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mark occomore
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ColinB
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What a load of nonsense! You must spend many hours trawling the web for this stuff, Mark!
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Toggy
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| Yes why don't we just lock ourselves in and refuse to come out until the nasty men have gone away, pathetic. |
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ColinB
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I also think there's a difference between "be vigilant" and "avoid public places". Does the latter mean they really should live like bats? |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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isn't everywhere a public place? 
I don't take much notice of this kind of thing but then again I live in nowhere's ville.. not much threat of ol'Bin bag blowing up a hay stack I wouldn't have thought..
If I lived in a big city I'd be a bit more wary of it all.
Bastard terrorists... why can't they just hate daytime Radio 2 like normal people?
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Schizoidman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Americans have always been unnecessarily paranoid about terrorism anyway, certainly since 9/11 which was their first proper experience of it in the US.
They see Europe as one big homogeonised block. |
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ColinB
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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During a conversation with a New York restaurant owner a few years ago I was asked if England was anywhere near London.
Yes, this is a non-story! Very silly. |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose if any English tourists sit next to an american on a bus in London, and that is blown up ( heaven forbid) the US will get blamed for the mistake?  It's not just US at war - britan are stuck in the mess too. So we all should roll ourselves up in cotton wool and panic. No, we all should be vigilant. |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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That's the spirit.. stuff 'em.
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ColinB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | I suppose if any English tourists sit next to an american on a bus in London, and that is blown up ( heaven forbid) the US will get blamed for the mistake? It's not just US at war - britan are stuck in the mess too. So we all should roll ourselves up in cotton wool and panic. No, we all should be vigilant. |
What are we looking for, Mark? Is this a modern-day equivalent of "Careless Talk Costs Lives" or something more sinister? Should we tell the yanks to cross the road whenever we see some rubbish sacks at the side of the road awaiting collection? What if there are sacks on the other side as well?
I don't want to cause a panic here but..... this could lead to problems. We have a right to know!  |
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Toggy
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I've lost count of how many of these warnings have we had now and they are very tiresome.
Given that there is sod all we can do about it I fail to see the point of these 'warnings' It's time some people grew a backbone. |
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ColinB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Toggy wrote: | I've lost count of how many of these warnings have we had now and they are very tiresome.
Given that there is sod all we can do about it I fail to see the point of these 'warnings' It's time some people grew a backbone. |
I think such "warnings" come from within those government agencies (on both sides of the Atlantic) that have a vested interest in ensuring that their budgets are not cut.
Is it not a coincidence that there's much discussion about cuts in defence spending right now - and isn't it funny that the major "spending review" is made public later this month?
I think there's a distinct whiff of rats! |
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SantaFefan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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and maybe the US wants it's citizens to spend their vacation $$ at home..
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mark occomore
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| High terror alert for britons travelling aboard - IE France and Germany. The Foreign secretary continues to say be vigilant. Blimey I can see train, airports, bus stations and shopping mails been shut if people spot a bag. I remember this happened a lot back in the 90's when I worked at Gatwick. Most were false alarms, and stupid people walking off leaving there bag unattended. |
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ruddlescat
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With our compensation culture the authorities are probably worried that if they don't issue these warnings and an attack happens lots of people might try to sue them
After all they can't afford to pay the insurance premiums being rather hard up! |
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mark occomore
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Toggy
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My sister once accidentally left a bag of books on the tube causing a security alert, nowadays she would probably be charged under the prevention of terrorism act.
She is far from stupid and had a lot on her mind at the time, in common I'm sure with many other people. I surmise this is easily done given that 'security alerts' of this nature seem to happen rather frequently. |
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Toggy
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| mark occomore wrote: | | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11462595 |
Not only do some people need to grow a backbone but a pair of nadgers as well it seems.
