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Is Ireland "A Friend In Need"?

 
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Clive55



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Is Ireland "A Friend In Need"? Reply with quote

Chancellor George Osbourne has said it was right for Britain to Bail out Ireland because ireland is a "Friend In Need"
Is Ireland a "Friend" of britain?
Ireland sided with Nazi Germany in WWII
In the 1970's Irish were letting off bombs in Britains' cities
Today on the BBC World Service Irish citizens were being interviewed about Germany bailing Ireland out
One of the Irish guys stated: "Germany has SHOWN GREAT LEADERSHIP OF EUROPE THROUGHOUT HISTORY"
Wow, really? So Germany occupying Europe & exterminating races & creeds it did not like was GREAT LEADERSHIP?
VERY FEW Germans think so
But it seems IRELAND does
Great friends of ours?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My knowledge of history is limited Confused and I wouldn't normally comment on things like this but I don't think it's taken as fact the Irish sided with Germany during WW2 is it? I believe rumour has it German U Boats were refuelled there but is it true?
I would think if Ireland had sided with Hitler we'd have been stuffed.

Also, were the bombers in the 70s from Ireland? or Northern Ireland... but I accept it's true they were allowed to hide over the border.

But it's all down to pound notes isn't it... if the figures stack up re trade and our Bank's interest in that country I suppose it makes sense.. annoying but true?

Friends of ours? No.. who is?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got rather annoyed when I was listening to Jeremy Vine today on this subject and some bloke phoned in saying that he was Irish but had lived in Britain for more than fifty years and he then said that the bail out was justified on the grounds of all the bad things Britain had allegedly done to Ireland over the last two hundred years

My first thought was if this guy has those views why the hell has he remained living in our country for more than half a century in a place he allegedly hates

I wouldn't be surprised if he'd come here to sponge on our health service and social security system just like a lot of foreigners who regard Britain as a soft touch but he should have the decency to keep a low profile

Ireland is still a backward country in the clutches of the Roman Catholic church and I for one don't want anything to do with the place and if this bailout goes ahead even though I am a lifelong Conservative voter I'll be voting UKIP next time round
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we're charging Ireland a 5% interest rate we could make a nice little profit!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ireland's woes prove Gordon Brown was right at least about one thing- his opposition to Britain joining the Euro
Ireland joining the Euro was good for them in the short term but in the medium to long term has proved disasterous.

Also I think Osbournes' stance that all Britains' economic woes are due to the Labour govt while the Irish govt bears no responsebility for Irelands current (much worse) economic woes.
He needds to maintain this position as the economic path Britain is taking under the ConDems is similar to that taken by Ireland's govt. Also Ireland's odd coalition govt bears a resemblance to our own. And now the Junior Party in Irelands coalition govt is demanding fresh elections.
I think of one thing we can be confident- the Lib dem's will NOT be seeking any fresh elections! Given their current ratings in the polls, the Lib dems have gone off the whole idea of Democracy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
Also I think Osbournes' stance that all Britains' economic woes are due to the Labour govt while the Irish govt bears no responsebility for Irelands current (much worse) economic woes.


Osbourne is merely reading the ConDem script. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about, to be honest. It's quite worrying, really. He's Chancellor of The Exchequer, yet I wonder how long he'd last as Finance Director of a large multi-national company..... or how long the company would last, for that matter.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Clive55 wrote:
Also I think Osbournes' stance that all Britains' economic woes are due to the Labour govt while the Irish govt bears no responsebility for Irelands current (much worse) economic woes.


Osbourne is merely reading the ConDem script. I don't think he really knows what he's talking about, to be honest. It's quite worrying, really. He's Chancellor of The Exchequer, yet I wonder how long he'd last as Finance Director of a large multi-national company..... or how long the company would last, for that matter.

Yes, Osbourne is quite inept.
I was surprised that Cameron, who is a very bright chap, kept him in place as shaddow chancellor in spite of all his mess ups.
I know they were Eton chums together, but putting this chump in as Chancellor was hardly a good move...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tories said " Labour put us into debt and they caused up roar about that" Now they are bailing out Ireland. Where is the money coming from with cuts been announced.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schiz I hear what you're saying about profiting on the interest rate but that will only have any chance of happening if we actually get the money back and where is the guarantee

After all if a friend came to you and told you his income was 400 per week and his outgoings were 800 per week would you lend him your own money and would you think there was much chance of getting it back?
I doubt it unless you were keen on playing Father Christmas Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some quite important reasons that we should bail out ireland not least because all our public owned banks lent to the Irish ones.

I just wish that gideon would say that, yes the deficit was created by Labour but they would have done the same to bail out our banks.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The deficit was largely prompted by an international finance crisis (created by gready speculators in all the main markets, of course) and any party in power in the UK and Ireland would have reacted in the same manner as did Darling / Brown & co. (and to think that the Tories wanted less regulation of banks rather than more. They've changed their tune now!).

Ireland is a special problem because its economy is inextricably linked with the UK's and to let it collapse would have dire implications for our own already fragile financial system. Lending it 6 billion quid is probably the cheaper option for us by far.
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