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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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every complaint is valid.

No they aren't. The show was broadcast at a specific time to an audience who know the sort of thing to expect..


So if I had tuned in by accident, let's say, in the midst of the calls*, would I have the right to complain even though I wouldn't normally have listened to RB's show because I don't like his 'brand' of "comedy"? Or is it that I shouldn't complain because this sort of thing is deemed acceptable between 2100 and 2300 on a Saturday night on R2?

(*When this show began, I did just that a few times before remembering not to go anywhere near R2 after 2100 and before 2300....)

Not trying to stir things, I'm simply interested in working out who has a right to complain about a particular presenter, programme or content.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you had listened to the show then yes, complain if offended but anyone who complains that did not listen to it when broadcast is merely jumping on the Mail on Sunday bandwagon to rid themselves of two performers they don't like.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are mssing the point Shelster. I don't have to listen to a radio programme to know that leaving obscene messages on ANYONE'S answerphone is wrong. It's on the same level as cyber bullying and happy slapping - inexcusable by both teenagers and so-called celebrities and not even remotely funny.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its nothing like happy slapping for goodness sake
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its nothing like happy slapping for goodness sake


Yes it is. You make a recording of an assault and laugh about it. You broadcast it or send it to everyone, so they can laugh about it.

Physical, mental, digital, whatever, bullying. There is no place on Radio 2 for bullying.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cherskiy wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
John W wrote:
every complaint is valid.

No they aren't. The show was broadcast at a specific time to an audience who know the sort of thing to expect..


So if I had tuned in by accident, let's say, in the midst of the calls*, would I have the right to complain even though I wouldn't normally have listened to RB's show because I don't like his 'brand' of "comedy"? Or is it that I shouldn't complain because this sort of thing is deemed acceptable between 2100 and 2300 on a Saturday night on R2?

(*When this show began, I did just that a few times before remembering not to go anywhere near R2 after 2100 and before 2300....)

Not trying to stir things, I'm simply interested in working out who has a right to complain about a particular presenter, programme or content.

If you tuned in by accident and were offended... then complain. It's this bizarre situation of people seeking out material so they can be offended and complain about it that mystifies me.

I hate the PC culture of people being offended on behalf of other people. If those "other people" (like Andrew Sachs) wish to do something they should. But why should 30,000 complain on behalf of someone who doesn't?

As for any criminal wrong-doing... again, if Sachs wants to bring charges or not it's up to him. Nothing to do with any of us!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It slightly amazes me that the opinions of things being "overblown" or " it wasn't really that bad" seems to ignore the fact that there have been other incidents involving Russell Brand 0n R2 haven't there? the phone call to the police re a serial killer for example? or was that ok too.
I couldn't imagine Mark Radcliffe doing stuff like this...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there have been other incidents involving Russell Brand 0n R2 haven't there? the phone call to the police re a serial killer for example? or was that ok too.

Wasn't that his live stage show, not Radio 2?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh was it? in that case I withdraw my point. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why should 30,000 complain on behalf of someone who doesn't?




The BBC is a special case in that it is financed by 10million+ licences paid for by the public, so we all have a stake in it, and it should be answerable to all of us.

The BBC has had complaints about Douglas, Ross, Brand, Evans etc etc since each of them got involved with Radio 2. Remember Evans had 100s of complaints about his appointment in 2005. The BBC tried to ignore them and said on Feedback that Evans was the future.... blah blah

OK Evans isn't an obscene oaf and recently has improved his image. But the BBC succeeded in ignoring the hundreds of complaints.

This time, with Brand/Ross, it's thousands of complaints, not much more really, but the reason for the complaints is so much more important, and the BBC had to respond decisively.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because thousands of people have decided to complain about a broadcast that the vast majority of them have not even heard does not mean that they are necessarily correct.

By your figures John, that makes 9,970,000 licence fee payers who have not complained
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just because thousands of people have decided to complain about a broadcast that the vast majority of them have not even heard does not mean that they are necessarily correct.



I'm not saying the 30,000 Brand/Ross complainers are correct. I'm saying I agree with them, and so does the senior management of the BBC.

I'm not saying the 100s of Evans complainers are correct. I'm saying I agree with them, but the senior BBC management does not.

that's the difference.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do largely agree with you John, but the fact is the 500,000 people who actually listened to and enjoyed Russell Brand have just as much say as licence payers as the 30,000 people who complained.

A PSB broadcaster has a responsibility to cater to all tastes. I would say that LD ignored this responsibilty, but at least there was something there that younger people can say "I pay my tax, I listen." If the BBC doesn't take risks on people like this, then it may as well lose the licence fee and we'll all listen to Century FM clones for the rest of our lives.

