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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:51 pm    Post subject: England v Germany Reply with quote

Abysmal.. that was the word used in the studio after the game..
I'm not a football fan but watched the match all the way through. Apart from about 20 minutes of reasonably good play by the England team, even I could see the standard was poor.. uncoordinated, messy, half hearted, amateurish.. just embarrassing.
I just don't get it. All the millions we spend on managers who can barely speak English plus the training these guys get and this is the best we can do? I understand Slovenia's budget was below 50k and we struggled to beat them..
How can we get it so wrong?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the reason is that the game is over-hyped here in England. The fact is that, as a nation, we're just not much cop at football any more and people are scared to admit it.

People are saying that this shouldn't be, given the standard of football in the premiereship - but when you then take note of the number of foreign players there are it all slots into place.

England deserved what it got today. I'm just sorry that I lost my bet that Germany would win 3-1, that's all!! Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appalling. Defence were asleep. That goal from Germany's goal kick was schoolboy stuff.

And FIFA should be embarrassed that half a billion people round the world saw England's second goal yet the referree and his 4th official are not allowed two minutes to view the video and award the goal.

I recall the US team was also disallowed a clear goal, in one of their early group games.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with what has already been said, not a football fan as a rule but made an exception this afternoon and watched the whole thing.
One word DIRE! Germany outplayed us for virtually the whole game apart from just after we scored when we looked reasonable.

Capello's grasp of English does not seem that good, surely this does not help matters when he's trying to get something across to the players.
That said they were truly awful today and even a manager speaking perfect queen's English would not have made a difference.

Good luck to Germany against Argentina in the next round.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find totally laughable is that although FIFA won't invest (like - at what cost?) goal-line sensors similar to those used at Wimbledon and also in some cricket matches - they do have the means for officials to speak into the referee's wireless earpiece (which they're doing anyway) and say "That was very clearly a goal, you dickhead. Allow it or there'll be trouble".

Isn't it that simple? So was the whole disallowed goal thing a stitch-up or what?

I agree with John. I was truly an appalling game.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The disallowed goal does not disguise the fact we were truly terrible and the Germans outclassed us. Things like this happen all the time don't they, the Maradona 'Hand of god' comes to mind.
And in 66, Geoff's goal should not have been given, I suppose things balance themselves out eventually.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
The disallowed goal does not disguise the fact we were truly terrible and the Germans outclassed us.


Definitely not. The German side was many times better.

Toggy wrote:
Things like this happen all the time don't they, the Maradona 'Hand of god' comes to mind. And in 66, Geoff's goal should not have been given, I suppose things balance themselves out eventually.


Yes, but both of those incidents were less obvious - and the 1966 goal would have been almost impossible for the ref or linesmen to have seen - and the TV coverage was 405-line B&W. Much the same is true of Maradona's hand-ball - it just wasn't obvious at the moment it occured. However, Lampard's fantastic goal here was a completely different issue altogether - even Beckham saw it from the centre line and was able to accurately gauge the distance that the ball was inside the goal line - so how come the linesman didn't see it?

I think it's a disgrace and the FA really does need to be thumping a few tubs here, especially since hundreds of millions of TV viewers saw the evidence for themselves. It doesn't matter that it won't affect the outcome (rightly so) but there's a point of principle and the record should be set straight.

However, I do agree on one key point - England's performance was indeed crap. There's no other word for it!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
I think it's a disgrace and the FA really does need to be thumping a few tubs here, especially since hundreds of millions of TV viewers saw the evidence for themselves. It doesn't matter that it won't affect the outcome (rightly so) but there's a point of principle and the record should be set straight.

As you say, that second goal wouldn't have changed the eventual outcome of yesterday's match, but in future matches it could be the difference between a team winning or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole structure for England needs to be changed. Sacking Capello won't change anything. The players are just not passionate enough when they wear the england shirt. I think legends like Beckham and Shearer who know English footie would be good for England.

One thing, I'am not surprised we never went all the way. The next job is Euro's?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
The whole structure for England needs to be changed. Sacking Capello won't change anything. The players are just not passionate enough when they wear the england shirt. I think legends like Beckham and Shearer who know English footie would be good for England.

One thing, I'am not surprised we never went all the way. The next job is Euro's?


Cracking idea Mark - put Capello and his pals in charge of the Euro Idea What could possibly go wrong? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
The next job is Euro's?


