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Are they serious? Could this be the end of radio?

 
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John W



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Are they serious? Could this be the end of radio? Reply with quote

I thought it was April 1st Rolling Eyes


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7029892.stm
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nod



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought its always been illegal to play radio in public places eg shops, pubs etc without a licence from the PRS or similar.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nod wrote:
I thought its always been illegal to play radio in public places eg shops, pubs etc without a licence from the PRS or similar.


Yes and they are getting very particular about it, even down to going after small corner shops, coffee shops, etc. Kwik Fit being a national chain are comparatively big fish and an easy win.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my life I have been to shops, garages, cafes, marketplaces, you name it, that have has radios blaring out. I think the ruling is unfair and absolutely ludicrous. Whatever next? Should I not listen to the radio in my car with the windows down in case members of the public hear it and I am sued?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like another good day for lawyers but nobody else.

Ian.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iwarburton wrote:
Sounds like another good day for lawyers but nobody else.

Ian.


I think you will find the lawyers are acting on behalf of the Performing Rights Society, who in turn are being urged to action by composers & m usicians.

The rates are:

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/PPS%20Price%20Guides/Shops%20and%20Stores%20Price%20Guide.pdf

Any anger would be bertter focussed on the Performing Rights Society not the lawyers.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J_ROC72 wrote:
All my life I have been to shops, garages, cafes, marketplaces, you name it, that have has radios blaring out. I think the ruling is unfair and absolutely ludicrous. Whatever next? Should I not listen to the radio in my car with the windows down in case members of the public hear it and I am sued?


technically it's illegal. Look at the small print on your CDs eg "Any unauthorised rental, broadcasting, public performance, copying or recording in any manner whatsoever will constitute infringment of such copyright and will render the infringer liable to an action at law"

I am sure they have similar rules for music on the radio.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For many years PRS inspectors have been visiting shops etc to check on the music they're playing and what their licensing arrangements are, so the fact that this is happening isn't really news - although the court case that surrounds Kwik-Fit is. Technically, if music is being subject to "public performance" or "broadcast" without a licence issued on behalf of the copyright owners then whoever's using it is breaking the law. Seems fair enough to me - there's no such thing as a free lunch these and if the owners of the music want it that way that's the way it is. I'd say it's fair - especially if it were me who was losing out on a slice of the royalty payments.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the PRS win could have huge implications.

How about prosecuting bus and train companies for the passengers whose ipod/personal players can be heard by others (usually to their annoyance)?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just hope common sense prevails here and discretion is allowed. If the sound is piped through a speaker system then it's obviously meant to be heard by the public at large, if it's one man/woman's radio on in the back of a shop / office, then it isn't and if that person is often there on their own, save for when a customer comes in (in the case of a shop) then that radio is often the only company they have and keeps them going and why shouldn't that person be allowed such entertainment.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

entertainment at work, what next ? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you need an entertainment licence to listen to BBC or Commercial Radio at work?

Nanny state here we go again.......!!!!!!! Soon wont be able to breath or talk at work Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

take a look here and select your type of work..eg office / shop

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/Pages/default.aspx
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Do you need an entertainment licence to listen to BBC or Commercial Radio at work?

Nanny state here we go again.......!!!!!!! Soon wont be able to breath or talk at work Shocked Laughing


It has nothing whatever to do with "nanny state" - this has been the situation for decades - and everything to do with protecting the rights of others (in this case owners of musical copyright). The PRS exists to manage rights and collect royalties due on behalf of its members.

I suppose if you wrote a book you'd be happy for people to make photocopies of its pages and give them away to people walking along a high street without your permission and offer no payment to you by way of compensation?

Think about it. It's exactly the same principle.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Money, money, money! Reply with quote

I've just given permission for twenty of my poems to be included in a book for a charity and do not and will not accept any royalties from the project. That is my choice though, and if others wish to be paid that's up to them.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think you'll find that the source of this is just the jobsworths at PRS, and i would strongly doubt that they are being "urged on" by writers and musicians. They are already receiving money from the radio station who broadcast their music. Any additional revenue from an individual shop would be negligable. Further, the writers and artists are more likely to make money from people hearing their music and then going to buy it, download it or more likely going to see the artist, than they are from an £85 license which covers 365 days of solid radio playing in case a customer hears a song.

think about it. Lets say I have my radio tuned to Radio 2 and listen to 100 tracks in a day. Multiply that by 5 and then by 52. That's 26000 tracks. Thats a third of a penny per play. Of that money something like 2% actually goes to the artist or songwriter.

What a load of rowlocks. I hope that PRS are humiliated at court.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idcowden wrote:


think about it. Lets say I have my radio tuned to Radio 2 and listen to 100 tracks in a day. Multiply that by 5 and then by 52. That's 26000 tracks. Thats a third of a penny per play. Of that money something like 2% actually goes to the artist or songwriter.

Iain


Yes but how many corner shops are there in Britain?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

idcowden wrote:
What a load of rowlocks. I hope that PRS are humiliated at court.


I would say that PRS has to be seen to be acting in the best interests of its members - those who pay a price to be represented - and this is therefore a very public way of doing that. Good luck to them - rules are rules.
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