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John W
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 Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: the future Radio 2 |
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How will the Brand/Ross affair affect BBC Radio 2 in the future?
What instructions will go to pre-broadcast checkers? Maybe the instructions will be the same but from now on properly implemented?
The current remit described in the Statement of Programme Policy doesn't enter into the subject of 'suitability' in terms of language used by presenters nor the subject of moral decency, nor does the service licence document.
Radio2 SOPP 2008/2009
Radio 2 Service Licence, April 2008
So where are the guidelines about programme content?
Sir Michael Lyons, BBC Trust, said in an interview with John Humphreys:
'We all know when a programme goes too far and clearly the Brand programme went too far.
'This is not a question of me defining where the boundary is.
'Firstly, we are saying there is a need for further tightening of editorial control. There are still parts of the BBC where editorial responsibility is not being taken seriously enough.
'There needs to be even stricter editorial controls where there is provocative material.'
But Sir Michael added the BBC should not back away from provocative material, warning the corporation would fail to reach younger viewers if it did not represent changing attitudes.
BBC Director Mark Thompson in an e-mail to BBC staff wrote:
"I will be holding a series of meetings across the BBC with the most senior editorial and compliance figures to brief them on what went wrong and how we can all together minimise the possibility of anything like this happening again".
Well, in his interview Sir Michael Lyons sounded confused and unsure, yeah?
So, how do they define what is or what isn't acceptable on Radio 2?
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| One paper is reporting on Saturday. Saying! " They don't know if Ross will be able to recover from this scandal and return to Radio 2? |
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gfloyd
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: the future Radio 2 |
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| John W wrote: |
So, how do they define what is or what isn't acceptable on Radio 2?
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Well they are making it up as they go along aren't they?
A good start would be not to break the law or encourage others to do the same.
With commercial media, it is easier, as they have to aviod upsetting the advertisers. If Ross was on a commercial station, how many advertisers would want to buy time on his show?
On Radio 2, this broad and ever expanding tent has left the management completely befuddled as to who their listener is supposed to. Its fine if the schedule is completely compartmentalised, but what about the daytime listener who just happens to switch Radio 2 on at night while in the car or whatever. You can't just say to Brand, here are 2 hours and do whatever the hell you like during it. But sadly that seemed to be just what they did.
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I find it strange that Lesley Douglas is described by Mark Thompson as a 'broadcaster'.
I'd define broadcaster as someone who at least has had a programme or at least has appeared on more than just a few. Apart from the day she was appointed and was on the JV show just after the announcement, I don't think I've heard her.
I think I've spoken more words than she has on air  .
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Mark Lucas
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Well, the network will not revert back to the pre-Moir era as some people wish. Radio 2 is the BBC's flagship station that supports a lot of decent talent and good music.
My guess is things will continue as they are, although Jonathan Ross's show, and similar ones, will probably be closely monitored and toned down. |
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gfloyd
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark Lucas wrote: | | Well, the network will not revert back to the pre-Moir era as some people wish. |
I dont know of any poster here who wants that. Who are you referring to?
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People on here, and other forums, have said that Lesley Douglas destroyed Radio 2, and are calling for past presenters i.e. Ed Stewart, Richard Allinson, Martin Kelner to be reinstated.
Wishful thinking on their part. And I don't think Lesley Douglas "destroyed" Radio 2. She made the station cool. |
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| Mark Lucas wrote: | People on here, and other forums, have said that Lesley Douglas destroyed Radio 2, and are calling for past presenters i.e. Ed Stewart, Richard Allinson, Martin Kelner to be reinstated.
Wishful thinking on their part. And I don't think Lesley Douglas "destroyed" Radio 2. She made the station cool. |
Allinson still works for the station. In facts he is never off it. Ed Stewart also pops up from time to time. I havent heard Kelner mentioned here much. So I am still puzzled as to who you are referring to?
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Allinson is a stand-in, and is only used occasionally. He's freelance. Ed Stewart popped up twice - last year. And there's no indication of him returning.
Have you checked out BBC Points of View, Smeggy's and Digital Spy? |
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gfloyd
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| Mark Lucas wrote: |
Have you checked out BBC Points of View, Smeggy's and Digital Spy? |
What is Smeggy's? Do you have a link?
