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mark occomore
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 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: Supermarkets e-mail probe |
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Two of the UK's supermarket giants have been ordered to hand over millions of e-mails and letters as part of a Competition Commission investigation.
The Sunday Telegraph says it is looking into claims Tesco and Asda have been pressurising suppliers to cut prices.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6953474.stm
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All supermarkets do this to see how they can price cut one another. It's an open competition. The problem comes when smaller supermarkets like the CO-OP are trying to keep up with them. |
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Supermarkets e-mail probe |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | The Sunday Telegraph says it is looking into claims Tesco and Asda have been pressurising suppliers to cut prices. |
What planet are people on? Doesn't it occur to people that your BOGOFs and BOGSHP offers are funded by the suppliers and not the retailer? If a supplier's products are the sole feature of a Sainsbury's or Tesco TV ad, that means that the supplier has paid for the ad not the retail giant.
This has been going on for as long as the retail chains have existed, so for the Comp Comm to suddenly decide that they need to look into this is a bit daft... and a bit late.
After all, what have milk farmers been saying for a good three decades now?
The reason there's so much price cutting competition is that consumers want as much as they can get at the lowest possible price - and in the main they don't give a stuff about the extent to which the supplier is being screwed. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Supermarkets e-mail probe |
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| firewirefred wrote: |
The reason there's so much price cutting competition is that consumers want as much as they can get at the lowest possible price - and in the main they don't give a stuff about the extent to which the supplier is being screwed. |
Yes but the question is whether, eventually, we will be left with less choice & higher prices, if supermarkets are sucessful in putting smaller competitors out of business. Where will suppliers turn to if Tesco & Asda control 60% of the grocery market?
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firewirefred
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Supermarkets e-mail probe |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | Where will suppliers turn to if Tesco & Asda control 60% of the grocery market? |
They already do - ask any milk farmer.
Ultimately, it's consumers who weild the axe. Either buy groceries (for example) from local sources as we do or hand over power to the multiples. We have a local farmer's market where the producers get sustainable prices for their produce yet still manage to sell at prices which are lower than the multiples.
We have the ultimate choice of saving local producers and staving off the giants or allowing the tescos and Asdas of this world to take over completely. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Our local garden centre now has a farm shop for localyy grown produce.
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| Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | | Our local garden centre now has a farm shop for localyy grown produce. |
We bought a load of veg from our nearest farm shop only yesterday. What would have cost approx £20 in our nearest Tesco cost £7.00 in the farm shop - and their business is thriving as word gets around. Good for them - and stuff Tesco! |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| We have a few Asian grocery shops just recently opened who sell fresh Veg. It's those people who end up opening shops like that now and not us who were born in the UK. The government is to blame for this hiking up prices which put people out of business years ago. |
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SantaFefan
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 Why is it the Government's fault? people as I remember them went out of business because of the Supermarket's spread....
and I don't mean Dairylea...
It's a typical case of everything's for the better.. but is it really?
When I were young.... our local streets had a good general store ( where people actually spoke to their neighbours! ), a dairy ( which also bottled it's own milk), 3 green grocers, 3 pubs, wet fish shop, 3 toyshops, 2 tobacconists, hardware store, large news agent, post office, second hand goods, 3 butchers, 5 sweet shops, 2 bakers, 3 fish & chip shops and 2 old cobblers....
all that within 200 yards of our house. It was nice.
Kit Kats were thicker too.
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| mark occomore wrote: | | We have a few Asian grocery shops just recently opened who sell fresh Veg. It's those people who end up opening shops like that now and not us who were born in the UK. |
What on earth does that mean? Do you mean that it's often the people who came originally from the Asian subcontinent who are the only ones who seem to be willing to get off their butts and work anti-social hours and run corner shops? Let's hope that's what you meant!
| mark occomore wrote: | | The government is to blame for this hiking up prices which put people out of business years ago. |
When did Government hike up prices in your corner shop - and which people went out of business exactly? I don't understand! |
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John W
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Brilliant Mark  
There should be a public campaign from us all saying that we are willing to pay 10p more for a 4 litre carton/bottle of milk. Give the money to the farmers!!!! |
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Mark Mayhew
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SantaFefan-In the days when kit-kats were thicker was Steve Wright a decent presenter/DJ by any chance.
