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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:35 pm    Post subject: Strictly... Come On! Reply with quote

I really love to watch this show.
It has everything going for it as far as I'm concerned.. talented people, comedy, drama, a great band, guest singers and of course, the wonderful Bruce Forsythe.. ( what a star - tapdancing at 80!! )

But even I watched agog last night as John Sergeant went through to next stage, forcing an unfair "dance off" between the lovely Lisa Snowden and equally lovely Cheri Lunghi.

The Judges anger over the saving votes from the public was very noticeable and I have to agree with them.. likeable though John is, he really shouldn't be in the running now whereas the displaced Cheri should have gone on to the next stage.

Surely John Sergeant must be feeling rather awkward about this now? even I'm feeling uneasy on his behalf. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Strictly... Come On! Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
I really love to watch this show.
It has everything going for it as far as I'm concerned.. talented people, comedy, drama, a great band, guest singers and of course, the wonderful Bruce Forsythe.. ( what a star - tapdancing at 80!! )

But even I watched agog last night as John Sergeant went through to next stage, forcing an unfair "dance off" between the lovely Lisa Snowden and equally lovely Cheri Lunghi.

The Judges anger over the saving votes from the public was very noticeable and I have to agree with them.. likeable though John is, he really shouldn't be in the running now whereas the displaced Cheri should have gone on to the next stage.

Surely John Sergeant must be feeling rather awkward about this now? even I'm feeling uneasy on his behalf. Confused


I think John is, and the judges are moaning and not helping as the public will continue to vote for him? It will end up turning into a storm like Eurovision did?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm I disagree Santa and here's why...imagine if you will that John is there as the plucky comic reflief... and not actually in the competition... then those in the dance off would be there anyway, the fact that he is in the competition doesn't make it less fair for the others, it just means that their departure from it, is brought forward by a week.


there will be only one winner - I hope JS does it. he gets my vote. Smile

That's the real problem though, the way voting works. If you could vote for who you'd like to boot out - it would be very different.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dancing ham.......if he were a turkey, I'd say he will be gone by Christmas Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope JS wins and shows what a joke the whole concept is. Laughing

X -factor is the same. The public vote for what they want, for whatever reason, and some people don't like it. In the case of X factor whatever happened to the girl from Glasgow who won, and the judges didn't like ? Rolling Eyes

As Homer Simpson said "Democracy doesn't work" Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're right Rachel, but I'm concerned the show appears to be splitting down the middle over this.. hopefully it won't self destruct!
Len Goodman was still pretty angry on "Take Two" this evening.

The Judges insist they are there to mark on technical merit alone whereas a large section of the public ( and possibly Claudia Winkleman ) see it for it's entertainment value plus no doubt, a little sympathy voting too.

Maybe the Beeb should consider a serious competition show later, based on dancing ability alone, with no public involvement?
I'd watch it.

I would say though that to have such an age difference in contestants is a little silly.. although not if viewed purely as an entertainment show.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe the Beeb should consider a serious competition show later, based on dancing ability alone, with no public involvement?


Dancing celebrities behind closed doors perhaps?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touche! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:

Maybe the Beeb should consider a serious competition show later, based on dancing ability alone, with no public involvement?
I'd watch it.


If I remember correctly, the original Come Dancing (the days when you had teams like 'Home Counties-South' Vs 'North-West') had the public as contestants. Though I can't remember how the scoring went in those days. Was there any public phone voting involved?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a light entertainment program, if people like John they will vote for him. Yes he has two left feet but the judges must be stupid if they think their protests are going to make any difference, if anything more people will vote for John because of their moaning.
They cannot get into a huff just because the GBP are not voting for who they want win, that is the rules and they will just have to put up with it.

I hope John makes the final just to annoy them, Len is Ok but the rest of them are so far up their own bums, especially that woman, nasty piece of work.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a light entertainment programme. Is it possible that some are taking the whole thing a tad too seriously? I assume that the judges knew the rules before taking the role on so I don't see how they can complain about the consequences.

By the way, I love the way that Len Goodman announces his scores as if he was hailing a taxi---SEVEN!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Evan Elpuss wrote:

If I remember correctly, the original Come Dancing (the days when you had teams like 'Home Counties-South' Vs 'North-West') had the public as contestants. Though I can't remember how the scoring went in those days. Was there any public phone voting involved?


I did watch it way back then, in black & white of course, but only because there was nothing else to watch! I don't remember how it was scored... but I wouldn't have thought the public got involved.
Didn't the couples have amateurish numbers stuck on their backs?
They showed a small clip of Terry Wogan hosting the show - from the 70s maybe? the judges held up score cards on that occasion.

I hope this tiff doesn't taint the show, I can see it from both points of view. I just marvel at these folks taking up the challenge and doing so well at it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly Ian, and really it's not John's fault people like him.

John to win! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But... Razz this is a dance competition isn't it? not a "who do you like the most" competition.
I can understand the judges frustration, they are passionate about dancing so it will show in their marks and comment about those who are really trying their best to improve and master the steps. ( and don't they just! ) Brucie provides the catalyst for the entertainment.
Even I voted for John in early days but no, he should not have gone through this week. Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it's a popularity contest otherwise why would people vote for a person because they have a nice bum, smile, boobs etc. Or in John's case because he's daft.
I just think people take things way too seriously, it's only TV, it isn't going to change the world or stop the recession.

