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mark occomore
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Is Gordon Brown Finished? |
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Gordon Brown was catapulted into being Prime Ministers. I and others never voted for him. He was more a pen pusher and number cruncher than the face of Labour.
New Labour is now Old Labour and going back too their old roots. Would we all want a Tory Government? |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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shouldn't this be posted under the Jeremy Vine Show?
I've never voted Labour but I can't help but feel a little sorry for Gordon Brown... It's not only the UK facing the current problems is it? I do think he should have lowered taxes on fuel before now - they must have seen this coming!
But maybe not after listening to Hazel Blears on Question Time last night.
I was quite amused by her much repeated " I/we are getting the message from the public and this audience and we will listen to it"
I think they should have got the message many months ago...
I can't help but feel the media are mostly to blame for this situation, it's like a Witch hunt!
Another thing.. I'm surprised Mr. Brown hasn't appeared on the TV to speak to the nation.
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Although I'm not into politics enough to speak with a knowledgeable opinion..  I must say that Cameron's comment today that this By-Election result was the people saying lets have a Conservative Government is cobblers imho. I believe it's a protest vote telling Labour to get their act together.
From what I see, the Conservative Party is just a bunch of faceless zeros, with Cameron spouting off about anything of the moment which he thinks people want to hear!
and I've always voted Conservative! 
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | I must say that Cameron's comment today that this By-Election result was the people saying lets have a Conservative Government is cobblers imho. |
Well he was accompanied by the Timpson family at the time 
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The parties in the past who have won By -Elections have gone on to win the General Election. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Of course he is finished. When you become a figure of ridicule, there is little hope
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Heloise
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| Quote: | Although I'm not into politics enough to speak with a knowledgeable opinion.. I must say that Cameron's comment today that this By-Election result was the people saying lets have a Conservative Government is cobblers imho. I believe it's a protest vote telling Labour to get their act together.
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I agree.
As far as policy goes the opposition can promise the moon and stars because they are the opposition and don't have to actually deliver any of it yet. However I think the by-election result was a bit of a wake up call and also a backlash against Tony Blair's term in office and in particular the Iraq war. I'm not convinced that this would point to a possible victory for the conservatives in a general election. If the new local government makes a hash of running things and things improve for the PM, some of those voters could revert back to labour supporters come the general election.
I'm not sure how off the general election is. I suppose until then it all hinges on whether his own MPs turn against him and a leadership battle ensues.
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| Heloise wrote: | | However I think the by-election result was a bit of a wake up call and also a backlash against Tony Blair's term in office and in particular the Iraq war. |
Unless the voters of Crewe are behind the times & haven't heard that Tony Blair resigned a year ago its highly unlikely. If they were protesting Iraq they would have voted Lib Dem.
Fact is that a lot of Labour voting blue collar workers voted Tory for the first time in their lives. Thats a tipping point in politics. All Labour have left is their core vote of public sector employees who rely on Labour to feather thir nests.
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| gfloyd wrote: | | Fact is that a lot of Labour voting blue collar workers voted Tory for the first time in their lives. Thats a tipping point in politics. |
Certainly is - in my constituency in elections past you could have put a dog up in a red rosette and it would have won hands down - now I'm not so sure.
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Alan Johnson is the only guy that could take over & at least prevent a landslide IMO. Johnson's the only one of the cabinet that has ever had a real job as far as I know.
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mark occomore
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He needs to change his image. I remember when he first took over he was advised to cut his hair etc etc. I know Tony Blair looked old in the end for PM, but he was a younger image when he first became PM. Gordon Brown needs to change his ways and I can't see him stop being ruthless.
As for David Cameron he's a young looking PM and in time would age if he was elected as PM. So people will look up to him and vote. |
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SantaFefan
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That's part of the problem in this country,  his or Blair's looks should have nothing to do with anything! it's talking sense and acting for the good of the community which matters as far as I'm concerned.
Cameron....  no experience at all.
Lets have some older, seasoned politicians back in the running.
are there any left?
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Heloise
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| gfloyd wrote: | | Heloise wrote: | | However I think the by-election result was a bit of a wake up call and also a backlash against Tony Blair's term in office and in particular the Iraq war. |
Unless the voters of Crewe are behind the times & haven't heard that Tony Blair resigned a year ago its highly unlikely. If they were protesting Iraq they would have voted Lib Dem.
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I should say I'm not writing this with any personal particular political loyality just as an interested onlooker.
Tony Blair might have resigned a while ago now but there has been so much press since and several books released recently which have kept it all very current. This was been a chance for the longstanding Labour electorate to voice it's displeasure and tell Labour to pull their socks up, if they want their vote back in future. People wouldn't necessarily have to vote Lib Dem, just not vote labour. In some respects it's the things that went wrong in the previous years that will follow the the new PM around much more than the good things because it's the bad things the opposition will always bring up to fuel their arguments. And if these are voiced often enough and loud enough any good policy decisions are forgotten. I don't think those voters would automatically return to labour just because there was a new Leader of the party. Isn't that what happened with the Conservatives i.e they replaced Margaret Thatcher with John Major who then lost the election to Tony Blair.
I agree, as long as they are doing the job well it shouldn't matter a jot what the PM looks like but unfotunately that is a sign of the appearence obssessed times we live in.
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