It's so long ago I can't remember. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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In the days I was thinking of, when you could break your teeth on a Club biscuit, and Gary Davis was yet to morph into Richard Allinson, Stevie boy would have been playing with his dad's Phillips reel to reel ( with overdub ), dreaming of being a top class presenter and grooming his talents for the glorious days ahead.
I wonder if even he'd have thought that by 2007, he would still be the top DJ on the BBC? *
* apart from Johnnie Walker that is..
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Weren't Wagon Wheels bigger in the old days? 
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Yes, and,.....you could actually use them as wagon wheels in an emergency!
apparently.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ribena tasted a lot better when I was a kid. In them days 'twas probably blackcurrants wi' nowt taken out (and nowt added) |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember going to the corner shop and buying sweets with a half penny. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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8 blackjacks/8 fruit salads for an old penny if I remember correctly.
Those were the days.
They don't make sweets like the above anymore. |
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Ah, but was that an old Penny Mark O? or a new one?
I believe they do actually Mark M they still sell Fruit Salads!
probably about a quid each now though...
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | boy would have been playing with his dad's Phillips reel to reel ( with overdub |
I didn't think that Philips machines did that. I recall that the Akai 4000DS did though - it's where I learn to edit 1/4" tape! |
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I'm not sure to be honest FWF, although I do seem to remember I had an early recorder with overdub... It seriously muffled the underlying track however we had lots of stuff here and there including a couple of Ferrographs (?) kicking around.
In fact I still have an early Phillips recorder from the 60's, I'll have a look tomorrow.
I'm sure I remember drooling over the Akai reel to reel machines in the 70's though! the one I wanted would work in the vertical position... cool 
and the one that would transfer tapes to 8 tracks!!
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Dad had a Philips in the 60s, then I bought a stereo one (N4416) in 1973 (still got it) but neither did overdubbing.
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| John W wrote: | | Ribena tasted a lot better when I was a kid. In them days 'twas probably blackcurrants wi' nowt taken out (and nowt added) |
Might have been something to do with the packaging - proper glass bottles. Tastes distinctly plasticy these days, and goes a horrible brown colour if kept for very long.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Supermarkets e-mail probe |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | firewirefred wrote: |
The reason there's so much price cutting competition is that consumers want as much as they can get at the lowest possible price - and in the main they don't give a stuff about the extent to which the supplier is being screwed. |
Yes but the question is whether, eventually, we will be left with less choice & higher prices, if supermarkets are sucessful in putting smaller competitors out of business. Where will suppliers turn to if Tesco & Asda control 60% of the grocery market? |
The former has certainly been true, and the latter fear has equally certainly been voiced for as long as there have been supermarkets, and incidentally, the Big Four (Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury, Morrison) already control 75% of the market http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNS_Worldpanel
Until now one would have thought that there was still room for the smaller competitor and one-man-operation, working the local, convenience type store. However Tesco and Sainsburys are aggressively buying into this market, encouraged by generous planning laws (which somehow locally allowed Tesco to buy and demolish half a little shopping precinct and build one of their Express stores, right next door to an existing independent Londis).
The squeezing of suppliers is nothing new, nor is it confined to the grocery market. When DIY and garden centres open new stores they expect suppliers to stock them free of charge so that they, and not he stores themselves, finance those enticing opening offers. The large department and clothing chains have in recent years unilaterally altered suppliers' agreements and lengthened credit terms of trade; most retail giants sell and rake in the cash several times over before they have to pay suppliers.
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| SantaFefan wrote: | I'm sure I remember drooling over the Akai reel to reel machines in the 70's though! the one I wanted would work in the vertical position... cool
and the one that would transfer tapes to 8 tracks!! |
That's the 4000DS! Loads of tape hiss after only three overdub layers but what the heck - it put some of us on the road to fame and fortune! (or not ). |
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