(My issue with Brand all along has been that he's not Radio 2 material, not that he shouldn't be employed at all - despite the fact I don't find him funny or engaging).
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A PSB broadcaster has a responsibility to cater to all tastes!

Indeed, but surely the point of having Radios 1 & 2 as separate entities is so that those tastes can be catered for by division. Radio 2 really has lost the plot in that regard, and the departure of LD might be a way back. We can but hope!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
I do largely agree with you John, but the fact is the 500,000 people who actually listened to and enjoyed Russell Brand have just as much say as licence payers as the 30,000 people who complained.


But even if those 500,000 come out and say that Brand/Ross's behaviour was acceptable doesn't mean they are correct. The BBC management have agreed with the 30,000 and the appropriate actions taken.

The lack of new public uproar since the Brand-Douglas exit suggests that the BBC management has taken the actions that most licence payers wanted.


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If the BBC doesn't take risks on people like this, then it may as well lose the licence fee and we'll all listen to Century FM clones for the rest of our lives.


The BBC will only lose the licence fee if they lose say 90% of their listeners. Brand's exit will lose them a few %.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole point is though that only two people who heard the broadcast complained - and that was because of the use of the F Word.

The rest are people who had no business complaining and Noel Gallagher is correct, it is typical of the English to be outraged 5 days after the programme was broadcast.

If the Mail on Sunday had not run this story, the vast majority of people on this board would not even be aware of the broadcast.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheltster wrote:
If the Mail on Sunday had not run this story, the vast majority of people on this board would not even be aware of the broadcast.


As Gambo said those it was a time bomb waiting to go off. If it wasnt this one incident, it could have been any of the other dozen or so incidents that happened but werent picked up on. Plenty have complained before, but this was the galvinising incident that lead people in their masses to shout "ENOUGH"
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfloyd wrote:
If the Mail on Sunday had not run this story, the vast majority of people on this board would not even be aware of the broadcast.


Eh, shelster. Look at the first posting of this thread dated 19 October. OK, Mark didn't go into detail but we do have to thank Mark and others who brought the episode to the attention of the press and to millions of licence-payers.

As Gambo has said sooner or later the behaviour of Brand was going to become very public. He was humiliating staff at the BBC, humiliating people with his phone pranks, he was like a runaway bus that eventually flew over the edge of the cliff and came to a crashing end. Somehow the bus driver on the day, Ross, is hanging on to life by a thread.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be interested to know Russell Brand's Ponderland on Channel 4 last night got it's highest-ever ratings. So who's the loser here...?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You may be interested to know Russell Brand's Ponderland on Channel 4 last night got it's highest-ever ratings. So who's the loser here...?


It was a repeat, and it was heavily trailed. Curiousity I expect. Rolling Eyes
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I don't think the BBC need to be concerned about raitings wars? Why should they? It's getting caught up in the commercialisation that has led to such rubbish being aired on the BBC in the first place and I don't just mean Brand across the board. They get their money regardless of whether a million people watch or so or they don't.

It's the old old story of people's curiosity gets the better of them so they watch even if they don't like it. Bit like more accidents being caused when everyone slows down to gawk at a motorway pile up.
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I don't think it will do Russell Brand any harm at all - his radio show was only a part of his profile. He is establishing himself in America and has a number of shows on C4.

He will probably do very well out of it, as will Georgina - as her exclusive interview in the Sun has proven.

Prior to this had anyone heard of the Satanic Sluts?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean to offend anybody but reading some of the posts here and on the Radio2 boards, it comes across to me that Russell's fans believe he can do and say whatever he likes.
Well, I'm glad he and Ross have been slapped down and I hope they've learnt a lesson.
Similar thing happened to Jade Goody didn't it...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jade Goody - now there is someone who I really can't stand!
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He is establishing himself in America and has a number of shows on C4.


How is he establishing himself in America? Publicly insulting their president didn't go down very well over there did it?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
You may be interested to know Russell Brand's Ponderland on Channel 4 last night got it's highest-ever ratings. So who's the loser here...?


It was a repeat, and it was heavily trailed. Curiousity I expect. Rolling Eyes


It wasn't a repeat. Hence the heavy trails Rolling Eyes
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Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:
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He is establishing himself in America and has a number of shows on C4.


How is he establishing himself in America? Publicly insulting their president didn't go down very well over there did it?

He's making a few more movies with the cool lot - and he must have done pretty well to even get that presenting gig in the first place.

Not that I think he's any good - but he's certainly got a good agent and publicist, and that's what Lesley Douglas fell for too.
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