The next job is Euro's what, exactly? I don't understand.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I presume what Mark meant was the European Championships which take place in 2012. Hopefully we'll have a decent team and an English manager by then Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a fotball fan(though cricket is my main sport) and yesterday mornining i was hoping for a win,but as has been said above apart from when we scored and the first 10 mins of second half we were poor.
Most people in this country do know there is to much hype about england (and i include myself in this) get carried away with it all.
I have not been watching much of this wc but saw argentina last night and thought they looked good
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if the phone ins to the Vine Show indicate the majority opinion of the English population, I'm surprised they'd dare consider a return to the UK!
Like some other sections of today's celeb world, the man in street despises the amount of money they are paid for seemingly little talent.... not mentioning any names of course! Laughing maybe the tide is turning..
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which premire manager would want a poison chalice? I think names like Roy Hodgeson flying around whilst we were playing the first stages of the world cup didn't help matters. I bet that upset the camp and didn't give any confidence in Capello.

I do blame the money and too many forgein players which have ruined the game.

Those guys have passion in football, but not playing for England. There is no discipline. They should stand up straight and Feel passionate when the national anthem is played. All English managers should get together and the key players too sort out this mess. The problem is this will never happen, because as I said. There is too much money involved with their clubs which come first.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is none of the above. The problem is The Football Association and its old-school-tie way of running things. We need to sweep aside the FA and replace it with a new organisation that's appropriate to the 21st century rather than the late 19th century. Until that is achieved anything else is merely scratching the surface and nothing will fundamentally change.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
The problem is none of the above. The problem is The Football Association and its old-school-tie way of running things. We need to sweep aside the FA and replace it with a new organisation that's appropriate to the 21st century rather than the late 19th century. Until that is achieved anything else is merely scratching the surface and nothing will fundamentally change.


Yes we do have a problem with the FA. We do have a problem with overrated and over paid football players who are not passionate when they put on a England shirt. They will all go back to their clubs and score goals, so they all should score goals for England and also make an effort. Capello should stay and build on these mistakes. Beckham, Pearce, Shearer and maybe a few ex key English Managers like Keegan should all be bought in too the FA to help build a better English Football team.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:

Yes we do have a problem with the FA. We do have a problem with overrated and over paid football players who are not passionate when they put on a England shirt. They will all go back to their clubs and score goals, so they all should score goals for England and also make an effort. Capello should stay and build on these mistakes. Beckham, Pearce, Shearer and maybe a few ex key English Managers like Keegan should all be bought in too the FA to help build a better English Football team.


It's still papering over the cracks. The cracks will always be there unless the FA is blown aside and replaced by a completely new commercially-orientated body - one that's prepared to invest seriously in new talent. Until that happens nothing will change at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think a change of manager will help the current situation, it is the players who need changing. Apart from Lampard, Gerrard and J Cole nobody seemed to give a damn.

The part I enjoyed most was seeing Mick Jagger singing along to the national anthem. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Peter Crouch, Isn't he a good goal scorer. Did he even go to South Africa? He should have done. I'm not sure Fabio completely escapes criticism for this, though I agree it isn't completely down to him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Crouch was brought on as sub in the Algeria game, I think it was.

I think the problem is "English Football" and the way it's managed at the top, and the lack of proper training and development infrastructure from the ground up, period.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
The problem is none of the above. The problem is The Football Association and its old-school-tie way of running things. We need to sweep aside the FA and replace it with a new organisation that's appropriate to the 21st century rather than the late 19th century. Until that is achieved anything else is merely scratching the surface and nothing will fundamentally change.


I agree,the system needs an overhaul
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I don't think Fabio should escape any criticism, after all eh made some very curious decisions. I would have thought he would have put on Crouch when we were looking for goals, instead he puts on Heskey Confused

Cameras would be the way froward, they have been used in rugby for sometime now and they don't interrupt the flow of the game.
It may also help to top players diving and trying to get opponents sent off. Who remembers the Rivaldo incident when a Turkish player tamely kicked the ball at his ankles and he went down clutching his face, this sort of thing needs stamping out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real solution is with the Broadcasters. Broadcasters should refuse to show sport that doesn't have technology to back up the decisons made by the officials. It would be introduced overnight. It would also put an end to those pointless pundits going on and on and on and on and on about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
The real solution is with the Broadcasters. Broadcasters should refuse to show sport that doesn't have technology to back up the decisons made by the officials. It would be introduced overnight. It would also put an end to those pointless pundits going on and on and on and on and on about it.


I agree about the pundits and listen to music instead of having volume up on tv
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