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| Mark Lucas wrote: | | Allinson is a stand-in, and is only used occasionally. |
 occasionally ? he always seems to be on |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Comeback-Martin Kelner! |
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I'd like to have Martin Kelner back! He is very witty and he knows a bit about music too, as proved on his 'epoch making eighteen months run' (his description) on Radio 2.  |
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gfloyd
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| Mark Lucas wrote: | | Wishful thinking on their part. And I don't think Lesley Douglas "destroyed" Radio 2. She made the station cool. |
She also hired Elaine Paige
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mark occomore
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| Reverting the station back to old days of people sitting around smoking a pipe and listening to Radio 2 will never happen? The station still needs to continue to go forward, and look at different ways of making it sound entertaining? I think Brand is a good example not to try it that way? Maconie and Radcliffe in the Evenings is a starter? Bring something like that to Saturday Evenings? |
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Saturday evenings need to be different from week nights Mark.
I'd prefer Radcliffe and Maconie to be on later than they are. I rarely listen to radio later on now as I prefer a set thing each night at that time. I tend to watch TV mid evening but the specialist shows are shorter so you can dip in and out either live or on listen again.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark Lucas wrote: | People on here, and other forums, have said that Lesley Douglas destroyed Radio 2, and are calling for past presenters i.e. Ed Stewart, Richard Allinson, Martin Kelner to be reinstated.
Wishful thinking on their part. And I don't think Lesley Douglas "destroyed" Radio 2. She made the station cool. |
No, I think Jim Moir made the station cool. It was during his tenure (when I was about 25) that I started listening. He celebrated and promoted diversity. Lesley tried to continue but she just ended up compartmentalising everything and pushing the stuff she personally disliked/misunderstood to the edges. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | The station still needs to continue to go forward, and look at different ways of making it sound entertaining?
I think Brand is a good example not to try it that way? Maconie and Radcliffe in the Evenings is a starter? Bring something like that to Saturday Evenings? |
Mark, what is so great about moving forward? Is it progress if all we do is teach cannibals to use a knife and fork?
Maconie- not for me thanks.
I find all this- what should be on Radio 2, a little odd. On a Sunday, I scan the TV magazine to pick out all the programmes that I'd like to watch in the coming week. Many different channels involved. It's much the same for Radio. If what you want to listen to is not on Radio 2- then it's far less effort, and much more likely to succeed, to tune to that station, than it is to lobby the BBC to bring "your programme" to Radio 2. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Comeback-Martin Kelner! |
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| Briant wrote: | | I'd like to have Martin Kelner back! He is very witty and he knows a bit about music too, as proved on his 'epoch making eighteen months run' (his description) on Radio 2. |
He's definitely funny on R5Live's "Fighting Talk" - when him and John ("Psycho") Rawling turn up on the same show, it's always a classic. 
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| Helen May wrote: | I tend to watch TV mid evening but the specialist shows are shorter so you can dip in and out either live or on listen again.
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For me, that was the beauty of the specialist programming before the introduction of R&M upset the schedules. If a particular night's theme wasn't to your taste, well, it was only on for an hour (or 30 minutes where Nigel Ogden entertained) so there wasn't too long to wait for the next change in style, whilst those who were interested had a programme devoted to their music at a reasonable time of night. La Douglas simply exiled the minorities towards midnight where they'd be guaranteed almost ab zero live listening figures (thus justifying her decision to relegate them to the middle of the night), replacing them with almost an extension of the regular daylight format in the shape of R&M four nights a week. Whilst I'm a fan of the latter, l would appreciate them being on a couple of hours later - more room for the specialist shows and maybe even the odd live gig or concert that doesn't fit into FNIMN or a Saturday slot....
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| gfloyd wrote: | | Mark Lucas wrote: | | Wishful thinking on their part. And I don't think Lesley Douglas "destroyed" Radio 2. She made the station cool. |
She also hired Elaine Paige |
Elaine Paige is alright, though maybe she should be moved to a later slot. She has built up quite a large fanbase, and has a lot of young people, even teenagers, tuning into her show. |
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It was very good today from what I heard at least - all Bond theme music. Some great stuff...
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Mark Lucas
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| I played Elaine's quiz on her Radio 2 webpage the other week and was surprised when I scored 8 out of 10! |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | It was very good today from what I heard at least - all Bond theme music. Some great stuff... |
It was great stuff. Gladys Knight did say Licence to Kilt? not kill. Paul O'Grady covering next Sunday. |
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Mark Lucas
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| Paul O'Grady? Good! I like him! |
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