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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: R2MB closure: why? Reply with quote

It comes as NO SURPRISE to me that the R2MB has been closed down for the SECOND TIME in less than 5 years. The place was ridden with trolls. The moderation was a joke. The Host had NO CONTROL whatsoever.

Scott Nelson was her pet. In fact, I find it very strange that no action was taken against him. Why was he allowed back on there in the first place given his past behaviour? Furthermore, he was PERMANENTLY BANNED when Mick and Winston were the Hosts. At least they kept the place in order.

Scott Nelson was allowed to run amok, insult other forum members and the Radio 2 presenters. NO ACTION was taken; his postings (many of which contravened the House Rules) remained, yet innocent forum members had their postings deleted and their accounts set to pre-moderation.

Scott Nelson single handedly brought the R2MB to its knees whenever his presence was on there. History repeating itself again.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that all is not, and never has been, what it seems.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive, forum members were beginning to doubt Peta's actions on the R2MB. Why did she allow Scott back on there in the first place? Even his pathetic 'apologies' were meaningless. It doesn't take long for his mask to slip.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The important concern is that he was allowed to carry on in the manner to which he has been accustomed for not weeks or even months but years. Something has been going on at the Beeb that allowed this to continue. Was he (if "he" has ever existed) a plant by the BBC whose main purpose was to stoke up fierce debate and slag off broadcasting personnel so vehemently?

I just think it's a coincidence that many of those presenters who have been continually assaulted and insulted by the poster in question have ended up being marginalised or booted out altogether by the channel controller.

Another thing: I'm positive that SN actually jumped over the fence with his views of Chris Evans as soon as it was announced that he was taking over from Wogan. If my memory serves me right, he was never a fan of Evans at drivetime. I wonder what prompted this change of opinion? And isn't it odd that the R2MB mods seem to acting in favour of posters who were in favour of Evans and most definitely against those who weren't?

If all that is true, then it might indicate the extent to which Evans' appointment to breakfast absolutely had to work at all costs.

I'm not normally a person who subscribes to conspiracy theories, but there's a funny smell about all this - the distinct smell of a rat.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin (apologies for calling you Clive in my earlier posting!),

I completely agree with everything you have said. Scott Nelson's 'campaign' against certain Radio 2 presenters has succeeded. He complained about Ed Stewart, Don Maclean, Michael Parkinson, Sarah Kennedy, Your Hundred Best Tunes, Desmond Carrington, Russell Davies etc. Most have either been axed or marginalised.

I strongly believe Scott Nelson is somehow connected to the BBC. I also have suspicions he could be a journalist for the Daily Mail.

Scott always came to the defence of Chris Evans and Zoe Ball. Why do I get the feeling he was nothing but a PR magnet for the par of them?

It would not surprise me if Scott's 'prediction' about Zoe Ball being groomed to replace Ken Bruce has an element of truth in it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:

Another thing: I'm positive that SN actually jumped over the fence with his views of Chris Evans as soon as it was announced that he was taking over from Wogan. If my memory serves me right, he was never a fan of Evans at drivetime. I wonder what prompted this change of opinion?

Also of Stuart Maconie. When he first appeared on the R2 boards, in his opinion, Stuart was regarded as the lowest form of life on earth. In recent times I understand that he has been singing his praises. The troll changes his opinion as often as the weather changes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Singing Kettle wrote:
I strongly believe Scott Nelson is somehow connected to the BBC. I also have suspicions he could be a journalist for the Daily Mail.


How odd. I was talking to a proper journalist friend of mine only yesterday who suggested exactly the same thing! It would explain BBC Online's knee-jerk reaction by shutting the Messageboards down in the way they have.

Anyway, here's a post he managed to squeeze in just as the 10.00pm curfew was imposed as usual tonight:

The R2MB Insider wrote:
I note from postings on here, and over on Digital Spy and R2OK that I am being blamed for the (second) closure of this messageboard, just like I was blamed for its first closure in December 2006!

I like the way I get blamed for everything, just because I'm an outspoken Radio 2 critic!


Yeah, right.

Doh! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find quite interesting is that since the imminent demise of the R2 board was announced, Mr. Nelson has been absent from proceedings barring two vague posts he did put up, yet has clearly been reading as he's made mention in one of those posts he is being talked about on Digital Spy, here and on another board I cannot remember at present.

Could it be a case of job well done so sit back and watch the carnage? I still smell that rat.

I find that behaviour eerie in the extreme. I also don't trust that he isn't just reading. I'd be careful as clearly this guy can switch personality which appears to include praising people he formerly campaigned against in previous guises/usernames. It's all part of the game.

