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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Former Eastenders Actress Brother Stabbed |
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A former EastEnders actress whose 16-year-old brother died after being stabbed has urged people to "put an end to this" violence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7481505.stm
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It needs to be controlled. We all could try on here and say what we want, but it's the people and the gangs who need to think twice. They are not just hurting the poor victims, they are destroying a family. |
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gfloyd
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 4861 Location: Here, There, Everywhere.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what relevance his sister being in Eastenders has? Is it only a story if he is related to a minor celeb? _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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frank
Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 20 Location: calais france
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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i dont understand why this is news. And if something has to be done, what exaclty has to be done? |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19372 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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What was a 16 year old doing drinking in a bar until 3 am in the morning?
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Heloise
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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If early reports are correct it seems this young man was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was stabbed in a case of mistaken identity.
My two didn't go out much at that young age but I certainly remember my eldest going out with a group of friends to celebrate leaving school and finishing exams at a local club. My question was how the hell did you get in ? You don't look anything like the right age! but they had.
The people in the wrong here are the ones who carried out this crime. and others like it. Who take weapons and use them against another people...sometimes linked to alcohol and nights out. Sometimes a child on their way home from playing football in the park. I tend to agree with the school of thought if you are caught carrying a weapon, it should be presummed you have an intention to use it.
Very very sad indeed their but for the grace of God.... _________________ Put some records on while I pour |
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gfloyd
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Helen May wrote: | What was a 16 year old doing drinking in a bar until 3 am in the morning?
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Good question. _________________ His name was ernie ........ and he drove the fastest milk cart in the west..... |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Would the press reported this as much if he didn't have a actress as a sister who played in a well known soap? |
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Heloise
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Does it matter?
The point is it is being reported. Pictures of all those people marching in memory of this young man and in despair of the crime that has taken his young life away, were very powerful images.
It is time for this to stop and it wont until there is cultural change in the way young people in particular perceive the situation. Mum, dad, teachers trying to say this are just nagging spoil sports. Young people stand to hear the message better from other young people and people they admire such as famous sporting, music, acting icons. There's no point waiting for a govermnent policy to magic the problem away. It's going to take a multi approach campaign to bring about a cultural change, as happened with drink driving for instance. A change in the way these crimes are reported so as the culprits are not made into mini icons, more responsible film and music making. Tougher sentences for those convicted would help too. _________________ Put some records on while I pour |
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Helen May
Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 19372 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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mark occomore wrote: | Would the press reported this as much if he didn't have a actress as a sister who played in a well known soap? |
Yes they would have done, but as Heloise says 'does it matter'? Something has to change.
H _________________ 88 - 91 FM this is Radio 2 from the BBC!
I said it live on air in the studio with Jeremy Vine on 10/3/2005 |
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Briant
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 964 Location: Liverpool England UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Where have all the flowers gone...... |
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I've just heard that a young woman was stabbed to death in London today. Meanwhile Boris Johnson and Ian Blair are on TV telling us how they are winning the fight against knife crime. |
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Mark Mayhew
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Briant-Clearly you don't live/work in London.
The word perspective is missing in you logic/posting. Consider the overall population of London against the actual crime being commited-very small % I would suggest. |
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Briant
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 964 Location: Liverpool England UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Perspectives.... |
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So the fight against knife crime in this country is being won then Mark? |
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admin
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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I hate to ask this question, but does anyone think this is a multicultural problem? With the increased ammount of Black people in this country, we seem to have inherited a certain ammount of crimes that were predominately carried out in 'gangland' attacks.
I think that the sugegestion that anyone caught with a knife or gun, should be forced into national service.... but without any of the coddling that the loony human rights people keep forcing upon us. If they think guns and knifes are cool, put them in the firing line so our courageous soldiers have some help! If the enlistees play up one little bit, then it's military prison!!!!!! |
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iwarburton
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: |
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This isn't just a problem in London. In my neck of the woods a man was attacked by two others after remonstrating with a group who were using bad language on a bus.
Also, Boris Johnson is advising the public not to have a go at those involved in violent events but to walk on. Is this a case of handing over the streets to a violent element or taking sensible precautions?
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iknewdavidjacobsmum
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Blimey, that's bit strong! I went to school in Brixton during the 70's, a fairly multicultural place, never felt unsafe even at night.
Personally, I think a lot of the problem stems from the coverage of U.S. gangs, if people didn't know about the, a lot of the trouble wouldn't happen. |
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John W
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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admin wrote: | I hate to ask this question, but does anyone think this is a multicultural problem? With the increased ammount of Black people in this country, we seem to have inherited a certain ammount of crimes that were predominately carried out in 'gangland' attacks.
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admin,
I always thought the Kray twins were white. And all the Glasgow gang fights and Catholic/Protestant fights there when I was a kid were all white folk.
Although it's a relatively high % of black kids knifed in London and shot in Birmingham the problem is across the board, admin. And it's not all about drugs, though some of it is.
The fact that a celeb family have suffered this week can only help draw attention to the problem, and maybe influence some vulnerable kids who get caught up in the knife-carrying.
We could get famous footballers involved in a campaign but a few of them are in prison at the moment |
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mark occomore
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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admin wrote: | I hate to ask this question, but does anyone think this is a multicultural problem? With the increased ammount of Black people in this country, we seem to have inherited a certain ammount of crimes that were predominately carried out in 'gangland' attacks.
I think that the sugegestion that anyone caught with a knife or gun, should be forced into national service.... but without any of the coddling that the loony human rights people keep forcing upon us. If they think guns and knifes are cool, put them in the firing line so our courageous soldiers have some help! If the enlistees play up one little bit, then it's military prison!!!!!! |
Do you mean black gangs against white gangs? National Service isn't going to help. They will be back on the streets doing it again or the next person. You could ban everyone selling knives, but still could get one from the kitchen draw. It's never going to stop, but may calm down. I think there is more too the killing than meets the eye. Ben Kinsella unfortunately got mixed up in it.
At the end of the day it's back to the same old Government thing " Throwing money at a problem" and the public have been sucked in. |
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Heloise
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's a muti-cultural problem either as such. Although the widdening appeal of hip hop and some R+B music with it propensity for violent lyrics etc is probably a contributing factor, as are many things. There is no one cause and no one single solution to the problem.
Some possible contributing factors. The general erosion in our culture of respect for each other, other peoples property and family values. An over zealous pc brigade. The result of a couple of generations of young impressionable minds because of the advent of video/dvd and cable tv having access to very violent films. Long gone are the days when inappropriate films would only seen by adults. And with the improvement in special effects etc films have got progressively more gory. Violent computer/video games. The way crime is reported in the media tv/newspapers sometimes giving those who carry it out notoriety. And the putting economics before common sense or safety e.g. if you know you are expecting thousands of people into a public place to watch a footie match, don't have alcohol readily available as it will surely be abused by some.
I'm sure there are many more reasons out there and no matter what you do there will always be a certain level of the various types of crimes. We'll never attain Utopia, so it's hardly suprising a combination of all these things has had an effect on the way society is.
Lots of people are calling for the return on National Service. I think I'm for this too. Although I see the point that why should the services have to deal with these undesirable people. Obviously they would need training and I think the training period alone would sort a good percentage of them out. They should have to pass out at a level which would be the normal for people wanting to join the forces...if they don't then jail them for the rest of their sentence.
Sheepishly steps down from soapbox _________________ Put some records on while I pour |
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