If people want a serious dance contest get rid of the celebrities and have professionals only.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
I think you're right Rachel, but I'm concerned the show appears to be splitting down the middle over this.. hopefully it won't self destruct!
Len Goodman was still pretty angry on "Take Two" this evening.

The Judges insist they are there to mark on technical merit alone whereas a large section of the public ( and possibly Claudia Winkleman ) see it for it's entertainment value plus no doubt, a little sympathy voting too.

Maybe the Beeb should consider a serious competition show later, based on dancing ability alone, with no public involvement?
I'd watch it.

I would say though that to have such an age difference in contestants is a little silly.. although not if viewed purely as an entertainment show.


It all boils down to cash- money in the end Santa, it’s not about dancing, it’s about folding green ones- else, why involve the public at all? If it really is a dancing contest, then let the expert dancing judges decide the result. Even the way the public voting works is to maximise the amount of votes cast, hence, maximise the cash. If they changed it to vote for the dancer the public would like to eject from the competition, there would be far fewer votes cast overall. The reason that there is so much fuss being made about JS still being in the comp is because the programme maker’s clandestine reason-de-etra is working really well but for all the wrong reasons. No doubt they will now capitalise on that by making even more fuss about JS in the well disguised hope that he will pole zillions of votes and win.

It was much the same with X-Factor last year in the final … it came down to the judges asking the public to vote for the winner based on the country they were born in (England, Scotland, Wales), where’s the talent in that? They made it a vote for your country rather than the best singer….. …
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BBC don't take a profit from the telephone voting (except where it's for charitable purposes) though the telecom companies certainly do.

I think the original intention of the producers in including people such as John Sergeant, and, in previous years, Jimmy Tarbuck and Julian Clary, was as amusement value - we know these people can't dance but they'll give everyone a good laugh trying. Well, they soon found out, with Clary, that popularity was enough to carry him, and others like him, far beyond any capability he had as a dancer, to the inevitable disadvantage of others.

John Sergeant wasn't everybody's idea of nation's favourite comedic personality when this series started, but he has won the public over with sheer hard work and determination, and an ability to stare down and even answer back the judges and their moaning about "dance competition". They would do well to remember that, strictly speaking, the BBC's dance competition was a dead duck as a piece of popular entertainment and was dropped a few years ago.

Who knows what will happen over the next few weeks. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the public will actually let him win, especially as there is very little to choose between most of the others. It would then be a case of "Follow that...", which they couldn't, without moving the goalposts and/or changing the judges, and the whole thing, which has probably reached the end of its shelf-life anyway, could be laid to rest, to be fondly looked back upon in years to come. No chance.

Jan Etherington in today's Telegraph puts it much better than I
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/18/do1806.xml
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, sadly John has decided to leave the show and I can understand why.
I've talked a lot about this over the last few days and the more I think about it, the more I feel it is silly to have people like John there in the first place.
All the contestants should be of roughly the same age and ability, maybe even two groups? under 35 and over?
But, although it's generally indicated that he is there for the entertainment value, that ignores the fact that, for others, the contest is the entertainment doesn't it? it's certainly true for me - the dancing is the fascinating thing about the show.
I just hope this move won't cause further unrest and criticism of the judges, who are also, a big part of the show's appeal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they've blown it-big style, Santa. JS being bullied out like that will go down like a cup of sick with many of the viewers. My mum is writing to her MP as I type. She's fuming! She loves JS and thinks his dancing is fantastic.

I can understand why JS has thrown in the towel though- he's done the honourable thing and spared the judges from having to out themselves further as the humourless venomous troglodytes they've shown themselves to be thus far.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it a shame that John is going, if only for the fact that a) I couldn't care less which one of the remaining acts win and b) those left all take it too damn seriously!!

I'd like to have a word with all of them and say "lighten up". It's not rocket science or anything really important, it's a dancing competition in aid of charity. All this angst and earnestness is really out of place.

Edit: Well said Rach!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I bet Cherie Lunghi is dead chuffed!

Even if he was getting the top public vote now I'd have been surprised if that would have been sustained over the five remaining weeks of the series. I think John Sergeant is very much his own man, so bullying is a bit strong a term - he has decided that discretion is the better part of valour, and that the joke has gone far enough.

The public will rightly feel cheated, though, and the BBC will have a headache in refunding the telephone votes (the "profit" element of which went to Children In Need).

They have decided to move the goalposts for the next series, so that anyone who comes bottom of the judges' voting three weeks running is automatically ejected, so duffers need not apply, unless they are really desparate for the publicity. They won't do it, of course, but I think it would be a good idea to give it a rest for a year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In wonder if the viewing figures will plunge Laughing

I see the judges are trying to be nice about him now, Craig Breville Toaster was saying he wanted him to stay. Laughing
I think most of the judges need replacing, they have all become Simon Cowell types. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want any of the judges to leave over this as I think they are a strong part of the show Razz but yes, they do now seem to be back peddling a little, maybe a little red faced too...

