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iwarburton
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: Palace of Westminster Nursery School |
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Watching Prime Minister's Question Time on the News, I was struck by the catcalling, use of childish invective etc that passes for debate in the Commons.
If anyone behaved like that at almost any other professional meeting, they'd be slung out.
Yet our legislators do it and it seems to be accepted as normal behaviour.
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Brown and Cameron said 'they wouldn't behave like this. " Don't Believe any of them"
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I do often wonder what kind of image this presents to the rest of the world.. _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Palace of Westminster Nursery School |
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iwarburton wrote: | Watching Prime Minister's Question Time on the News, I was struck by the catcalling, use of childish invective etc that passes for debate in the Commons.
If anyone behaved like that at almost any other professional meeting, they'd be slung out.
Yet our legislators do it and it seems to be accepted as normal behaviour.
Ian. |
Yes but politics is adversarial. It always has been. The alternative is fighting in the streets.
Business meetings generally are unproductive time wasting sessions when people dont say what they really think. The last thing we want to encourage is more PC mealy mouthed cliche spouting speech. It is already a disease that is infecting the country. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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PMQ's are pure theatre. A time to score points and try to make your opponent look stupid. Granted webcameron needs no help at all, but it is the longest running knockabout comedy in the world. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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RockitRon
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Palace of Westminster Nursery School |
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gfloyd wrote: | Yes but politics is adversarial. It always has been. The alternative is fighting in the streets. |
...or , indeed, in Parliament itself, as has been known to happen in not a few countries abroad.
I think we may have to get used to this, because David Cameron likes playing to the gallery (it's one of the few things he does well) and Gordon Brown, lacking his predecessor's readiness with the charm and soundbite, is going to be an easy target.
It is an unedifying spectacle, but I suppose it's a bit of light relief amongst the drudgery of normal business inside the House and bad news outside it. _________________ Ron |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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It is always good to remember that the distance between the 2 front benches, and the red line in front of them, is just longer than the length of a good sword and arm. _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Palace of Westminster Nursery School |
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RockitRon wrote: | gfloyd wrote: | Yes but politics is adversarial. It always has been. The alternative is fighting in the streets. |
...or , indeed, in Parliament itself, as has been known to happen in not a few countries abroad.
I think we may have to get used to this, because David Cameron likes playing to the gallery (it's one of the few things he does well) and Gordon Brown, lacking his predecessor's readiness with the charm and soundbite, is going to be an easy target.
It is an unedifying spectacle, but I suppose it's a bit of light relief amongst the drudgery of normal business inside the House and bad news outside it. |
Are people really such shrinking violets that they cant cope with some argy bargy in parliament?
Cameron & Campbell have every right to be annoyed with Brown for doing a smash & grab raid on their policies. He nicked the airplane tax idea (as opposed to taxing passengers), the inheritance tax reform, the non-dom tax and will probably steal their stamp duty ideas as well. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | It is always good to remember that the distance between the 2 front benches, and the red line in front of them, is just longer than the length of a good sword and arm. |
I remember when Michael Heseltine swung the mace at the Labour front bench in the late 1970's. Six speakers have been beheaded by parliament as well in prior centuries. So things are quite tame these days. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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iwarburton
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: |
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The point that I was trying to make is that name-calling and same to you with knobs on are scarcely a good substitute for reasoned debate.
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gfloyd
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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iwarburton wrote: | The point that I was trying to make is that name-calling and same to you with knobs on are scarcely a good substitute for reasoned debate.
Ian. |
I like a good insult Geoffrey Howe speaking style being compared to being savaged by a dead sheep and so on......... _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Behind Geddon's Wall
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 1553 Location: Kingston Upon Hull/ The Cloud Factory
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ernie wrote:
"Cameron & Campbell have every right to be annoyed with Brown for doing a smash & grab raid on their policies. He nicked the airplane tax idea (as opposed to taxing passengers), the inheritance tax reform, the non-dom tax and will probably steal their stamp duty ideas as well."
If you put ideas out on display - you can expect them to be (Allegedly) stolen. Is this not an example of Gordie wanting the best Ideas no matter where they came from? _________________ Geddon
You simply mustn't blame yourself -- the days were perfect
And so were exactly what I was born to spoil
For I am the Rider to the World's End
Bound across the cinder causeway
From the furnace to the quarry
Through the fields of oil |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: |
If you put ideas out on display - you can expect them to be (Allegedly) stolen. Is this not an example of Gordie wanting the best Ideas no matter where they came from? |
That's one way to look at it. I suppose after 10 years he is tired of coming up with his own ideas. That's a catchy election slogan "Gordon's tired. Give him a rest" _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Behind Geddon's Wall wrote: | PMQ's are pure theatre. |
Brown said he wouldn't be doing that when he took over as PM. Typical Hypocrite...
I like it when MP Dennis Skinner keeps standing up but never gets called to ask a question. |
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