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Met Police Found Guilty Of Shooting

 
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mark occomore



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Met Police Found Guilty Of Shooting Reply with quote

The Metropolitan Police has been found guilty of a "catastrophic" series of errors that led to the shooting dead of an innocent man in a London Tube station.

The Met had faced one charge under Health & Safety legislation relating to the death of Brazilian electrician Jean Charles De Menezes.

In an unusual move, the jury at the Old Bailey told the judge there should no personal culpability placed on the officer in charge, Cressida Dick.

The Metropolitan Police was fined £175,000 and ordered to pay £385,000 costs by trial judge Mr Justice Henriques. The Met indicated it would appeal.

The judge said: "This was very much an isolated breach brought about by quite extraordinary circumstances.

"One person died and many others were placed in potential danger."

Mr De Menezes was shot seven times by specialist firearms officers at Stockwell Tube station after being mistaken for failed suicide bomber Hussain Osman.

Prosecutors at the Old Bailey set out 19 alleged failings in the police operation in the hours leading up to the shooting on July 22, 2005.

The jury convicted the force on the second day of its deliberations.

Asad Rehman, the de Menezes family campaign spokesman, said Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair should stand down.

"We must again ask if Sir Ian Blair has the confidence of his service and the public as a result of the serious failings which a jury today found him guilty?

"Whilst it was a difficult day (when Jean Charles was shot), that does not mean that procedure and the Metropolitan Police did not fail.

"Clearly the jury thought they did as after five hours they found them unanimously guilty of corporate failings."

Sir Ian Blair, who was in court to hear the verdict, said he intended to "continue leading the Metropolitan police".

The commissioner still has the confidence of Prime Minister Gordon Brown, a Downing Street spokesman said.

The Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) said it "fully supported" Sir Ian and questioned whether the prosecution should have been brought.

Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman Nick Hardwick said he hoped to publish the full report into the affair within days.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the face of it this looks like a whitewash and one can well understand the family not being satisfied.

But the policing/terror situation in London must have been stir crazy at the time and maybe the degree of culpability is less because of that.

Ian.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Met Police Found Quilty Of Shooting Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Met Police Found Quilty Of Shooting


Ah good! A nice warm Quilty is just what we need on these cold winter evenings.......

mark occomore wrote:
Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman Nick Hardwick said he hoped to publish the full report into the affair within days.


I assume you'll be posting every word right here, Mark?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't that be Qwerty? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember about 10 years ago a man fell down a manhole at a Ford plant. They were fined about £300k. They didn't mean for him to die but were fined because their H&S system was poor.

So now, 10 years later and the 1999 Management of H&S at Work Regulations are in place, a police force kill an innocent person, they deliberately shoot someone 7 times in the head, and they are fined less.....

Rolling Eyes
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mark occomore



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Met Police Found Quilty Of Shooting Reply with quote

firewirefred wrote:



mark occomore wrote:
Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman Nick Hardwick said he hoped to publish the full report into the affair within days.


I assume you'll be posting every word right here, Mark?



Word by word so we get it right......

Now should Sir Ian Blair go?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Met Police Found Quilty Of Shooting Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Word by word so we get it right......


No. Please. Those that want to read it all will obtain a copy and read it all, and those who want a totally accurate and unbiased precis will read same in The Daily Mail.

mark occomore wrote:
Now should Sir Ian Blair go?


Go where? Why? Am I qualified to make that judgement based on the facts about which I'm aware? No.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Met Police Found Quilty Of Shooting Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Independent Police Complaints Commission chairman Nick Hardwick said he hoped to publish the full report into the affair within days.


I assume you'll be posting every word right here, Mark?[/quote]

anything other than a brief extract( a line here and a line there), properly credited to its author, is actually a breach of copyright law. much easier to link to the article and avoid possible legal action mark Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, there's the opposite scenario. He could have been a bomber. He could have had an explosive device in his rucksack. It could have gone off on the tube train. And the Police might have exercised caution in apprehending him.......

... and then they'd be asking "What are we paying our Police for if they didn't prevent this atrocity?".

In other words, you're damned if you do.. and you're damned if you don't. I feel sorry for those guys who were obviously all on tenterhooks at that particular time, and I'm glad it's their jobs not mine.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been mentioned that Iain Blair is too close to labour. This is why he's still got his job?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7099478.stm
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