And in my opinion, he's no journalist. I know a few, and he's nothing more than an anarchist seeking attention, although I will concede he's clearly linked somehow to the BBC/Radio2/moderators, or suchlike. That I think seems to be obvious, sadly.

IP jumping can be manipulated. Be careful as you never quite know who's Big Brother is watching you, or who's Scott Nelson as the case is here.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
And in my opinion, he's no journalist.


That's true - but then again The Mail doesn't employ Journalists, either!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is true Colin, this is true!!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ColinB"]
The R2MB Insider wrote:
I'm an outspoken Radio 2 critic
Well i got my reply in just as the board closed but as im in pre mod it hasnt shown yet, i have corrected his spelling of the word cretin, he typed it in wrong:wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as they have both had tenure on here is strop nelson also iain smith? they both appear on smeggys forum where nelson defends sarah kennedy against smiths attacks Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi..

So glad I have found this site. That Nelson guy was hacking me off....he got away with sooooooo much. And he has tthe nerve to say 'outspoken critic'.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themanfromuncle wrote:
What I find quite interesting is that since the imminent demise of the R2 board was announced, Mr. Nelson has been absent from proceedings barring two vague posts he did put up, yet has clearly been reading as he's made mention in one of those posts he is being talked about on Digital Spy, here and on another board I cannot remember at present.

Could it be a case of job well done so sit back and watch the carnage? I still smell that rat.

I find that behaviour eerie in the extreme. I also don't trust that he isn't just reading. I'd be careful as clearly this guy can switch personality which appears to include praising people he formerly campaigned against in previous guises/usernames. It's all part of the game.

And in my opinion, he's no journalist. I know a few, and he's nothing more than an anarchist seeking attention, although I will concede he's clearly linked somehow to the BBC/Radio2/moderators, or suchlike. That I think seems to be obvious, sadly.

IP jumping can be manipulated. Be careful as you never quite know who's Big Brother is watching you, or who's Scott Nelson as the case is here.


It does seem strange that the Scott Nelson person has gone rather quiet. As you say, he's either sitting back and thinking "job well done", ie not bothering now due to the board closing down soon, or is still posting using one or more other personas.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I opened a thread up over there the other day saying the similar thing, but it was removed. Yes it was badly policed and the named person should have had a life time ban. I was amazed know one at the BBC sued him because of his abuse and actions. I think he will find it hard to express his feelings on Digital Spy who have also banned him and of course on here, unless he does on Facebook. I wouldn't say he was single handed in the closure, as the BBC do want to cut back on webpages.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
I wouldn't say he was single handed in the closure, as the BBC do want to cut back on webpages.


I think it's fair to assume that a certain Mr. Nelson didn't provide the sole rationale for the closure of the BBC Online Messageboards, Mark!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
I wouldn't say he was single handed in the closure, as the BBC do want to cut back on webpages.


I think it's fair to assume that a certain Mr. Nelson didn't provide the sole rationale for the closure of the BBC Online Messageboards, Mark!


Although he did contribute to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Although he did contribute to it.


But did he? Whilst many of us users were angered at his rude and insulting contributions it seems that the board admins didn't find his style so objectionable, otherwise his posts would never have remained and he would have been restricted from posting.

If he was a major cause for the demise of the boards, then so - by default - was the admin team.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

davem wrote:
Seeing as they have both had tenure on here is strop nelson also iain smith? they both appear on smeggys forum where nelson defends sarah kennedy against smiths attacks Very Happy

Many years ago, I did think they were the same person but I no longer do. Simply because I've come across Smith elsewhere and he has a distinctive style (bad spelling and an obsession with death) that would be hard to replicate so well.

Either way - they're both banned from here!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If he was a major cause for the demise of the boards, then so - by default - was the admin team.


Now there's a theory!

It was always interesting (and frustrating) to me that Mr Nelson was permitted amazing leeway, whilst we lesser mortals (who did not fawn sycophantically over Chris Evans, Steve Wright and Zoe Ball) had far less contentious posts removed.

I note from this thread that DaveM has corrected SN's spelling of 'cretin' on the BBC R2 boards; that's rich, given that I have this morning been moderated on the TV Boards for asking 'how much do they pay these idiots?', having read a quite appalling BBC blog! This was hardly in the same league as insulting another poster, or making a libellous statement!

I had intended to keep posting on the TV boards, because I have enjoyed the banter and the cut-and-thrust, but I could be getting just a little bit paranoid ...

It does seem to me that the Moderating Team have 'favourite' and 'undesirable' classifications; the former can do no wrong, and the latter will, eventually, leave of their own accord (!).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, meant that it was rich that SN is allowed the use of the word 'cretin', not that davem had corrected its spelling!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
. I wouldn't say he was single handed in the closure, ....