I believe John was faced with a very difficult situation which could only deteriorate and I think he explained his hard thought decision very well on the extended "Take 2" programme last night.

I'm still under the impression Claudia regrets the way he's been treated and although she hinted that she'd been "told off" for taking sides, she stood up for him last night.

I wasn't impressed by the attitude of Cherie's partner at all.. insinuating that John had got exactly what he wanted - more attention!

The star for me is the American chap, Heather Small's partner, he always speaks with respect and constructive comment.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree with all of that.

John was very calm and dignified in his press conference and grilling on "It Takes Two" last night, so dignified that he refused to comfort a clearly distraught Kristina Rihanoff (understandably, perhaps, since he is old enough to be her grandfather and may not have wanted to look like the proverbial dirty old man.) He has added to the Quotes of the Year list when the media does its reviews next month - the time to leave the party is before the fight begins.

The judges were employed to judge the technical points of dance and choreography - Len was a judge on the old Come Dancing - and they have done it very well. I get the feeling that this year they were told to be a bit more "nasty", to help compete with the competition on the other channel.

It is after all a peak-time light entertainment show (otherwise, as I said earlier, it would be on late at night, or not at all) and all the fuss and protests have been disproportionate and, as usual, whipped up by the newspapers. The show has now lost more than one of its participants, it has lost a lot of its entertainment value, and we shall see what effect that has on viewing figures after John's swansong this Saturday.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right about losing entertainment value Ron. As I've said before, the remaining contestants all take it far too seriously - have any of them got a sense of humour? I really couldn't care which one of them wins because of this attitude - how many others will feel the same and not watch after this?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When your wife starts receiving telephone calls demanding that you apologise to other contestants that is the time to go.


I can't bear the judges and they are being so hypocrytical over this as well. Arlene is nasty, Bruno is just silly, Len can be Ok but often will play to the cameras and Craig, well he's just Craig Laughing
Compare them to the judges on maestro who offered advice to the contestants without being personal.
I thought Arlene's comment about John being a dancing pig were below the belt.

They reckon they are going refund everyone who voted for John. Confused
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This is a defining moment in history. In the past they asked 'Do you remember where you were when... JFK was shot? When Elvis died? When the Twin Towers were attacked?' In the future they will say 'Do you remember where you were when John Sergeant dramatically left (two left feet actually) Strictly Come Dancing?' Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Jonathan Ross should take a lead from John Sergeant and do the honourable thing.... I doubt it somehow.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
Maybe Jonathan Ross should take a lead from John Sergeant and do the honourable thing.... .


I'm sure Wossy can dance perfectly badly without any help from John Sergeant! Wink
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What was wrong with Len tonight Shocked time of the month or something Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I was getting a little uncomfortable for a second or two.. particularly when he said "he'd had enough of this.." Confused
Quite moving at the end though with a very gracious John Sergeant and a genuinely upset Kristina Rihanoff, I hope she'll come back for next season. A nice final dance from them too.

I'm sure that all those who follow the show.. Laughing will agree that the remaining contestants are all fantastic!
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I thought for a fleeting second we were going to have a 'Jerry Springer' type moment with Len & Craig.
Christine wasn't that bad, I thought they were a bit hard on her. If she is in the dance off it will be curtains for her I think but I can see those who voted for John voting for her from now on.

remaining contestants? you mean there are other contestants? Laughing
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I always think Christine does well but, for whatever reason, I agree with Len, she needs to loosen up and sparkle a little more in her routines now the show is hotting up..
I voted for Cherie and was sad to see her go but now I'd probably vote for Lisa who seems to me at least, to be great at everything she's done.
I was wrong last night as I thought Austin Healey's dance was lacking but the judges thought otherwise.
The chap from Holby is incredible and I think he may win or at least be in the final with Rachel Stevens...
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Hmm. It's becoming an advantage to finish bottom of the judges scoring, as Christine was given the public vote of confidence this time.

Lisa and Jodi left to dance off and there was always only going to be one loser there. A shame, but inevitable, because she's not [the build for] a natural dancer but had put an awful lot of work and effort into the training.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I for one can hardly wait for tomorrow's final Laughing Razz Confused

Honestly though, what an incredible threesome, each one of which deserve to win. Surely the best group of dancers yet.
Personally, I'd like to see Lisa take the trophy but I concede it may be Rachel but if she does, then it's well deserved.

As last year's series, I'll really miss this show, I love it - the dancing, the entertainment, the humour and of course the incredible Bruce Forsythe. Top class BBC entertainment.
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I'd imagine you're all just too shocked to comment on the result Laughing
but although I was disappointed to see Lisa go out, I'm not surprised that Tom won the contest..
The last "free style" dance he and Camilla did was just simply amazing to watch... the routine, the black suit & tails, the white Spats, the comedy element... Camilla certainly pulled out all the stops on this one and I think it clinched it for Tom.
Good for him, but in my view, they were all winners in this series.

Can't wait for the next!
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