The powers that be must think we are all thick |
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Clive55
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I think it only rersponsible for governments to warn their citizens of increased levels of threat.
the Terrorist threat isn't something dreamed up by governments. It is all too real. I know people whose friends have been killed & maimed in terror attacks in Israel.
I chat with someone oln the net whose best friend was killed in 9/11. The victimes of 9/11, Mumbai, 7/7 and other terror attacks are all too real.
The reason there have not been even more is due to the excelent work of the specialist anti terror forces & the incredible inteligence co operation across borders.
Keeping those nutters in battle in Afghanistan rather than bein g free to train there & then bring terror to ourstreets also helps.
You may not like the war in Afghanistan. But you'd like busses & tubes in our cities blowing up much less
Israel got alot of flack for building the security wall. But it has been hugely effective in saving lives- no more babies & old people killed in Pizza parlours & busses in Israel which used to be an every day occurance.
It is necessary for governments to take decisive action to stop terrorism. Most of what is done on a daily basis we can not know |
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ColinB
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I woul still like to know what the authorities mean when they advise us to "be vigilant". Does it mean we have to eye up everyone with suspicion as we travel on the tube (when it's working) or walk through a crowded tourist spot? Should we report every solitary black rubbish sack that has been deposited beside the roadway? If it doesn't mean that, then waht exactly does it mean - and how can we all be more "vigilant" in a practical sense?
I still think this so-called "warning" has been made as much for political gains as it for the purposes of civil protection. |
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undiscovered
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Clive55 wrote: | Israel got alot of sod for building the security wall. But it has been hugely effective in saving lives- no more babies & old people killed in Pizza parlours & busses in Israel which used to be an every day occurance.
It is necessary for governments to take decisive action to stop terrorism. Most of what is done on a daily basis we can not know |
Yes it allowed them to segregate rather than communicate, it made the hatred for the state by the Palestinians more universal rather than by extremists. I believe in Europe we call the Ghetto's
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Clive55
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | I woul still like to know what the authorities mean when they advise us to "be vigilant". Does it mean we have to eye up everyone with suspicion as we travel on the tube (when it's working) or walk through a crowded tourist spot? Should we report every solitary black rubbish sack that has been deposited beside the roadway? If it doesn't mean that, then waht exactly does it mean - and how can we all be more "vigilant" in a practical sense?
I still think this so-called "warning" has been made as much for political gains as it for the purposes of civil protection. |
I agree that calling on the public to be "vigilant" is quite meaningless. What are we supposed to do? Stare down anyone with suspiciously large carrier bags??
They always issue these vague exhortations to the public, but no one has ever answered sadisfactorally the question- what does being "vigilant2 in this case mean?? |
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Clive55
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| undiscovered wrote: | | Clive55 wrote: | Israel got alot of sod for building the security wall. But it has been hugely effective in saving lives- no more babies & old people killed in Pizza parlours & busses in Israel which used to be an every day occurance.
It is necessary for governments to take decisive action to stop terrorism. Most of what is done on a daily basis we can not know |
Yes it allowed them to segregate rather than communicate, it made the hatred for the state by the Palestinians more universal rather than by extremists. I believe in Europe we call the Ghetto's |
I don't agree. It is just an enforced border. And it has saved lives.
I think most Palestinians are glad of the wall because it has stopped terrorists blowing up Israeli civillians which in turns has meant that there have been no retaliatory raids by Israel into the PA west banl for some years. (Gaza is another matter). |
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undiscovered
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Clive55 wrote: | I don't agree. It is just an enforced border. And it has saved lives.
I think most Palestinians are glad of the wall because it has stopped terrorists blowing up Israeli civillians which in turns has meant that there have been no retaliatory raids by Israel into the PA west banl for some years. (Gaza is another matter). |
Apart from annexing into Palestinian land under the guise of security, it just goes to show that long term the Israeli state cares more for its hard line by building this and restricting palestinians movement, than it does for peace talks.
Gaza I agree is a different problem, but not allowing food in isn't helping
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