But it could be seen that he was left to provide the ammunition for their gun and to say the board took too much managing Rolling Eyes

I found it interesing how he quite often seemed to know what was going to happen and a lot of the people he disliked eventually went and who he liked joined Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dalmatina wrote:
Sorry, meant that it was rich that SN is allowed the use of the word 'cretin', not that davem had corrected its spelling!

I need an edit button! Confused
There is an edit button,Dalmatina, on the top right hand corner of your page next to the quote button.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Becky! Embarassed

I'm still coming to terms with the sophistication of this board, having contributed only to the BBC one ...!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome,Dalmatina... ..sophisticated eh? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nod wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
. I wouldn't say he was single handed in the closure, ....


But it could be seen that he was left to provide the ammunition for their gun and to say the board took too much managing Rolling Eyes

I found it interesing how he quite often seemed to know what was going to happen and a lot of the people he disliked eventually went and who he liked joined Rolling Eyes


I know what you mean. He didn't have anything too do with Radio 2. A critic towards radio 2 should choose there words carefully, but Scott didn't which made him look very bad on there. I wouldn't like to say what people at Radio 2 thought of him, but i guess some did look at the MB, and were horrified what they read. One thing it goes too show the BBC message board team were very weak - or any other department upwards to let this carry on. It was sometimes very abusive and hurtful - whether the moderators removed the threads or kept them to be seen to the World.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
I know what you mean. He didn't have anything too do with Radio 2.


How on earth can you come to that conclusion?

mark occomore wrote:
A critic towards radio 2 should choose there words carefully, but Scott didn't which made him look very bad on there. I wouldn't like to say what people at Radio 2 thought of him, but i guess some did look at the MB, and were horrified what they read. One thing it goes too show the BBC message board team were very weak - or any other department upwards to let this carry on. It was sometimes very abusive and hurtful - whether the moderators removed the threads or kept them to be seen to the World.


I think you're kind of missing the point of the discussions that have being going on in the last 24 hours, Mark.............
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in pre-mod on the R2MB and have been for a while now.

The reason why I am in pre-mod? Because I dared to challenge Scott Nelson! How silly of me! However, I notice that he (Peta's pet) isn't in pre-mod (his postings appear on the messageboard without delay which tells me that he's not in pre-mod.

I asked Peta twice today why I am still in pre-mod and why Scott Nelson isn't.

Guess what? My postings were deleted for breaking the forum guidelines!

The irony of it all is a complete joke!

I then received a snotty e-mail from the BBC Forum Moderation Team (I assume Peta sent it) telling me that issues about the R2MB Host and the way the MB is moderated are against the house rules!

Again, no such action is taken against Scott Nelson.

You're all correct in saying how quiet he's been since the announcement of the MB's closure. I guess the only good thing out of this is we will (hopefully) never have to encounter Scott Nelson again.

I understand he has a Facebook page? I won't register on there because of him. Sorry, but I cannot associate with a person who is so full of ageist, onboxious, insulting and ignorant remarks. Disagree with Scott and he will insult and ridicule you; defend yourself against him and you're in the wrong.

It is a mystery how many of Scott's 'wishes' have come true. If he isn't a journalist working for the Daily Mail then I guess he is somehow conntect with Radio 2. He existed when Jim Moir was the controller, though his attacks against Radio 2 became more personal when Lesley Douglas took over. Though, they've got worse since Bob Shennan replaced Douglas.

There is a reason why Peta defended Scott so much and also why he has been allowed to run amok on the BBC MBs for the past 6 or 7 years.

Why does the BBC protect him so much?

I want answers, but it's no use asking Peta or the BBC MB Team because they won't answer or address issues raised about Scott. I've even contacted the BBC several times in the past and NEVER had the decency of an acknowledgement, let alone a reply. It stinks, and something just isn't right.

How can one person be allowed to cause so much trouble on a BBC MB for so long and get away with it? As for Scott defending Sarah Kennedy elsewhere, this just proves how untrustworthy the guy is!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd hope Peta is reading the responses in this topic. Perhaps she will do the decent thing and explain herself?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is all speculation and I really don't want attention continually being drawn to Scott.

He has been repeatedly banned from here, and in our last exchanages many months ago I did say that I would avoid any disrespectful comments being made about him on here. I don't think anything disrespectful HAS been said on this thread but such speculation could go on forever, and as I say, the less attention the better.

I'm altering the title of this thread and then I will close this thread sometime on Friday, maybe the same time as R2MB closes Smile

so, just enough time for the speculation to be got out of your systems Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Singing Kettle wrote:
I understand he has a Facebook page? I won't register on there because of him. Sorry, but I cannot associate with a person who is so full of ageist, onboxious, insulting and ignorant remarks. Disagree with Scott and he will insult and ridicule you; defend yourself against him and you're in the wrong.


