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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: Heathrow Incident |
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from Sky News:
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The Prime Minister's flight to China has been delayed because of an incident at Heathrow Airport. Passengers had to leave a jet via emergency chutes.
Sky producer Jonathan Levy said the emergency arose after a jet landed short of the runway at the airport. "Nothing is moving at all," he said.
The Fire Brigade has confirmed it is attending an "incident" at Heathrow Airport.
Security at Heathrow was already higher than normal, Levy said, both because of Gordon Brown's flight and because the Qatari royal family were due to pass through the airport.
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Hopefully not a serious incident? _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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RockitRon
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 7646
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds as though BA flight from Beijing had a problem on approach, tried unsuccessfully to abort landing and came down heavily short of main part of runway. Passengers successfully evacuated. Pictures show plane on its belly, slewed across runway, bits of landing gear/undercarriage ripped off.
Major incident, much disruption but thankfully no fatalities. _________________ Ron |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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a few feet away from being another Kegworth. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Early talk of a major power loss, possibly even having to glide the plane in...
watching the pictures and seeing other 777's taking off, shouldn't they consider grounding the rest of them until they find the cause? _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Report from an EGLL tug driver that spoke to the Captain involved mention that the kite suffered a complete loss in power (and therefore avionics) minutes from touchdown. Effectively, the Captain and FO were gliding the Triple Seven down for the final mile or so, they managed to get the nose up (it would have been doing around 180-200 knots at this stage), crossed the main road (A30?) at minimum altitude and put the 777 down between the approach lights and the run-up area for Runway 27L.
You can see on the aerial shots where the jet struck the ground first - less than 50 metres from the main road outside the airport (I'll bet drivers were absolutely cacking themselves when it glided overhead). One of the engine cowlings deformed and departed the airframe, followed by the main undercarriage units as the jet dug into the grass, the aircraft then sliding over the green stuff before coming to rest on the run-up area at the end of 27L.
If the power loss had happened minutes earlier, chances are the news would have now been reporting the emergency services picking bits of 777 out of the city centre.
Amazing thing is, a chap on the flight itself thought it was just "a pretty heavy landing" - "the oxygen masks came down and the lights went out".... must have missed the rapid de-acceleration!
Thankfully this wasn't a major incident with loss of life. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | Early talk of a major power loss, possibly even having to glide the plane in...
watching the pictures and seeing other 777's taking off, shouldn't they consider grounding the rest of them until they find the cause? |
Oh, I would have thought they'll all be grounded for a little while. At least until the power systems are checked. There's a report of a door at the rear of the aircraft (where the APU is located) being open when the aircraft glided into a landing. Might be coincidence, might not. _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder what will happen to this plane now Cherskiy? do you think it'll be repaired or used for parts? _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | I wonder what will happen to this plane now Cherskiy? do you think it'll be repaired or used for parts? |
Welded back together, given a dodgy MOT and sold off "as new" _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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SantaFefan wrote: | I wonder what will happen to this plane now Cherskiy? do you think it'll be repaired or used for parts? |
Too uneconomic for BA to repair the kite, methinks. It'll need new control surfaces, new engines, a new undercarriage and lower fuselage if it's to fly again - and that's assuming it hasn't been stressed beyond its limits in the incident, which I very much doubt. Yes, the fuselage didn't break apart but that doesn't mean the airframe wasn't stressed beyond its safety limits.
BB would be able to answer this question better than I can, but I assume that any reusable bits that weren't stressed or damaged would be removed for future use once the AAIB have concluded their investigation and release the airframe to the insurers. Chances are there won't be many! _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Just goes to show how jinxed Gordon Brown is.
All he has to do is turn up to Heathrow and the planes start to fall out of the sky. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Cherskiy, that was what was going through my mind.
It looks like it came down with quite a bump so with today's exacting standards, I doubt if any part of the fusilage or frames, plus umpteen other structural parts, would be worth being stress tested.
I noticed one of the reporters on Sky news made mention of the fact that hundreds of similar 777s were still flying but that she wouldn't want to be boarding one tomorrow... _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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Barkingbiker
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2313 Location: Lincolnshire
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt if any seemingly serviceable components will ever be used for anything other than in ground training rigs, that was the policy in the RAF, during my time. However, that was almost 20 years ago and things could have changed, especially in the commercial world, but I very much doubt it.
BB _________________ Old Bikers Never Die, our leathers just get tighter! |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Looking at the pictures of it on TV & in the papers, I'd say that after the AAIB have finished with it, it'll probably be turned into tin cans or something. It certainly looks beyond repair. _________________ Lord Evan Elpuss, Your ideal job is a Lumberjack. |
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Cherskiy
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 3701 Location: near Amble, Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Do the fire crews still have a Trident to play with at EGLL or is it one of those metal mock-ups now? I'm sure they'll like to have a 'real' airframe to practice on again.... after the 'practice' they got yesterday, that is.... _________________ Author: “To the Ends of the Earth: A Snapshot of Aviation in North-Eastern Siberia, Summer 1992”
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iwarburton
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I do hope the Captain receives an award for averting what could evidently have been a major disaster.
Ian. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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iwarburton wrote: | I do hope the Captain receives an award for averting what could evidently have been a major disaster.
Ian. |
Apparently it was the 1st Officer John Coward who was flying at the time. But it would be the entire team that deserve praise. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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Briant
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 964 Location: Liverpool England UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Well done to all concerned! Expect some punning headlines in the red tops tomorrow though! |
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Lord Evan Elpuss
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Cherskiy wrote: | Do the fire crews still have a Trident to play with at EGLL or is it one of those metal mock-ups now? I'm sure they'll like to have a 'real' airframe to practice on again.... after the 'practice' they got yesterday, that is.... |
It's a green mock-up thingy with a DC-10 type tail at LHR. They also have one of these at Manchester now. Their Trident has probably been reduced to ashes! _________________ Lord Evan Elpuss, Your ideal job is a Lumberjack. |
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