israel. Israel can-not risk anihelation