Just because he's signed up to Facebook doesn't mean that you have to have any contact with him. I've had a Facebook profile for over a year but had no idea that he's also a member until recently - I can only communicate with others who are tagged as my "friends" or "friends of friends". Evan if another person was a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend I wouldn't know about it and wouldn't necessarily see any of his posts. It's down to each user who he/she links up with.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
This thread is all speculation and I really don't want attention continually being drawn to Scott.

He has been repeatedly banned from here, and in our last exchanages many months ago I did say that I would avoid any disrespectful comments being made about him on here. I don't think anything disrespectful HAS been said on this thread but such speculation could go on forever, and as I say, the less attention the better.

I'm altering the title of this thread and then I will close this thread sometime on Friday, maybe the same time as R2MB closes Smile

so, just enough time for the speculation to be got out of your systems Wink


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I think that's a great shout. We can then get on with keeping this place the place to come visit, which after 24 hours only of being here, I can say without a doubt.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin, if Scott is a memeber of the R2 group on Facebook, who is moderating the group? I may consider joining Facebook at some point, though I do think it's ironic we (i.e. the licence payers) have to use Facebook, Twitter and sites like this!

I won't join the R2 group if Scott and co are present on here. Facebook has serious security flaws. The site is always being reported in the news for it.At least on the BBC MBs there is less chance of someone obtaining our personal info.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let any individual on a message board affect your lifestyle choices, FB for instance. I've butted horns with the aforementioned person many times, but it has never affected me at all, especially not in the choices I make in life and certainly not when I log the internet off.

Life is worth more than stress over some manic individual on the interwebby thing. It's all good my friend Wink
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The Singing Kettle wrote:
Colin, if Scott is a memeber of the R2 group on Facebook, who is moderating the group?


The individual, or individuals, who moderate a Facebook Group are those who set it up in the first place. Any FB member can do that. However, you won't have any contact with it unless you actively go searching for it (or for a member, for that matter). In that respect, it's not really any different to the web as a whole is it?

The Singing Kettle wrote:
I won't join the R2 group if Scott and co are present on here. Facebook has serious security flaws. The site is always being reported in the news for it.At least on the BBC MBs there is less chance of someone obtaining our personal info.


There's no chance of you and he just bumping into each other and ending up having a scrap online.

There's the potential for security breaches anywhere online. I manage a few websites - both for work and pleasure - and it's a constant battle keeping one step ahead of those who seek to destroy anything and everything they come into contact with. Facebook is big - half a billion users and growing - and therefore it's a big target but as long as you follow commonsense guidlelines you won't come to harm.

I know there's an "official" Radio 2 group somewhere on Facebook (along with lots of unofficial ones too) but I've never ever seen it so I have no idea who posts what on it. I can't say I'm that interested either, so I just stick to my own bit of Facebook.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has been repeatedly banned from here,


Oh I am glad....I was just wondering if he had sneaked in
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before this thread closes I just have to say he who is banned has just posted, on the BBC messageboard a link to another forum ...not this one ...and said.."See you on there" <thumbsupsmiley>

I have to say it gave me a good laugh ......and left me speechless.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
This thread is all speculation and I really don't want attention continually being drawn to Scott.

He has been repeatedly banned from here, and in our last exchanages many months ago I did say that I would avoid any disrespectful comments being made about him on here. I don't think anything disrespectful HAS been said on this thread but such speculation could go on forever, and as I say, the less attention the better.

I'm altering the title of this thread and then I will close this thread sometime on Friday, maybe the same time as R2MB closes Smile

so, just enough time for the speculation to be got out of your systems Wink


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That sounds very sensible. Even though I've contributed to this thread, a part of me is thinking that perhaps this thread is giving the persona of 'Scott Nelson' exactly the attention that he desires.

John, you could of course say that his name is never to be mentioned on this board again, although I think that would smack of going too far (kind of elevating his status by becoming 'He Who Must Not Be Named').

I'm sure he'll crop up in conversations from time to time, but overall he is best ignored. Let him get his jollies elsewhere (maybe even one day he'll grow up and gain a little wisdom).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

becky sharp wrote:
posted, on the BBC messageboard a link to another forum ...not this one ...and said.."See you on there"


and R2ok is heavily moderated! Eh? I'm only 12 stone. Smile
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John W wrote:
becky sharp wrote:
posted, on the BBC messageboard a link to another forum ...not this one ...and said.."See you on there"


and R2ok is heavily moderated! Eh? I'm only 12 stone. Smile

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